Just realized this......manufactures

Charlie Spencer said:
If Toyota spends 7.6 times the average, what's the average?
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...and if I read that outdated source correctly, Chevy spends 7.3 times average? With any reasonable Stand Error of Measurement (SEM), you could conclude that Toyota spends as much as Chevy....and if you are going to criticize Toyota for their spending, then you would have to criticize the manufacturer who won 13 Manufacturer Championships in a row I would think. Ford spent nothing in 2017, and then dominated in 2018...would be interesting to see an actual current source to see how much more they spent to get there.
 
2 Sweet said:
I'm assuming that's sponsorship dollars? How is this a bad thing?
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Whoa wait, those are sponsorship dollars? The context of the conversation was investment in R&D, etc. Talk about investment!
 
StandOnIt said:
nobody said it was..what was said was that Toyota wasn't outspending everybody.
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I assumed the conversation was referring to factory support. Resources spent on their teams. Maybe they have a higher budget than Chevrolet and Ford, but I doubt that information would ever be public.
 
Revman said:
Still crickets. If you are referring to me....you (and those like you) don't need me to hate Toyota, and you know that. This Toyota fan buys Toyotas, gets other people to buy Toyotas, goes to races, spends money on swag, and never misses a lap. If you think that is more harm than good for Toyota, you don't know Toyota which is probably the case.
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you do sound like a used car dealer. I'll give ya that. :D
 
StandOnIt said:
With deals at the sanctioning body, team and track levels, Toyota Motor North America Inc. was the biggest spender in NASCAR during the 2016 season. The company spent 7.6 times more on the sport than the average of all NASCAR sponsors.
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I'm a diehard Chevrolet fanboy. I'm not a Toyota defender. That being said, I try to be fair. Those numbers seem like hogwash in the context of our conversation. Nobody knows how much support the manufacturers spend on resources for their respective teams. I think the "team" reference is nothing more than sponsorship/advertising.
 
2 Sweet said:
I'm a diehard Chevrolet fanboy. I'm not a Toyota defender. That being said, I try to be fair. Those numbers seem like hogwash in the context of our conversation. Nobody knows how much support the manufacturers spend on resources for their respective teams. I think the "team" reference is nothing more than sponsorship/advertising.
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you think whatever ya want, better yet find some different figures.
 
StandOnIt said:
maybe you can comprehend this
With deals at the sanctioning body, team and track levels, Toyota Motor North America Inc. was the biggest spender in NASCAR during the 2016 season. The company spent 7.6 times more on the sport than the average of all NASCAR sponsors.
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Yeah, and I think the conversation was at the team level so in order to have a point (in 2016 anyway), you would have to sort out the sanctioning body and track level spending. Biggest spender could easily be changed to biggest investor when you think about it....and again, Chevy right there with Toyota, but you are good with that, right?
 
All I know is Chevrolet and Ford have help sustain NASCAR from day one. They will always be held in high regard to me. If Toyota is spending that much on 5 cars I would say that is a lot of money per car. Chevrolet and Ford are everyman race cars not just for the elite.
 
Revman said:
The argument that Toyota outspends everybody is crap, and the horror of a Japanese manufacturer went hand in hand with that BS early in Toyota's entry. Hence, the reference to a throwback.
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Why so angry? I'm ok with Toyota outspending everyone else. They'll spend whatever it takes to win, because they can. Chevy and Ford can't. Joe Gibbs can't spend out of pocket like Haas, Penske and Hendrick. But Toyota can spend whatever through him. What's to stop them? Penske, Haas and Hendrick can't out spend Toyota. So Toyota is sitting pretty in my opinion. And what's even neater, they take all those resources and their boy Kyle and go whoop up on the minor leagues. So much to boast about!!!
 
machinistman3 said:
All I know is Chevrolet and Ford have help sustain NASCAR from day one. They will always be held in high regard to me. If Toyota is spending that much on 5 cars I would say that is a lot of money per car. Chevrolet and Ford are everyman race cars not just for the elite.
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Toyota came in and spent when Chevy and Ford financially shot. You give no props for that? You should be thankful. The founding fathers were ready to run the sport into the ground.
 
Revman said:
Yeah, and I think the conversation was at the team level so in order to have a point (in 2016 anyway), you would have to sort out the sanctioning body and track level spending. Biggest spender could easily be changed to biggest investor when you think about it....and again, Chevy right there with Toyota, but you are good with that, right?
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StandOnIt said:
you think whatever ya want, better yet find some different figures.
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The fact that Lowes is far ahead of Ford proves my point. The figures are for sponsorship, nothing more.

I think it's pretty obvious that Toyota spends much more per car than Ford/Chevy. We don't need a graph to know that.
 
2 Sweet said:
The fact that Lowes is far ahead of Ford proves my point. The figures are for sponsorship, nothing more.

I think it's pretty obvious that Toyota spends much more per car than Ford/Chevy. We don't need a graph to know that.
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so Lowes wasn't sponsoring Johnson and it wasn't Lowes motor speedway?
 
StandOnIt said:
so Lowes wasn't sponsoring Johnson and it wasn't Lowes motor speedway?
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Huh?

Are you telling me Lowes spent more to sponsor the 48 than Ford spent on all their teams, plus sponsorship? That's ridiculous.

Also, Lowes hasn't owned the naming rights to Charlotte in years.
 
Revman said:
Toyota came in and spent when Chevy and Ford financially shot. You give no props for that? You should be thankful. The founding fathers were ready to run the sport into the ground.
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I was more excited when Dodge came back.The demise of the other manufacturers is definitely what is really sad.
 
Revman said:
Yeah, and I think the conversation was at the team level so in order to have a point (in 2016 anyway), you would have to sort out the sanctioning body and track level spending. Biggest spender could easily be changed to biggest investor when you think about it....and again, Chevy right there with Toyota, but you are good with that, right?
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look bud, you are the one who said it was crap, (it wasn't) Said Toyota wasn't outspending everybody (they did) and like I said some Toyota fans do more harm than good.
 
Revman said:
How is that obvious?
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They only have 5 cars. JGR + LFR. Ford and Chevrolet resources are spread pretty thin across all their teams. Obviously some are higher on the pecking order than others, but there's no doubt Gibbs is getting anything and everything they need from TRD. That's not a problem IMO, but they aren't just the top team with Toyota, they are THE team.
 
2 Sweet said:
They only have 5 cars. JGR + LFR. Ford and Chevrolet resources are spread pretty thin across all their teams. Obviously some are higher on the pecking order than others, but there's no doubt Gibbs is getting anything and everything they need from TRD. That's not a problem IMO, but they aren't just the top team with Toyota, they are THE team.
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I'm sure he will come up with a perfectly logical answer to that one too. :D
 
StandOnIt said:
I'm sure he will come up with a perfectly logical answer to that one too. :D
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I could be wrong, but it seems like common sense to me. GM has Hendrick, Ganassi, RCR, and others. Ford has Penske, SHR, Roush, and others. Toyota has JGR.....and one Leavine car.

I'm sure all three manufacturers have racing budgets set by the corporate bean counters. At this point, Toyota can afford to spend more per team. It is what it is.
 
It's like I said way back when in this B.S. thread. The Yotas are a thinly veiled factory team pouring their money into only 4 cars..sorry Guido, you guys are getting table scraps at best. Hopefully the other manufacturers don't follow suit. Many who follow the sport aren't jumping up and down about it. It would be easier and cheaper for the others to do the same thing and have a 12 car field.
 
StandOnIt said:
look bud, you are the one who said it was crap, (it wasn't) Said Toyota wasn't outspending everybody (they did) and like I said some Toyota fans do more harm than good.
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A couple of others have recognized the context of the conversation. I have hope for you. Cryptic Toyota comment remains cryptic. Whatevs...bud.
 
StandOnIt said:
It's like I said way back when in this B.S. thread. The Yotas are a thinly veiled factory team pouring their money into only 4 cars..sorry Guido, you guys are getting table scraps at best. Hopefully the other manufacturers don't follow suit. Many who follow the sport aren't jumping up and down about it. It would be easier and cheaper for the others to do the same thing and have a 12 car field.
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Good point. This is another reason why NASCAR would benefit from another manufacturer joining.

When this sport was really taking off in the 80s and 90s, we only had Ford and GM. Crazy how much times have changed.
 
2 Sweet said:
I could be wrong, but it seems like common sense to me. GM has Hendrick, Ganassi, RCR, and others. Ford has Penske, SHR, Roush, and others. Toyota has JGR.....and one Leavine car.

I'm sure all three manufacturers have racing budgets set by the corporate bean counters. At this point, Toyota can afford to spend more per team. It is what it is.
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I mean, you just can't conclude that IMO.
 
2 Sweet said:
When this sport was really taking off in the 80s and 90s, we only had Ford and GM. Crazy how much times have changed.
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FWIW, GM was split into Chevy, Pontiac, Olds, and Buick at that time, so at least there were 5 different makes competing for a while. Buick left Cup at the end of the ‘91 season (though they stayed in BGN for another couple years after that), Olds bolted after the ‘92 season, and Pontiac hung around until 2003.
 
2 Sweet said:
Good point. This is another reason why NASCAR would benefit from another manufacturer joining.

When this sport was really taking off in the 80s and 90s, we only had Ford and GM. Crazy how much times have changed.
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Yep, and under the GM banner we had Chevy, Pontiac, Olds and Buick. And all of those makes had a distinctive look. I miss those days. I recall Junior bolting Chevy at the end of 1988. He was too far down on the totem pole. The #3 was top dog with Hendrick right on their heels. Labonte won a time or two for him in 89 in the Bud Thunderbird.
 
ToyYoda said:
FWIW, GM was split into Chevy, Pontiac, Olds, and Buick at that time, so at least there were 5 different makes competing for a while. Buick left Cup at the end of the ‘91 season (though they stayed in BGN for another couple years after that), Olds bolted after the ‘92 season, and Pontiac hung around until 2003.
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Like I said..."times change" :D
 
There are a lot of regionalists up in here.

Globalism is good for professional auto racing.
 
28car said:
The starting line up for Dover
15 Ford
17 Chevy
5 Toyota
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Ir looks like TRD has more to spend on fewer cars.

If I had a Toyota and you had one, the above fact would make us faster. This is essentially the whole idea behind auto racing, always has been and quite likely always will be ... unless someone figures out how to cost-cap a large group of liars and cheaters.
 
Revman said:
A couple of others have recognized the context of the conversation. I have hope for you. Cryptic Toyota comment remains cryptic. Whatevs...bud.
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What context? The original poster tossed this out and hasn't been seen since; his post is the cryptic comment. Everything since has been based entirely on assumptions, mostly the one you made in the fourth post.
 
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28car said:
no particular reason on why I didn’t notice this before

The starting line up for Dover
15 Ford
17 Chevy
5 Toyota
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I was out fishing all day yesterday on Lake Erie (did not take phone)

With how the Toyota‘s are running well and winning
I have heard that Toyota is ruining the sport and not just from folks on this board
For some reason
I was thinking there would be more Toyota’s than any other manufacture starting each race

Only 5 Toyota’s surprised me
 
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