Johali's Rate the Cup race --- Chicago Street

Revman said:
I'll give it a 7. It's interesting how I haven't seen anybody mention how NASCAR **** the bed on reducing the total laps. Inexcusable. Let the pit stops cycle, then notify the teams when it becomes obvious. Bell got screwed. Hard. Having said all of that SVG got screwed too, and drove through the field. Thus, a 7 not a 1.

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One of the things that need be considered is the streets must be passable for city traffic by Wednesday and that's no easy task if the race were to run over. NASCAR had to make a decision and they made a few good choices given the circumstances. They moved the time of the start, they reduced the number of laps, and while no one likes a shortened race - no one but those awarded the winners trophy after a shortened race - I can't imagine anything worse than a bunch of Chicagoans pissing and moaning about the streets not passable on Wednesday morning or dodging cleanup crews during the morning commute. All in all, for the first time out, great job, NASCAR!!!!
 
6.5, I would like to give it another chance without the rain. But nascar definitely screwed up with shortening the race how they did giving unfair advantages. The race only started an hour late and they had to to drop 25 laps off it is kinda BS. Could be a good race without all the issues
 
As good as a street race as I have seen, but that's a REALLY low bar, so that equates to a 3. I think without the rain it would have been as dull as the partial Xfinity race, and I still wouldn't go watch it if I LIVED in Chicago.
 
Daytripper said:
6.5, I would like to give it another chance without the rain. But nascar definitely screwed up with shortening the race how they did giving unfair advantages. The race only started an hour late and they had to to drop 25 laps off it is kinda BS. Could be a good race without all the issues
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Would you rather they race in the dark? Remember, the camera brighten pictures as the darkness creeps in and while many might feel there was enough light, they actual light conditions were skirting the end of the daylight and racing longer would have become hazardous. The street lights had already come on which occurs about dusk leaving little time until darkness. It is easy to understand frustration with those who think the race could have run the distance but the cautions and eventual darkness screwed any hope of that. At least NASCAR gave teams time to prepare for the closing laps and teams must have seen the inevitable long before NASCAR made any announcement.
 
Whizzer said:
Would you rather they race in the dark? Remember, the camera brighten pictures as the darkness creeps in and while many might feel there was enough light, they actual light conditions were skirting the end of the daylight and racing longer would have become hazardous. The street lights had already come on which occurs about dusk leaving little time until darkness. It is easy to understand frustration with those who think the race could have run the distance but the cautions and eventual darkness screwed any hope of that. At least NASCAR gave teams time to prepare for the closing laps and teams must have seen the inevitable long before NASCAR made any announcement.
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Where did I say they could have run the distance? They obviously couldn't. My problem was that even if the race started on time they probably weren't going to have enough light to finish.
 
9.91 Excellent job of getting the race in and giving decent notice of of calling in advance, after 75 laps.
 
Hard to rate it given how it started in a saturated track and then cutting laps from the race. I'll admit the cool factor was better than I thought. But guys crashing into the corners and the clogged track was something I was expecting which is why I don't like street courses.
 
9
This was much much better than I expected, the racing was good and the atmosphere was great.
The race wasn't nearly as chaotic as I thought it would be. No five-wide moves into a 90-degree turns, no crazy divebombs, everyone seemed pretty well-behaved, I'm sure the single-file restarts contributed to that.

Let's do this again next year, if not in Chicago then in another city.
 
Whizzer said:
One of the things that need be considered is the streets must be passable for city traffic by Wednesday and that's no easy task if the race were to run over. NASCAR had to make a decision and they made a few good choices given the circumstances. They moved the time of the start, they reduced the number of laps, and while no one likes a shortened race - no one but those awarded the winners trophy after a shortened race - I can't imagine anything worse than a bunch of Chicagoans pissing and moaning about the streets not passable on Wednesday morning or dodging cleanup crews during the morning commute. All in all, for the first time out, great job, NASCAR!!!!
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Agreed.
 
Greg said:
9.91 Excellent job of getting the race in and giving decent notice of of calling in advance, after 75 laps.
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+1 on getting the race in....totally disagree on notice of shortening it. The best car was the 20, and he got screwed....Having said that SVG was a deserving winner. Like when NASAR holds onto a yellow when leaders are in the pits to keep from screwing them, they should have let the pit strategy play out, and then notify the teams when it became necessary. Now, my boy @StandOnIt is good with the ****** cars and their Hail Marys, but I'm not. Again, however, SVG was a deserving winner who got after it, and outdrove everybody given the circumstances he was given.
 
Revman said:
+1 on getting the race in....totally disagree on notice of shortening it. The best car was the 20, and he got screwed....Having said that SVG was a deserving winner. Like when NASAR holds onto a yellow when leaders are in the pits to keep from screwing them, they should have let the pit strategy play out, and then notify the teams when it became necessary. Now, my boy @StandOnIt is good with the ****** cars and their Hail Marys, but I'm not. Again, however, SVG was a deserving winner who got after it, and outdrove everybody given the circumstances he was given.
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I was thinking that SVG wasn't a beneficiary of the 75 lap announcement. He was p18 at the time. In contrast I think it was beneficial to Haley, A.Dillion, and Elliott, it was the only reason they ever had a chance with the track position advantages they gained.

The weather was a headache and literally the perfect storm in the sense that nothing could be performed in a perfect manner. I don't know when RC fully realized it wouldn't go the distance but I have seen races called with much less notice.

I am not a fan of withholding the info once they the decision is made, it should be full disclosure to all and let the chips fall where they may. I can't prove it but I think that's the way it went yesterday.
 
Where do I begin? One street course race per season is plenty. JMHO

10 - For the winner, he put a straight up clean and clear ass whippen on the field and it was really no surprise as he races this type course all the time.
10 - For seeing Gregson put his trust fund ride buying ass in the tire barrier numerous times. LMAO
10- For (as Dirty Harry would say) my Mellon man knowing his limitations on a street course.
10 - For watching A. Dillion run out of talent, as expected. LMAO
10 - For watching Haley cleanly race the winner at the closing laps.
10 - For watching Hambone run out of talent. LMAO

I bet Blaney was saying, "Where the hell was the tire barrier last week"

Whom ever designed those tire barriers dang sure know their stuff, repeated hits and the barriers took it and the cars survived it, fantastic job.
 
Greg said:
I was thinking that SVG wasn't a beneficiary of the 75 lap announcement. He was p18 at the time. In contrast I think it was beneficial to Haley, A.Dillion, and Elliott, it was the only reason they ever had a chance with the track position advantages they gained.

The weather was a headache and literally the perfect storm in the sense that nothing could be performed in a perfect manner. I don't know when RC fully realized it wouldn't go the distance but I have seen races called with much less notice.

I am not a fan of withholding the info once they the decision is made, it should be full disclosure to all and let the chips fall where they may. I can't prove it but I think that's the way it went yesterday.
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SVG was not the beneficiary in any way other than Bell was taken out of the lead. I will not take anything away from him. NASCAR was forced to do something they didn't want to do....I get that. However, screwing the best car out of the lead was something that they could have controlled. Additionally, how could they know how far the event could go? They said to 75, and we ended up at 77 with the G/W/C.

Proud of what NASCAR did, however, to get this in....the event was fabulous IMO.
 
Revman said:
SVG was not the beneficiary in any way other than Bell was taken out of the lead. I will not take anything away from him. NASCAR was forced to do something they didn't want to do....I get that. However, screwing the best car out of the lead was something that they could have controlled. Additionally, how could they know how far the event could go? They said to 75, and we ended up at 77 with the G/W/C.

Proud of what NASCAR did, however, to get this in....the event was fabulous IMO.
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Bell took himself out. Bell and Larson were one and two when they pitted (fastest car my ass) and they came out in 15th and 16th. Larson fought back to finish 4th, Bell on the other hand went into the tires unassisted, finished 18th. Clean the yota dust out of your eyes. SVG pulled the fastest lap by a second and a half over the rest of the field...there is your fastest car bud.
 
StandOnIt said:
Bell took himself out. Bell and Larson were one and two when they pitted (fastest car my ass) and they came out in 15th and 16th. Larson fought back to finish 4th, Bell on the other hand went into the tires unassisted, finished 18th. Clean the yota dust out of your eyes. SVG pulled the fastest lap by a second and a half over the rest of the field...there is your fastest car bud.
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How many stages did Bell win? How many laps did Bell lead?
 
Revman said:
SVG was not the beneficiary in any way other than Bell was taken out of the lead. I will not take anything away from him. NASCAR was forced to do something they didn't want to do....I get that. However, screwing the best car out of the lead was something that they could have controlled. Additionally, how could they know how far the event could go? They said to 75, and we ended up at 77 with the G/W/C.

Proud of what NASCAR did, however, to get this in....the event was fabulous IMO.
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StandOnIt said:
Bell took himself out. Bell and Larson were one and two when they pitted (fastest car my ass) and they came out in 15th and 16th. Larson fought back to finish 4th, Bell on the other hand went into the tires unassisted, finished 18th. Clean the yota dust out of your eyes. SVG pulled the fastest lap by a second and a half over the rest of the field...there is your fastest car bud.
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For disclosure I have no way of giving a full opinion on what would have happened if C.Bell had not spun out. I had to follow most of it on the radio. I have it on DVR to watch later this week

FTR, I think Bell is a great driver, if he had a good late pit stop at Phoenix last year he probably would have won the 2022 championship. Bell was definitely better in the 1st half of the race but SVG got better in the second half of the race. I would have been great to seen him and Bell racing for the win during the last laps.

Good people can disagree on some of these points.

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StandOnIt said:
Lol. I watched the race from SVG's in car. He could run up on the leaders any time he wanted, but he didn't start racing until after the last pit stop. Bell wasn't the best car.
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Okay, your expert eye from the in car cam, tells you something different. Got it. You have lots of favorite drivers.
 
The race ...a 6. the format a 2, .....everything ( track . cars , ringers , tires .ect ) a 180* turn away from the original thoughts of NASCAR...
 
cheesepuffs said:
What is NASCAR supposed to do, control the weather? It rained so they pushed the start time back and still got in 75% of the race, and the crashes you're referring to mostly happened due to the strategic risk of slicks on a damp track, which was am awesome strategy to see play out while the track was drying. That's all the making of a good race, changing conditions, and we got it.
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How anyone can rate that a 4 is beyond me. It was a massive hit.
 
10. That crowd was as diverse as I've ever seen and they loved it. There is a video of someone polling the crowd as they left and they were raving about it
 
StandOnIt said:
Anytime a driver can run the fastest lap by a second and a half over the field and win the race besides, it is a no brainer
Here is what Kyle said about Shane
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No thanks.
 
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