FenderBumper
The "good old days" ??
Good race. Watching these teams go at it is cool, but next year should be great with so many fast teams right now.
Dwayne
Team Owner
Save for all the yellows that was a good race.
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#17D500winner
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That and add a couple of the younger NWS drivers running cup should liven things up a bit.
dpkimmel2001
Team Owner
Not a fan of all the wrecks but the cautions are what made that a race today.
Congrats to Matt and his fans.
Dammit anyway Double J.
Congrats to Matt and his fans.
Dammit anyway Double J.
Overall it was a crapshoot. Terrible racing surface clearly not ready for competition. I think the drivers did as well as they could've under the circumstances.
...not to mention the epic fail by Goodyear to provide an adequate tire for the fresh racing surface
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Kenseth deserves a lot of credit for being classy. He respects the organization he is driving for and he speaks with respect, and he is focused enough to keep driving it with skill and to win. Even when it’s obvious that he will not win this chase.
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#17D500winner
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Yeah and I seem to remember reading a few races back how Ford sucked, were the worst cars in the chase and the #17 had given up
I suppose I could've misunderstood.
Kenseth is not a quitter, that's why he's a Champion.Yeah and I seem to remember reading a few races back how Ford sucked, were the worst cars in the chase and the #17 had given up
Quitters never win and winners never quit.
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steveluvs3
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apparently you wasnt there, holds 73,000 official attendance 65,483Looks like another crappy crowd at a central US track.
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steveluvs3
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and thats the tracks fault? IMO goodyears fault, should of used a little softer tire
Attendence looked solid. And they got their moneys worth...great race!
Go back up the thread and read all of Brent's posts. He made that comment a little tongue in cheek.
Correct its not the tracks fault. Kansas doesn't provide a speedway for Goodyear, Goodyear provides a tire for Kansas Speedway.
PeopleAreStrange
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Attendence was 65,483? That's not very good considering attendence used to be 100,000 there.
I think Matt's wins are his way of giving Jack R the one-finger salute.
We also need to consider that the tire test was 7 or 8 weeks ago when the weather was considerably warmer. Could have made a difference with the tire compound.
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I don't know, Kenseth left on his own accord. Maybe he was feeling slighted about the Edwards deal and wasn't happy. Again, I don't know
The only time I ever heard him say anything about the organization was when they hired McMurray and Kenseth said that he wasn't consulted about the decision.
Matt has been with Jack for years. I can't imagine how he felt when, earlier this year, Jack said, in effect, that Carl Edwards was the "face" of Roush Racing. What does that make Matt --- chopped liver?
The last test at Kansas was just a few days before the race.
VaDirt
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I may catch flack for saying this, but I think Goodyear should have more of these "epic failures." I mean, with the near perfect tire that we've seen for years now, having something that's not 100% perfect sure does add something to the race.
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Brent
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It adds more crashes and...well, that's it. I don't think Almirola wants more of these failures.
But that wasn't a tire test --- it was to acclimate the drivers to the track.
And, I don't know that the blown right-fronts today were Goodyear's fault. Could have been set-up.
I agree. Denny did lose a tire and hit the wall though.
Goodyear isn't expected to provide the best tire for each specific track surface and weather conditions but I feel today that Goodyear failed to provide a tire that minimally met today's specific track and respective team expectations.
I don't feel that Matt is that kind of person. I believe Matt's wins this year are simply a great driver giving his best effort for his team and for his owner.
True, but it had to hurt when Jack came out with that statement.
I agree
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Racing and life it goes hand in hand. Both have a cadence, a rhythm of circles, sometimes it makes it sense, sometimes it don't. But you just keeping on digging and hope that just for today it will all work out, be it in racing or any other issue of life.
That's all we have, there are no guarantees not even having a life's breath when the day's done. While I trying to be a philosophical,I also could be just full of sheet, so for what it is worth....
Kenseth just strikes me as a complete racer, a consummate professional with the character. I don't see him as one wanting to settle petty grudges, at least not with a premeditated calculus. I am sure it had to hurt when Rousch and Ford invested so heavily into Edwards last year, and it was statement of priorities intended or not as it had to leave them with less to keep Matt.
Drivers by nature are competitive animals, and even a professing team player still wants to be the top dog. But Kenseth has always been sensible, and apart from the fat contract and youth Edwards has nothing on him. Matt has the championship, the Daytona 500s and he clearly has more racing accomplishments.
When the Home Depot JGR opportunity presented itself, I think Matt considered the long term personal family finances more than settling a score. I can't see some personal vendetta being a major factor. Neither is it like Kurt Busch's departure, who actually was willing to put Roush into a 18 month lame duck situation at the time.
Kenseth is leaving with honor and class. But it is bittersweet, Jack is going miss him for good reasons, especially when he looks at Carl.
That's all we have, there are no guarantees not even having a life's breath when the day's done. While I trying to be a philosophical,I also could be just full of sheet, so for what it is worth....
Kenseth just strikes me as a complete racer, a consummate professional with the character. I don't see him as one wanting to settle petty grudges, at least not with a premeditated calculus. I am sure it had to hurt when Rousch and Ford invested so heavily into Edwards last year, and it was statement of priorities intended or not as it had to leave them with less to keep Matt.
Drivers by nature are competitive animals, and even a professing team player still wants to be the top dog. But Kenseth has always been sensible, and apart from the fat contract and youth Edwards has nothing on him. Matt has the championship, the Daytona 500s and he clearly has more racing accomplishments.
When the Home Depot JGR opportunity presented itself, I think Matt considered the long term personal family finances more than settling a score. I can't see some personal vendetta being a major factor. Neither is it like Kurt Busch's departure, who actually was willing to put Roush into a 18 month lame duck situation at the time.
Kenseth is leaving with honor and class. But it is bittersweet, Jack is going miss him for good reasons, especially when he looks at Carl.
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That's something they're pretty good at, especially on fresh surfaces. The rock hard racing tire they produce is great at retaining heat. Instead of providing a soft tire that wears and would provide racing, they continue to bring the same hard tire that leads to the same issues and they don't wear.
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MOEJOE
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put 150,000 seats at IOWA. And they will be full every time.
dpkimmel2001
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Are there 150,000 fans that even know where Iowa is? I'm just saying.
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steveluvs3
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There used to be 80,000 plus seats but it got knocked down to 75,000 when they tore 5,000 out to make more space between seats in upper grandstand and that was jus a seat count, Im sure there was at least 90,000 at that track.
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steveluvs3
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yeah u might be right 1st or second time but the crowds start dewindeling down after they get used to it, when kansas opened up there were 100,000 people there for qualifying, hell even the ARCA race sold out but in time and lousy economy and yur not so diehard racefans quit comin.
dpkimmel2001
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Kansas attendance
2002 Attendance: 78,000
2003 Attendance: 80,000
2004 Attendance: 90,000
2005 Attendance: 125,000
2006 Attendance: 125,000
2007 Attendance: 110,000
2008 Attendance: 100,000
2009 Attendance: 100,000
2010 Attendance: 100,000
2011 Attendance: 80,000
2012 Attendance: 82,000
2002 Attendance: 78,000
2003 Attendance: 80,000
2004 Attendance: 90,000
2005 Attendance: 125,000
2006 Attendance: 125,000
2007 Attendance: 110,000
2008 Attendance: 100,000
2009 Attendance: 100,000
2010 Attendance: 100,000
2011 Attendance: 80,000
2012 Attendance: 82,000
FenderBumper
The "good old days" ??
Kinda hard to blame lower attendance on just the economy.
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steveluvs3
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would love a link too those #'s, I was there for 1st,2nd and 3rd year of racing and it was sold out, the capacity seating was 80,000 and the first year of racing was 2001 and you have 2011 and 12 sold out and I know it wasnt because capacity is only 72,000 now and it wasnt sold out
dpkimmel2001
Team Owner
Maybe I did something wrong when I cut/pasted from my phone. Idk
racing-reference.info
Lots of good stuff can be found there.
Your numbers are spot on DP, except 2010, there was 80K there that year. If there are 72K seats at Kansas that wouldn't include those that are not in numbered seats. I have never seen the infield empty at a race track.