Johanna Long

AndyMarquisLive said:
So, it's your opinion that NASCAR is literally incapable of attracting new fans and, because of that, they shouldn't even bother and should cater solely to an aging fanbase that won't be around in 20 years? Because you've never met a fan that became interested by watching on television.

If your experiences with fans represents the fanbase as a whole, the sport would've never exploded in the 90s and early 2000s. See the problem here?
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Just so you know ,Andy , I'm one of those who became a fan by buying a ticket . I saw the sport on Wide World of Sports , followed it a bit , then bought a ticket and then became a fan . I too saw a lot of 'fans' leave the sport when Senior passed . They just couldn't see the sport without Dale . I also saw rabid young kids enter the sport as Jeff Gordon fans , I think a lot of them are leaving now too. Anyway , I wholeheartedly agree , that the core of the sport has to be the race fan , not the driver fan, to be self sustaining . By the way , you used the word 'obtuse' . I haven't seen that here before :)
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
So, it's your opinion that NASCAR is literally incapable of attracting new fans and, because of that, they shouldn't even bother and should cater solely to an aging fanbase that won't be around in 20 years? Because you've never met a fan that became interested by watching on television.

If your experiences with fans represents the fanbase as a whole, the sport would've never exploded in the 90s and early 2000s. See the problem here?
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This is why stock cars have turned into relics of days gone by. The old timers refuse to accept consumer based blocks and OHC engines, so there is NO connection to attract todays car buyers while the old timers happily watch museum pieces roll around the track. I bet V6 OHC engines could run 3 or 4 truck races and save teams a ton of money. Science out the exhaust and we'll barely know the difference. Manufacturers may even get back to giving their engines cool names.
 
BOWTIE GUY said:
I just know what I lived. I started going to races in the mid 80's and every new race fan was there because someone that was already a race fan talked them into it.never did I ever meet one that said I just got up one day and decided to buy a ticket to a nascar race.
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So those are the 2 choices for gaining new fans? Some old timer drags you to a race....or you wake up and mindlessly buy a ticket???

:rolleyes:
 
FenderBumper said:
So those are the 2 choices for gaining new fans? Some old timer drags you to a race....or you wake up and mindlessly buy a ticket???

:rolleyes:
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Its our job to bring new fans into this sport, they are always glad we did :)
 
ted@economy said:
Personally , I'd hate to see Johanna or any other female get a cup ride . No other female driver should have to take the crap and abuse that Danica does . Maybe in a few years the male fans can get used to having a female in the field , but I don't see that happening any time soon.
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This is bs. Danica wouldn't get nearly the flack she gets if she was good at her job.

Sure, there are a segment of fans that will hate a woman driver n matter what and those people are stupid
 
Lazyking said:
This is bs. Danica wouldn't get nearly the flack she gets if she was good at her job.

Sure, there are a segment of fans that will hate a woman driver n matter what and those people are stupid
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I disagree. If Danica Patrick were winning races and getting even more attention, she'd get even more hate. I like Johanna Long but the only reason a lot of people support her is because she's not Danica Patrick. And that's a shame.

NASCAR fans hated Danica Patrick back in 2005 when she was running IndyCar and I know this because I remember SPEED Channel's NASCAR pundits bad-mouthing her back then.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
I disagree. If Danica Patrick were winning races and getting even more attention, she'd get even more hate. I like Johanna Long but the only reason a lot of people support her is because she's not Danica Patrick. And that's a shame.

NASCAR fans hated Danica Patrick back in 2005 when she was running IndyCar and I know this because I remember SPEED Channel's NASCAR pundits bad-mouthing her back then.
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And it makes zero sense. Danica seems like such a nice girl. Yeah she has her anger issues sometimes but what driver doesn't?
 
Ted's right - a lot of the hate Danica gets is because she's a woman. Claiming you hate Danica Patrick because of the media attention she gets is irrational. Actually, it's just a bull**** excuse.

http://www.joycejulius.com/PressReleases/top_drivers_2013.htm

Danica doesn't even make the top 10 when it comes to drivers getting television coverage. Yet she's the fifth most popular driver in NASCAR.
 
Stewart Fan said:
And it makes zero sense. Danica seems like such a nice girl. Yeah she has her anger issues sometimes but what driver doesn't?
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She isn't and there's a reason she isn't missed in open wheel racing. But most people who hate her hated her long before she became a diva.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Ted's right - a lot of the hate Danica gets is because she's a woman. Claiming you hate Danica Patrick because of the media attention she gets is irrational. Actually, it's just a bull**** excuse.

http://www.joycejulius.com/PressReleases/top_drivers_2013.htm

Danica doesn't even make the top 10 when it comes to drivers getting television coverage. Yet she's the fifth most popular driver in NASCAR.
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Claiming you hate anyone because they drive a race car is irrational.
 
If Danica was worth half the hype on the race track, I would be a HUGE fan. Jesus you people are stuck in your ways.
 
DUN24 said:
If Danica was worth half the hype on the race track, I would be a HUGE fan. Jesus you people are stuck in your ways.
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I don't think anyone's ever said Danica Patrick would be a great driver that would win a bunch of races and contend for championships. She's a marketing machine - just like Dale Jr who's won all of one race in the last five seasons.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Fun fact: Danica Patrick won exactly the same number of races Dale Earnhardt, Jr. won in 2013.
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AndyMarquisLive said:
I don't think anyone's ever said Danica Patrick would be a great driver that would win a bunch of races and contend for championships. She's a marketing machine - just like Dale Jr who's won all of one race in the last five seasons.
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They're not even remotely comparable as race car drivers.
 
Do people really hate her because she's a woman in a man's sport? I think that's BS. Personally I don't care for her because her personality just doesn't seem very likable, but also because she's a terrible Cup driver who races like an idiot far too often. That being said, I hope she does well in Cup because there's no doubt her success would be good for the sport.

IMO, Danica will survive in NASCAR because of her marketing appeal and popularity, not her talent. The sad thing is there are probably a handful of other female drivers who are equally deserving of a Cup ride, but won't get one. I wouldn't be surprised if you put someone like Johanna Long in the #10 and it actually becomes a somewhat competitive ride. But unfortunately that won't happen because she doesn't have Danica's celebrity status and popularity.
 
Speaking of up-and-coming female drivers, Kenzie Ruston is moving from Turner Scott Motorsports to Ben Kennedy Racing in the K&N East Series.

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TooSweet said:
Do people really hate her because she's a woman in a man's sport? I think that's BS. Personally I don't care for her because her personality just doesn't seem very likable, but also because she's a terrible Cup driver who races like an idiot far too often. That being said, I hope she does well in Cup because there's no doubt her success would be good for the sport.
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Clearly, I can't put it more eloquently.
 
Stewart Fan said:
Is it her fault people talk about her? Should she just hide in some corner so no one every pays attention to her?
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No, that's not even close to what I was saying. I was saying she's overrated.

The problem is, when someone calls her out on the fact that she acts extremely entitled and sucks as a stock car driver, they are labeled as a discriminator. The same people can talk about how Steven Wallace doesn't belong on city streets. Think about how ridiculous this whole ****** thing is.
 
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When Danica raced her last season in NW, she was quite competitive, I think a lot of you need to really giver her a chance. Do you think she is getting the best equipment at SHR? I doubt it and I also think that she needs a crew chief she can relate to, seems last year they just weren't on the same page much of the time. As for Johana long and the rest of the female drivers out ther trying to make a name for themselves, I don't think we will ever know if they are good unless they are in a top notch ride. Lets say put them in the 48 for race or two and see what they could do. I know the 10 isn't exactly a crappy ride, but as a driver how is Danica any worse than Yeley,Nemecheck, and all the rest of the back markers. If Danica continues to suck the entire 2014 season then maybe she doesn't belong in Cup, but I have a feeling she is going to do much better this year.
 
I don't know if Johanna could perform any better then Danica has...but, there is plenty of room in the Cup series for two female drivers. I don't think Johanna would draw near as much attention as Danica has unless she started winning a lot of races right off the bat. But, i don't see any downside to it, and i would love to see her get the chance to try.
 
give me a break. Her last year in N'wide? competitive? Wrecked 5 times out of 33 races, in over half of the races, she didn't finish on the lead lap? That is not my idea of being Nationwide competitive.
 
StandOnIt said:
give me a break. Her last year in N'wide? competitive? Wrecked 5 times out of 33 races, in over half of the races, she didn't finish on the lead lap? That is not my idea of being Nationwide competitive.
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That's not that bad...i have seen a few drivers wreck 2 or 3 times in the same race.:)
 
DUN24 said:
WHY DOES EVERYONE THINK THIS IS ABOUT LOOKS!???
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Because for some it is and all that does is give ammunition to her critics who claim she's in Nascar based on her looks. It's rather entertaining when you think about it :) They like her because she's hot and get upset with those who feel she isn't.
 
I'm sure that there are a lot of different reasons why fans like and dislike Danica Patrick. But, it doesn't really matter if a fan thinks Danica is hot or not, or if they like her or not... She still attracts most of the attention. Even in this Johanna thread Danica has recieved most of our attention.
Danica-----33 posts
Johanna---19 posts
 
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Mopardh9 said:
When Danica raced her last season in NW, she was quite competitive.
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The only full-time drivers she beat in points in 2012 were Jeremy Clements, Jason Bowles, and Mike Wallace. Mike Bliss beat her by more than 60 points. She beat Nemechek, who ran one less race, by 22 points. I don't think anyone here honestly believes Mike Bliss and Joe Nemechek are "quite competitive." I've actually seen "Back Row Joe" called out several times on this forum.
 
The fact that Danica has run so poorly in Hendrick cars (SHR and JRM are extensions of Hendrick and everyone knows it) shows that she still has a long way to go. I think it's funny that some people make so many excuses for her. Treat her like every other driver instead of holding her to a lower standard. It is what it is, she's not a good NASCAR driver at all, plain and simple. Does she have potential? Sure. She has been given an amazing opportunity that few others will ever get, and will have an extremely long period of time to prove herself, much longer than most other rookie drivers will ever get. I really do hope she becomes competitive one day, but only time will tell.
 
Ahh, the difference is WE are here talking about Danica. WE watch Danica race. WE discuss her abilities/inabilities.
She NEVER watches us or talks about us.
She drives the racecars that WE'D like to drive. She makes more money than WE do.
IMO, that makes her a winner.
Carry on.
 
BobbyFord said:
Ahh, the difference is WE are here talking about Danica. WE watch Danica race. WE discuss her abilities/inabilities.
She NEVER watches us or talks about us.
She drives the racecars that WE'D like to drive. She makes more money than WE do.
IMO, that makes her a winner.
Carry on.
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Get that logic out of here.
 
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