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yeah I'm sure glad the airlines don't think that way, or on a lower level racing teams don't use those stupid things.
The spin is stupid. The sim is what it is. Read. It's a good habit.
 

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The spin is stupid. The sim is what it is. Read. It's a good habit.
yep like I have said before, walk into your mother ship and shout at the top of your lungs, THIS TOYOTA SIMULATOR IS STUPID! I think they would take away your Yota card for that.:p
 

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yeah I'm sure glad the airlines don't think that way, or on a lower level racing teams don't use those stupid things.
You make a good point about the aircraft simulators. Of course they have features that 99% of the racing simulations don't have. Also, for a racing sim to be accurate, you would have to wear a firesuit and helmet in 130 degree room while you simulator ****pit is attached to a jackhammer and spun in circles to simulate G-forces. Maybe then it gives you a better idea of what driving a race car is all about.
 

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yep like I have said before, walk into your mother ship and shout at the top of your lungs, THIS TOYOTA SIMULATOR IS STUPID! I think they would take away your Yota card for that.:p
You. Are. Not. Listening....and I have never seen TV coverage and/or a trophy given for success in one of OUR simulators. Read. Please.
 

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You make a good point about the aircraft simulators. Of course they have features that 99% of the racing simulations don't have. Also, for a racing sim to be accurate, you would have to wear a firesuit and helmet in 130 degree room while you simulator ****pit is attached to a jackhammer and spun in circles to simulate G-forces. Maybe then it gives you a better idea of what driving a race car is all about.
Seems to work well for training NASA astronauts, Airline pilots, and surprise of surprises race car drivers.
 

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You could have saved yourself a lot of trouble if he would have added a different word to his vocabulary. It's called SIM racer. Right now across the parking lot from the Chili bowl are 400 (entry cap) from all over who are racing R/C cars in multiple classes having their R/C chili bowl. I really want to see one of these poor mouths stand in the middle of the track and tell these 400 some odd entrants, this isn't racing and they aren't racers.

http://www.rcchilibowl.com/
what they're doing is a very expensive hobby.
 

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No wrong answers here at all.

I can see the frustration from the grassroots and modified racers. NASCAR know eSports is a growing segment and they are pushing hell out of it. Nothing wrong with it and honestly I approve of esports, its really fun and I mean I enjoyed it when I played iRacing. At the end of the day, its still a video game and lacks the true sense of speed to racing an actual car (in my case a kart).

I feel as if the home track series should receive the same love and attention. NBC started the #GrassrootsRacing deal, that's cool and all, but I'm talking more advertising on FOX and NBC. Showing more races live than on tape delays and really push the series. More news and attention at the lower levels would be great IMO.

Anyways, both sides great have cases. It could spark interest from game to real life, you never know with the youth. I want everyone to get money doing what they love, just it comes down to supply and demand of the two as well.

Both should be respected, they are both enjoyable and quite fun. If anyone has the chance, get in a sim using iRacing, rFactor, or Assetto Corsa. All are a ton of fun.

At the same time, if I had the funds run races at the local level, I'd be all on it.
 

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I saw a couple of heats of indoor drone racing the other day. Each heat lasted about three minutes over a short course restricted by the dimensions of the venue. It did nothing for me; too short and I couldn't figure out the layout. I'd rather watch dog agility drills.

Just thought I'd cut off another head on this Hydra.
 

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Norbert Michelisz, a WTCR driver for Hyundai, was found off of playing Grand Turismo 4 many years ago. Then switched to touring car ladder and worked his way up to being a WTCR champion last year.

Its possible:
https://www.fiawtcr.com/driver/norbert-michelisz/
I watched some show where they took 5 SIM gamers to the track, put them in cars and with two of them they gave them a racing contract, I believe it was Mazda but I can't be sure. There is a definate bridge between good SIM drivers and being able to turn decent laps. Eh William Byron? :D Ask Rick.
 

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I saw a couple of heats of indoor drone racing the other day. Each heat lasted about three minutes over a short course restricted by the dimensions of the venue. It did nothing for me; too short and I couldn't figure out the layout. I'd rather watch dog agility drills.

Just thought I'd cut off another head on this Hydra.
Drones go so fast and the racing tracks are terrible for a camera to pick them up. Something like a large oval would work a hell of a lot better. BTW that new Top Dog show is a hit. Somebody tell them that isn't racing
 

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you need to stand in the middle of their track and tell them that. :D Tell them they aren't racing.
on my way, taking the rest of the day off to embark on this mission
 

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It's probably better than youth hanging out smoking weed and robbing liquor stores -- but lacks the true adventure and elevated risky spirit of auto racing, flying, motorcycle riding, etc.

As a stand alone, Sims have merit on several levels -- training, clean time waster, hand eye development; but as a competition it falls short for me. I'd rather watch those toned up lady Curlers gliding on the ice, than Parker Kligerman with cartoon voice selling me on the "E-sport".

Risk and aggressive competition interacting with a truly demanding physical environment is what makes competitive auto, flying, motorcycle events a more interesting and satisfying experience as a participant and spectator.

OTOH: with the recent sobering casualty in Dakar-SA, the cost of that experience can be tragic -- and Sim-racing might make more sense for some.

Waiting for the geek mob in their Star Trek outfits to flood in here and correct me.
 

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It's probably better than youth hanging out smoking weed and robbing liquor stores -- but lacks the true adventure and elevated risky spirit of auto racing, flying, motorcycle riding, etc.

As a stand alone, Sims have merit on several levels -- training, clean time waster, hand eye development; but as a competition it falls short for me. I'd rather watch those toned up lady
Curlers gliding on the ice, than Parker Kligerman with cartoon voice selling me on the "E-sport".

Risk and aggressive competition interacting with a truly demanding physical environment is what makes competitive auto, flying, motorcycle events a more interesting and satisfying experience as a participant and spectator.

OTOH: with the recent sobering casualty in Dakar-SA, the cost of that experience can be tragic -- and Sim-racing might make more sense for some.

Waiting for the geek mob in their Star Trek outfits to flood in here and correct me.
I love Curling. A favorite Olympic sport of mine.
 

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Actually, a lot of these sim racers race for teams and other people handle the setups.

Seriously.

There are corporate sponsors and professional teams in this.
In the PRO Series, yes. However there are two types of races on iRacing, Fixed & Open. Fixed is basically IROC, everyone gets the same set-ups. Minor driver's comfort adjustment are allowed, but that's pretty much it. Open is where you build your own set-ups. You can still use the default sets from iRacing, but they are built more for stability than speed. All PRO series are open set-ups, even iRacing Road to PRO Truck Series.

Most people who run Open outside of the PRO series build their own sets & they spend hours doing it.
 

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Honestly, I think this is part of why we're seeing the high downforce, low horsepower stuff in NASCAR. They want to replicate iRacing with the real cars and make it easier for people to be able to jump from a computer to a cockpit.

I'm really not looking forward to seeing people who love working on cars and taking them to the track not have a place to do so anymore because of computers. Social media's already enough of a cancer... the social commentary in science fiction has warned us about this virtual reality stuff for decades and we're ready to ignore all that and jump right in.
 

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If rising drivers want to use a SIM to prepare to move up to the next level for them, I have no problem with it. The other people doing it are doing so for fun. If someone wants to shell out 100 grand for somebody to win a competition, that's up to them.

For someone to use these to train drivers, then climb into something without being in the real thing is a comical thought. It's one thing to crash at 180MPH on a computer, it's totally different to do it in the real thing.
 

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For someone to use these to train drivers, then climb into something without being in the real thing is a comical thought. It's one thing to crash at 180MPH on a computer, it's totally different to do it in the real thing.
Just a thought, much cheaper to train a driver on a SIM before getting behind the wheel, the crashes are much less expensive and knowing the tricky parts of the track can lessen the odds of both driver and car into the wall.
 

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You make a good point about the aircraft simulators. Of course they have features that 99% of the racing simulations don't have. Also, for a racing sim to be accurate, you would have to wear a firesuit and helmet in 130 degree room while you simulator ****pit is attached to a jackhammer and spun in circles to simulate G-forces. Maybe then it gives you a better idea of what driving a race car is all about.
Don’t forget upside down, backwards and on fire.

Given the current state of Sim hardware, I don’t think anyone “racing” this stuff has had the weight of their body suspended by their shoulder belts.
 

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Honestly, I think this is part of why we're seeing the high downforce, low horsepower stuff in NASCAR. They want to replicate iRacing with the real cars and make it easier for people to be able to jump from a computer to a cockpit.

I'm really not looking forward to seeing people who love working on cars and taking them to the track not have a place to do so anymore because of computers. Social media's already enough of a cancer... the social commentary in science fiction has warned us about this virtual reality stuff for decades and we're ready to ignore all that and jump right in.
sounds good for a prepper site
 

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I'm really not looking forward to seeing people who love working on cars and taking them to the track not have a place to do so anymore because of computers.
How do you see computers causing that? People had hundreds of way of amusing themselves before video games came along; why does this one form concern you more than any of those others? Motorcycles are cheaper to fund but they haven’t killed auto racing.
 

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Insecure racing fans who believe that sim racing is going to destroy real racing are barking up the wrong tree.

Again, the popularity of the real activity is essential to there being a desire to pretend to do it. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Real life racers should take sim racing as the compliment it is.

iRacing champions are honored by the opportunity to get to log practice laps in real race cars. That's the gulf in terms of the actual prestige involved.

Deep down, everyone knows that it's playing dress up. It's auto racing karaoke. And there is nothing wrong with that.
 
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No wrong answers here at all.

I can see the frustration from the grassroots and modified racers. NASCAR know eSports is a growing segment and they are pushing hell out of it. Nothing wrong with it and honestly I approve of esports, its really fun and I mean I enjoyed it when I played iRacing. At the end of the day, its still a video game and lacks the true sense of speed to racing an actual car (in my case a kart).

I feel as if the home track series should receive the same love and attention. NBC started the #GrassrootsRacing deal, that's cool and all, but I'm talking more advertising on FOX and NBC. Showing more races live than on tape delays and really push the series. More news and attention at the lower levels would be great IMO.

Anyways, both sides great have cases. It could spark interest from game to real life, you never know with the youth. I want everyone to get money doing what they love, just it comes down to supply and demand of the two as well.

Both should be respected, they are both enjoyable and quite fun. If anyone has the chance, get in a sim using iRacing, rFactor, or Assetto Corsa. All are a ton of fun.

At the same time, if I had the funds run races at the local level, I'd be all on it.
Agreed. People in the field are suppose to look down at the geeks, it is a basic instinct.
Seriously the guys racing the hardware have a lot more invested and that deserves the greater respect and it does get more respect.
The PC crowd warrior gets less as it should be, but that does not mean it isnt worthwhile.
Last of all beauty is in the eye of the boholder.

It is all fun no need getting warped out over it, you either like and respect it or you don't. Nobody is going to post you into changing your mind.
 

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Videogame race postrace interview.

Q: So what happened in the closing laps to cost you this race?
Driver: Well, my internet connection sputtered there, so I need to work on my modem next week. We just upgraded RAM this week so that helped. Our Nvidia/Doritos/Pepsi Mustang was quick tonight. We'll get them next time.
 
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Sims are light shows mostly driven by imagination.

I don't confuse it with auto racing.
 

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I badly wish I would have known when I was a kid, that you'd one day be able to make millions by simply playing videogames, sorry, "eSports"... I would've spent less time going outside and more time playing on my Sega Dreamcast and Sony Playstation 2. :rolleyes:
 

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Establish strict regulations on software racing simulations. Don't make them illegal, as this will create a black market and hand them over to the cartels. They will still be permitted for personal use. But it shall be illegal to record or transmit the e-races across state lines.

The people consuming this content don't understand what they are doing to themselves. More importantly, once they detox, they will fill the stands and pits at their local speedways.
 

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Establish strict regulations on software racing simulations. Don't make them illegal, as this will create a black market and hand them over to the cartels. They will still be permitted for personal use. But it shall be illegal to record or transmit the e-races across state lines.

The people consuming this content don't understand what they are doing to themselves. More importantly, once they detox, they will fill the stands and pits at their local speedways.
full coverage helmets with eye protection to shield against potential monitor explosions, full 6 point belt system to prevent chair fall out injuries
 

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Shoe on the track, fan climbing safety fence, track chunking-up and coming apart, Austin caught in the net and thrown back onto the track, JPM, Gibbs giving the tire swap order --

irreplaceable

But "The Man" knows it's big business selling fantasy to geeks...
 

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Establish strict regulations on software racing simulations. Don't make them illegal, as this will create a black market and hand them over to the cartels. They will still be permitted for personal use. But it shall be illegal to record or transmit the e-races across state lines.

The people consuming this content don't understand what they are doing to themselves. More importantly, once they detox, they will fill the stands and pits at their local speedways.
Might need some age restrictions too, stop the Pedoleagues and Pedofiles.
 
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