Interest builds around possible changes to NASCAR schedule

Most people don't have a clue how much money the tracks are making, they look at the seats and that is about as far as their knowledge goes. Sure not every track can charge this much for motor home parking, but at many tracks the seats removed were replaced with motor home parking or leisure areas. That is for two adults, 320 bucks more for anybody else.
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Has a Cup car ever run laps at Circuit of The Americas? I'm currently watching the IndyCar test from there live on Youtube....
 
You've still lost me.

Other All-Star games feature players from different teams who don't normally play together or against each other. I'm with you as far as too many teams in March Madness, but the rounds after the first weekend are still teams who mostly haven't met each other that season. Most of the excitement comes from seeing people compete with and against teams they don't normally face, to see how they work with and measure up against each other.

NASCAR's All-Star race? It's the same guys in the same cars I watched race each other at Richmond the week before, and will watch in the 600 on the same track a week later. I don't get how the eligibility rules are going to make that any more interesting. Is a 12-car field inherently more entertaining than an 18-car one, or a 40-car one? Either way, it's still Kez vs. Kyle vs. Kevin vs. Kurt vs. ... It's not like Lewis Hamilton or Scott Dixon or Ashley Force are going to be entered.

Well, maybe I'm different, but I've never watched an all-star game to see people from different teams play together or necessarily against each other. I watch to see the best of the best perform heads up. The idea of the All Star race was so the best of the best could go toe to toe without worrying abut points, just let it hang out. I think opening the race to so many and making it as long as it is takes away a lot of the exclusivity and makes it seem like just another race.
 
NASCAR ponders shorter races: 100-meter dash or marathon, what’s more popular?
sounds a lot like what Kez said, races run in a shorter calendar time span


Hamlin, a former member of the NASCAR Drivers Council who has the ear of many executives, said even if races aren’t compacted, he’s fairly certain the season will end earlier than the Sunday before Thanksgiving.
“I think that certainly it could be shorter,” the Joe Gibbs Racing driver said. “I don’t know that it’s shorter as in races, but the length in time in the calendar year, it could be shortened up for sure. It’s not as easy making those changes as what we would all like for it to be because of all the stakeholders and what not. I think in the next few years, you’ll probably see some of that.

https://nascar.nbcsports.com/2019/0...00-meter-dash-or-marathon-whats-more-popular/
 
Anyone hear this on SiriusXM or anywhere else prior to this?? A points-paying race on the Daytona road course before the 500? The circuit would already be set up from the Rolex in late January...

NASCAR president Steve Phelps shed more light on it during a SiriusXM interview Wednesday morning, suggesting the ’21 schedule will have more impact as far as new tracks, but next year will bring some significant changes (namely, that the Daytona 500 might not open the season, which is probably why the proposed elimination of the Clash is being floated more publicly).
https://nascar.nbcsports.com/2019/0...cil-and-dirt-racing-on-daytona-500-media-day/
 
Anyone hear this on SiriusXM or anywhere else prior to this?? A points-paying race on the Daytona road course before the 500? The circuit would already be set up from the Rolex in late January...


https://nascar.nbcsports.com/2019/0...cil-and-dirt-racing-on-daytona-500-media-day/

same article. Truex :) The Rodney Dangerfield of Nascar.
Could he have done anything differently to win? Truex says yes. “I would have just ran into Denny and pushed him up the track. Do what everybody does to me!”
 
I'm in favor of anything that uses the Daytona road course instead of the oval. I'm in favor of anything that replaces an exhibition race with a points race. While I'd like an endurance race, I'd be happy with a distance that would run in three or three and a half hours; say, 350 miles or so?
 
28 races is indeed the amount sources "most often hear mentioned" in regards to a shorter 2021 schedule...

NASCAR floating idea of shorter schedule in 2021
https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com...2/18/Leagues-and-Governing-Bodies/NASCAR.aspx
NASCAR has been soliciting opinions from industry stakeholders on whether they would like to see a reduced schedule starting in 2021, sources say, the clearest sign yet that a shortening of the season is under serious consideration.

The five-year sanctioning agreements that NASCAR signed with tracks in 2016 go through 2020, so its top-flight Monster Energy Series couldn’t drastically alter its schedule until 2021. The series is looking at making changes with its current tracks for the 2020 schedule, but those will be less dramatic, such as changing the order of the schedule or maybe having one or two tracks run their road course figurations. But the 2020 campaign will feature 36 points races as usual.

However, after 2020, NASCAR could completely remake its schedule if media rights partners and other key stakeholders buy in. And while NASCAR President Steve Phelps has said several times that all options are on the table, private outreach by NASCAR to stakeholders over a possible schedule reduction shows a new layer of intent.

Phelps said the sport is considering several options and not just the possibility of shortening the season. For example, NASCAR could choose to keep the same number of races but hold them during a shorter amount of time. He said NASCAR is getting input from broadcast partners, teams, drivers, tracks, equipment manufacturers and others.

Sources said 28 is the possible new amount of races they most often hear mentioned, which would be eight fewer than the existing schedule. However, Phelps disputed that figure, saying, “There is no number that’s out there.”

NASCAR could start holding midweek races, and that would allow the sanctioning body to keep the same amount of races yet avoid having its schedule finish in mid-November and competing with the NFL and college football. That option could end up being more alluring to both teams and broadcasters, because a reduction in the number of races would mean less content for broadcasters and potentially less money for the NASCAR industry. Fox Sports and NBC Sports are in the middle of 10-year deals with NASCAR that combined are worth $820 million annually, but that figure likely would be renegotiated if NASCAR reduced the number of races it runs.

“We have heard from fans that they want more short tracks and road courses,” Phelps said. “Is that something we’re taking into consideration? Absolutely. Are we taking into consideration doubleheaders, whatever that means? Yes, it’s something we’re considering. Could you consider a midweek race? Yes, it’s something we’re considering. Those are truly all the things we’re looking at, but how that works is the tricky part.”
 
Sources? said blah blah and then in the same article, NASCAR could start holding midweek races, and that would allow the sanctioning body to keep the same amount of races. Always a good idea to always remember that writers write. Nothing but going around in circles to make a deadline. Nobody knows what the hell they are going to do until they do it.
 
I don't see how they can reduce the schedule to 28 races AND keep the current 10-race Chase. I wouldn't want to see the total number of races drop below 30, but if 28 would kill the Chase then I think I could live with the trade off. On the other hand, if it just results in a reduced Chase (say, 7 races), then never mind.
 
Thank you for posting @FLRacingFan, interesting article. I believe Stern's reporting. No, he isn't making stuff up. His recent articles indicate that he has access to more influential sources in the sport than previously.

To me, the talk of cutting eight dates off the schedule sounds like the high-end possibility. I agree with those who have said 32 feels more likely. I wouldn't be surprised if the lower number were being floated so that a smaller reduction seems like a relief to the core fanbase.
 
yep anybody can pretty much say anything because nothing has been said "sources" . Same guy leading the charge saying Nascar was for sale. ;)
 
I hate it, I personally don't want fewer races.
Jack Roush (how's that for sources) said that there might be shorter races but not fewer ones. Penske said in the same meeting that there might be a shorter season with some short tracks during the week :idunno: all kinds of things flying around by the big dogs. I think they all have their ideas, but nothing is settled yet. A small team owner I can't remember his name said he is all for standardized parts that they were discussing as a big cost cutter, helps the underfunded get better with what they have to work with.
 
yep anybody can pretty much say anything because nothing has been said "sources" . Same guy leading the charge saying Nascar was for sale. ;)
FWIW, he said as recently as last week that the France family is still looking at selling a stake in NASCAR - just a minority one. Reuters were also on the story last year. I don't see any reason to believe he's making stuff up as he seems to be more in tune with the business workings of NASCAR than anyone else (Pockrass is another good business reporter but it's not his signature).

I think what @gnomesayin said about finding a middle ground around 32 races makes sense. The parties Stern mentioned seem to have discussed a reduced schedule enough already that it seems certain some sort of condensing will take place, but a final number will remain in flux as more input is received.
 
oh ok, now he is saying just a little bit is being sold...got it. More "sources" probably. Tell ya what, in these days and times, If I read a direct quote from Phelps, O'Donnell, or from Jim (he ain't sayin) France I consider them reliable sources. These others have been proven wrong too many times to be believable to me anyway. That article is all over the place, and some it appears are picking out the parts they choose to believe. I don't believe none of it until the ones above say what it is going to be.
 
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oh ok, now he is saying just a little bit is being sold...got it. More "sources" probably.
I don't think NASCAR retaining Goldman Sachs to assist in a potential sale last year was made up, nor was the report that Comcast and Geely were interested. I'm sure Comcast's acquisition of a stake in Sky since then has been a factor in the proceedings.
 
Goldman Sachs does more than potential sales, and I don't believe either they or the France family said what they were doing. They could have been adjusting Brian's shorts for all I know
 
Penke did say they were looking at more short tracks and road courses. I worry a bit about that although I think it is a good idea. But in these days of social media there are a bunch of idiots running around that take some of this way too serious, One almost got Hamlin and another almost got KDB already.
 
Wow...lots going on (with individual posts) that is too complex to reply to individually.

I'm all for a points-paying race on the Daytona road course but not as the season opener to replace The Clash. Either keep the 500 as-is or move it to the season finale if the road course will be the first race of the season. Better yet, move the road course to the season finale because not only will it draw-in casual racing fans who are typically opposed to oval racing, but it would also make for the best case scenario finale where all forms of driving style are necessary to be competitive.

I'm not at all a fan of shorter races but a condensed 28-race schedule wouldn't be a bad thing if all races were 500+ miles. I think 30 races would be ideal with a couple short 250-300 mile weekday races added, ALONG WITH a couple weekend "endurance" races.

Hopefully with a condensed schedule comes a new points format. The old-school fan in me wants no playoffs but I realize that is unlikely. 30 races (5 short weekday & 3 weekend endurance races) with a playoff encompassing the final 5 races with the top 10 drivers after race 25. After race 27, the top 5 compete for the final 3 races...short track (Martinsville), intermediate (Darlington), and road course (Daytona). Daytona road course finale in an "endurance" race under the lights in prime time would be epic.
 
It’s going to be a wild ride the next year and a half hearing the different schedule rumors. I’m actually more excited for these rumors than potential Silly Season 2019 and 2020 rumors. Things track wise are going to look incredibly different when the green flag drops in 2021 wherever that may be. Saddle up.
 
I don't see how they can reduce the schedule to 28 races AND keep the current 10-race Chase. I wouldn't want to see the total number of races drop below 30, but if 28 would kill the Chase then I think I could live with the trade off. On the other hand, if it just results in a reduced Chase (say, 7 races), then never mind.
7 races with 12 drivers would be most likely I’d think. 16 drivers in the playoff is too many anyway IMO.
 
Nate Ryan's article above noted the Clash could be gone next year in favor of a points race before the 500, but Adam Stern says it's safe until 2021. Still, more fuel to the fire that the Daytona 500 could no longer be the season opener in the near future.

 
I'd trade the playoffs for a full season points championship over a 28 race schedule. But I know not everyone would like that.

I'd support this, if the reduction involved removing duplicate 1.5s and other specific tracks (Michigan, Pocono, Texas, Vegas, Kansas, Phoenix, Dover, Richmond, Daytona, Talladega) choose 5 out those 10 to keep. Bristol and Martinsville keep 2 dates.

31 races total with no playoffs, keep the stages and current point system. Remove all-star race and the clash, move Daytona 500 up a week, shift everything up 2 slots, and you're able to end your season in September.

Otherwise I'm in favor of a full 36 race schedule, especially if they're willing to phase out duplicates and add in road courses or other unique tracks.

I don't care about feasibility, I'm looking at this purely from a fan pov of what I would want to see, wish list. Make it happen.
 
Nate Ryan's article above noted the Clash could be gone next year in favor of a points race before the 500, but Adam Stern says it's safe until 2021. Still, more fuel to the fire that the Daytona 500 could no longer be the season opener in the near future.



It's quite weird to me to be floating this now and then trot out the Clash again next year as a lame duck race. Do they think they're going to build some buzz around the final Clash ever?
 
It's quite weird to me to be floating this now and then trot out the Clash again next year as a lame duck race. Do they think they're going to build some buzz around the final Clash ever?
I always pay attention to who is paying the poster's salary. The guy is hiding behind "some exec's" this time. and yeah it would be bad business to be talking about that at this time, but he is..he has to make clicks happen.
 
No playoff. 30 races. 50 points to win, 39 for second and -1 on back. No lap leader bonuses. Keep the stages and the points awarded. If there must be a playoff, 5-8 drivers over the final 5 races. Most points wins.

I'm thinking 75 points for a win. A win should be valuable enough to erase a couple of bad finishes.
 
If they do end up keeping the playoffs and the championship is a one race playoff.....then jump all the way into the deep end of the pool. Move the July Daytona race to the last one of the year and award the championship in that race. Let’s make it total a casino royale.
 
I doubt there will be any contraction of the schedule until the current TV deal expires. I don’t think NASCAR wants to hand a huge chunk of money back to Fox and NBC.
 
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