Interesting….using the old points system.

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Assuming this is correct…..glad they are not using it! Also assume not stage points, just finishes. Stolen from a FB post:

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Formerjackman said:
Looks like one hell of a NATURAL points battle. That would be a fun one. Too bad we have to muck it up with gimmicks.
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Yet, the "gimmick" seems to have rewarded the "natural" points leader....just as the "natural" points leader would have been rewarded with the "gimmick." This anti-playoff argument is now silly.
 
Revman said:
Yet, the "gimmick" seems to have rewarded the "natural" points leader....just as the "natural" points leader would have been rewarded with the "gimmick." This anti-playoff argument is now silly.
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Lets see how the natural lines up with the gimmick after Phoenix.
 
I was going to 'Like' the opening post, then changed my mind. It's been twenty years and while I'd love it to return, I realized I'm over it. This is just 'What If-ing' and 'Might Have Beens' and pretending what's gone is still around. Might as well track who would be leading using the 2003 schedule while you're at it.
 
Revman said:
Yet, the "gimmick" seems to have rewarded the "natural" points leader....just as the "natural" points leader would have been rewarded with the "gimmick." This anti-playoff argument is now silly.
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I preferred the Latford system but that is just a personal preference. I could live with the way the chase was with only 10 eligible drivers though.
 
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Revman said:
Yet, the "gimmick" seems to have rewarded the "natural" points leader....just as the "natural" points leader would have been rewarded with the "gimmick." This anti-playoff argument is now silly.
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That's not the point. A battle that is organically close is 1000x more exciting than one that is artificially close. Again, "Game 7 moments" are special because they aren't forced.
 
Revman said:
Yet, the "gimmick" seems to have rewarded the "natural" points leader....just as the "natural" points leader would have been rewarded with the "gimmick." This anti-playoff argument is now silly.
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The gimmick has easily four drivers in contention that have NO BUSINESS being in contention, and it has Truex, who hasn't had a top 15 since August well within striking distance.
 
The Winston Cup format/Latford scale weren’t perfect - you can probably even point out a couple of obvious “flaws” direct from this table - and teams approach the season much differently now than they did then. But it’s really interesting to see that, with four races to go, the top five would be covered by the points difference between 1st and 10th in one race. This has been a competitive season towards the top.
 
2 Sweet said:
That's not the point. A battle that is organically close is 1000x more exciting than one that is artificially close. Again, "Game 7 moments" are special because they aren't forced.
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I wish I could like your post 1000 times. In my way of thinking manufactured game 7 moments do more harm than good.
 
Jorge De Guzman said:
"Game 7 Moments" lose their specialness when it is manufactured to happen every single season imo.
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I always wonder what NASCAR would do if 3 out of the 4 Championship Four drivers crashed out or had mechanical issues in the first stage. The last remaining driver could just drive the car to the garage in the second stage and watch the rest of the race from the hauler.
 
2 Sweet said:
That's not the point. A battle that is organically close is 1000x more exciting than one that is artificially close. Again, "Game 7 moments" are special because they aren't forced.
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I've seen both systems and raced in them, I'll take the new one 24/7
 
The Nature Boy said:
I always wonder what NASCAR would do if 3 out of the 4 Championship Four drivers crashed out or had mechanical issues in the first stage. The last remaining driver could just drive the car to the garage in the second stage and watch the rest of the race from the hauler.
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Same thing could happen with the old system
 
The Nature Boy said:
I always wonder what NASCAR would do if 3 out of the 4 Championship Four drivers crashed out or had mechanical issues in the first stage. The last remaining driver could just drive the car to the garage in the second stage and watch the rest of the race from the hauler.
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The last man standing would continue racing to the checkered flag.

To think otherwise is foolishness.
 
I’ll always prefer the full season system over this one, it’ll always have my heart. Saying that I actually don’t totally hate the playoffs, but I do wish the last round was a “championship round” of 3 races instead of just the one at Phoenix.
 
Jorge De Guzman said:
I’ll always prefer the full season system over this one, it’ll always have my heart. Saying that I actually don’t totally hate the playoffs, but I do wish the last round was a “championship round” of 3 races instead of just the one at Phoenix.
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The way it’s slowly going, it’s gonna end up being a 3 race stretch of Talladega, Atlanta and Daytona to crown a champion.
 
I just posted this as I thought it was interesting, not because I favor it. I 100% favor the current system, "manufactured" drama and entertainment and all. If you don't think it makes them ramp things up 2 more times in the race or rewards the best teams your nuts IMO. "Racing" is manufactured anyway. Only thing original about it is when 2 guys lucky enough to own horseless carriages decide to see who's was fastest. Every friggin form of racing is a "manufactured" event. What about circle tracks is not manufactured?
Current point system is here. Deal....
 
Ford 222 said:
I just posted this as I thought it was interesting, not because I favor it. I 100% favor the current system, "manufactured" drama and entertainment and all. If you don't think it makes them ramp things up 2 more times in the race or rewards the best teams your nuts IMO. "Racing" is manufactured anyway. Only thing original about it is when 2 guys lucky enough to own horseless carriages decide to see who's was fastest. Every friggin form of racing is a "manufactured" event. What about circle tracks is not manufactured?
Current point system is here. Deal....
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Some people think that the God almighty ordained the old points system and that anyone else is “manufactured.”
 
The Nature Boy said:
Some people think that the God almighty ordained the old points system and that anyone else is “manufactured.”
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If you study up on how incredibly stupid most of the points system used before the Latford System was, you would have a better understanding of why it is revered so much. Not that's it was perfect, but it provided a sensible framework around which tweaks could be applied. Instead of just fixing what they had, NASCAR threw the baby out with the bathwater.
 
Formerjackman said:
If you study up on how incredibly stupid most of the points system used before the Latford System was, you would have a better understanding of why it is revered so much
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This goes both ways. Some of the playoff haters would do well to look at those old systems as well. I have been a fan for over 30 years, I know about the history of the sport.
 
Ford 222 said:
Current point system is here. Deal....
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My answer to that is that people that pushed for a change should have just dealt with what they had. The street goes both ways on this.
The Nature Boy said:
This goes both ways. Some of the playoff haters would do well to look at those old systems as well. I have been a fan for over 30 years, I know about the history of the sport.
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What I find interesting that teams weren't complaining, drivers weren't complaining, fans weren't complaining, but we HAD to make a change. Well, the experiment is two decades old now, and HOW is the sport better than it was in 2003? More fans? NO. More TV viewership? NO. More sponsorship dollars? NO.
 
Formerjackman said:
What I find interesting that teams weren't complaining, drivers weren't complaining, fans weren't complaining, but we HAD to make a change. Well, the experiment is two decades old now, and HOW is the sport better than it was in 2003? More fans? NO. More TV viewership? NO. More sponsorship dollars? NO.
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NASCAR wanted to do something to mark the transition to Nextel as the title sponsor and Brian France wanted to make his mark on the sport.

I prefer the old way but I don’t think it’s any more or less legitimate than what we have now. The teams will do what they have to do to win according to the rules that they have.
 
Formerjackman said:
My answer to that is that people that pushed for a change should have just dealt with what they had. The street goes both ways on this.
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Get some perspective. Some things are worth fighting to change, especially public policies. This is entertainment provided by a private corporation, theirs to change as they wish. No one in the audience is harmed, and the participants can always get real jobs.
 
Efisher131 said:
No one is consistent with this car. In previous generations you would have a few guys with 20+ top 10s, even one or two pushing 30. The most anyone can get this year is 22, and no one else can go over 20.
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Gen 6 was the worst.

In gen 6, we had a driver, sometimes multiple drivers score 26+ top 10s every single season.

From 2000-2013, it only happened 3 times, Gordon in 2007, Edwards in 2008&2011.

Gen 6 era inflated the hell out of "box score stats".

The gen 7 has pulled them WAYYYY back down to earth.

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Jorge De Guzman said:
I’ll always prefer the full season system over this one, it’ll always have my heart. Saying that I actually don’t totally hate the playoffs, but I do wish the last round was a “championship round” of 3 races instead of just the one at Phoenix.
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I think it was dull.

2004-2013 was the greatest format we ever had. For whatever reason, I always felt the champion was most deserving and it felt MORE prestigious. The driver who won the title during the chase each year was championship caliber all year, which, excluding Johnson, was Busch, Stewart, and Keselowski. And the contenders were great all year as well.

The drivers who were best all year got to do exactly what they did for 26 races during a mini season with a much smaller margin for error and it produced some 90s Jeff Gordon like playoff runs..Johnson has a bunch. But you had a handful of drivers who usually were top 3 guys performing at peak Jeff Gordon levels for 10 races..

The 10 race Chase was the best, most legitimate system for crowning a champion.

Full season format and playoffs are equally deserving champions, but the chase format was the best we ever had.

I'll die on that hill. It was thrilling


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Drivers don't give a **** about the old system.

It's no longer the legitimate way to crown a champion, and given today's strategies around the system, the full season points battle is legitimately a poor way to assess the season's champion.

Today's champion is the fastest and best executing.

The old system's champ was the most consistent.

The chase champion was the most consistent, the fastest and the best executing for a significant stretch when it matters. Like I said. The other two don't compare.

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jaqua19 said:
I think it was dull.

2004-2013 was the greatest format we ever had. For whatever reason, I always felt the champion was most deserving and it felt MORE prestigious. The driver who won the title during the chase each year was championship caliber all year, which, excluding Johnson, was Busch, Stewart, and Keselowski. And the contenders were great all year as well.

The drivers who were best all year got to do exactly what they did for 26 races during a mini season with a much smaller margin for error and it produced some 90s Jeff Gordon like playoff runs..Johnson has a bunch. But you had a handful of drivers who usually were top 3 guys performing at peak Jeff Gordon levels for 10 races..

The 10 race Chase was the best, most legitimate system for crowning a champion.

Full season format and playoffs are equally deserving champions, but the chase format was the best we ever had.

I'll die on that hill. It was thrilling


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Everyone is going to have their own preference. For me personally, there was more prestige to a full season champion, imo every race was a playoff race. Sometimes a guy couldnt win and thats okay, I thought that took talent in its own right to not wreck in that moment and bring it home to live another day.... the dreaded "We had a good points day." But yeah the playoffs are here........ probably forever. I've already embraced the entertainment, weird, unconventional aspect of a playoff in motorsports. I just hope one day in this format the final race is rotated like college football does with the Championship Game and NFL with the Super Bowl. A rotation amongst Las Vegas-Fontana Short Track-Nashville FairGrounds-Texas-Charlotte Oval-Phoenix-Atlanta ( hear me out. I dont think Atlanta will always race the way it does now, once track wears of course) would be just absolutely insane, now thats a hill I'd die on.
 
I liked the Latford System, but then again, have only been involved with NASCAR since Glenn went upside down and Ned pulled him out. So, what do I know.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Get some perspective. Some things are worth fighting to change, especially public policies. This is entertainment provided by a private corporation, theirs to change as they wish. No one in the audience is harmed, and the participants can always get real jobs.
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You could say that about 90% of the things discussed here. Why are we even here?
 
OldTimer said:
I liked the Latford System, but then again, have only been involved with NASCAR since Glenn went upside down and Ned pulled him out. So, what do I know.
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Same here.

For some reason I remember exactly where I was when I heard that he had succumbed several weeks later to the effects of the severe burns.

I still prefer the era when the emphasis was simply on the race itself as opposed to the focus on points that developed over the years.
 
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