Kenseth fails post race insp

Look , these guys can find a way around any rule and still stay within it. Look at the pit road speed limit. Simple right? But the crews found you can speed up between the timing lines and not break the speed limit.
 
Without knowing the specifics of the infraction I can't say whether or not the penalty is just. What's obvious is the penalty is not penalizing the team in any competitive way.

Maybe that's because the infraction was mild, or maybe it's because NASCAR is soft idk. What I can say is "penalties" to regular season points are anything but and at the very least chase points should be removed. Even its just 5.... It doesn't have to be a season killer but at least make it meaningful or don't penalize at all.
 
He knows that.

Wise guy? Huh ... is Kevin Harvick still going to HMS?

On one of my favorite topics...rear steer.....Since the truck arm mounts to the rear must be welded now, obviously they must be working in the forward mount area. What are some possibilities of what they might be doing?
 
I'd love to look at one on a hoist. I have no idea.
 
Yabbut.

David Ragan won a race at Talladega in 2013 When the race was OVER, he still hadn't cracked the top 20.

Dark horse ... another small thing that makes racing interesting and worth watching.
Has nothing to do with what I am saying.
If you get to keep the win and you and your team suck anyway, why not cheat big and get the win? Who gives. **** about points?
Or do they reset this Charter deal bases on points T end of year? If so I can see a deterrent.
 
You'd need lasers
I'd be looking at the way the truck arms mount at the front. The wheelbase rules allow either side to be 1" longer than the other ... a static measurement.

Dynamically, the housing "****s" some more under acceleration and cornering loads. Skew. The herky jerky steering inputs after the race are intended to ensure that it moves back and passes the post-race laser inspection. Kenseth's didn't. The same thing happened to the 18 earlier in the season and cost them a pole.
 
Yeah but a 20 something place driver isn't making the Chase or getting a legitimate win anyway.
Has nothing to do with what I am saying.
If you get to keep the win and you and your team suck anyway, why not cheat big and get the win? Who gives. sh!t about points?
Or do they reset this Charter deal bases on points T end of year? If so I can see a deterrent.
It has everything to do with part of what you said. See above.

If I was even remotely interested in the rest of it, I would have said so. I'm not.
 
I'd be looking at the way the truck arms mount at the front. The wheelbase rules allow either side to be 1" longer than the other ... a static measurement.

Dynamically, the housing "****s" some more under acceleration and cornering loads. Skew. The herky jerky steering inputs after the race are intended to ensure that it moves back and passes the post-race laser inspection. Kenseth's didn't. The same thing happened to the 18 earlier in the season and cost them a pole.
I'm guessing the left truck arm would be the shorter?
 
They have to be the same length. The entire apparatus somehow swings to a limit.
 
I'd be looking at the way the truck arms mount at the front. The wheelbase rules allow either side to be 1" longer than the other ... a static measurement.

Dynamically, the housing "****s" some more under acceleration and cornering loads. Skew. The herky jerky steering inputs after the race are intended to ensure that it moves back and passes the post-race laser inspection. Kenseth's didn't. The same thing happened to the 18 earlier in the season and cost them a pole.

So, the laser detects the toe out of spec because the housing didn't shift back as it should have? Good stuff. Additionally, 0 toe (Michigan and Kentucky) probably makes the team more aggressive with whatever they are doing with those mounts to get the skew they want. NASCAR has to be able to tell what they are doing, but must be okay with it as long as everything shifts back into place. Kurt talked about how the JGR cars were on the gas two to three car lengths earlier than everybody else. Would think that this would be significant this weekend. Freakin' awesome stuff. I love this sport.

Wonder how bad the JGR guys were hurt by the welding of the arms to the housing. Maybe they were focused on the forward mounts the whole time, or this just made the forward mounts more critical. Damn.
 
Deliberately preparing a device to run outside the rules is outright cheating IMO.
 
It has everything to do with part of what you said. See above.

If I was even remotely interested in the rest of it, I would have said so. I'm not.
Again, you don't get the point and whatever you are saying has nothing to do with it.
If a team sucks and has no chance at winning fairly and zero chance at Chase but wants a "win" why not cheat big, get your "win", and go down in the record book as a "winner"?
Ruetimans points position after a win is a completely different scenario.
Apples and oranges.
 
Again, you don't get the point and whatever you are saying has nothing to do with it.
If a team sucks and has no chance at winning fairly and zero chance at Chase but wants a "win" why not cheat big, get your "win", and go down in the record book as a "winner"?
Ruetimans points position after a win is a completely different scenario.
Apples and oranges.
I'm not interested in your point, other than the ridiculous comment I re-quoted.

And I referenced Ragan winning, not Reutimann. Presumably neither of their wins was legitimate in your mind. That's not a surprise.
 
I'm not interested in your point, other than the ridiculous comment I re-quoted.

And I referenced Ragan winning, not Reutimann. Presumably neither of their wins was legitimate in your mind. That's not a surprise.
Never said anything good or bad about their wins as neither have anything to do with my statement. You brought up Ragan (my bad mistakingly thinking you said Reuti) and still provides no argument having anything to do with what I said.
So if my statement is rediculous you respond with statements completely out of left field. Got it Matlock.
 
Deliberately preparing a device to run outside the rules is outright cheating IMO.
It's really great that a new generation of fans are joining in on this 60+ year old debate . We have had some great cheaters in the history of Nascar . Smokey Yunich was a famous one , like I said before Robin Pemberton was hired by Nascar because of it , my own guy Bill Elliott was rumoured to have a few horsepower more than anyone else , Chad Knaus ,of course ; suffice to say that they number in the hundreds and they all contributed to moving the sport forward. We also perpetuate the debate over the lack of freedom that Nascar allows the team to innovate and try new things . The more things change, the more they stay the same.
 
Never said anything good or bad about their wins as neither have anything to do with my statement. You brought up Ragan (my bad mistakingly thinking you said Reuti) and still provides no argument having anything to do with what I said.
I didn't choose to respond to respond to your comments about the consequences of post-race inspection failures.

Rather, I simply pointed out that from time to time, obscure wins actually happen ... which is contrary to what you SAID. I think people enjoy those rather infrequent events. Isn't it one of the reasons we watch?
 
Has nothing to do with what I am saying.
If you get to keep the win and you and your team suck anyway, why not cheat big and get the win? Who gives. sh!t about points?
Or do they reset this Charter deal bases on points T end of year? If so I can see a deterrent.
Go messing with the fuel as you suggested and they'll likely void the win. The Waltrip violation was detected pre-race (pre-practice, if I recall), so that's not an exact comparison. I don't know that such a violation has been picked up post-race in the modern 'Cup' era, but I expect NASCAR would drop the hammer big time. The other owners aren't going to have your back. Bye-bye charter, maybe? Gas man and crew chief will likely lose hard cards and be blackballed. Oh, and let's talk about how the sponsor will feel about it. MWR lost NAPA as a direct result of Bowyer's Spin-gate.

I don't know how refilling a fuel can works. Is some type of seal or deterrent applied after the can is filled (by a Sunoco employee, I assume, possibly with NASCAR oversight)?

Too many negative outcomes just to get your name in a book once or collect a single winner's check.
 
I didn't choose to respond to respond to your comments about the consequences of post-race inspection failures.

Rather, I simply pointed out that from time to time, obscure wins actually happen ... which is contrary to what you SAID. I think people enjoy those rather infrequent events. Isn't it one of the reasons we watch?

Sure it is. I enjoy those almost as much as when Mark won and when Brad wins. Maybe even more than when Harvick has bad luck or a bad race. My point is if a team wants to steal a win and has nothing else to lose given the repercussions of a P6 penalty, why not?
 
Sure it is. I enjoy those almost as much as when Mark won and when Brad wins. Maybe even more than when Harvick has bad luck or a bad race. My point is if a team wants to steal a win and has nothing else to lose given the repercussions of a P6 penalty, why not?
See Mr. Spencer's post.
 
MWR lost NAPA as a direct result of Bowyer's Spin-gate.
I doubt it was just Bowyer, more to do with the organisations actions as a whole. I also think they were considering an exit anyway and this was their big chance at doing so without any buy-out or contract violation.
 
I doubt it was just Bowyer, more to do with the organisations actions as a whole. I also think they were considering an exit anyway and this was their big chance at doing so without any buy-out or contract violation.
Yeah ... so they stuck around for another 82 races.
 
Okay, so that exact example is debatable. We've still seen drivers and teams get in trouble with sponsors, occasionally deep enough to endanger the relationship. M&M's has put Kyle on a short leash a time or two.

The car chief and pit crew coach may also have their careers on the line. I doubt anyone directly involved would be accepted in any touring series. That's a lot of careers on the line, especially if the sponsor walks. For a single-car team, that could be the end.

And don't even bother appealing.
 
Has nothing to do with what I am saying.
If you get to keep the win and you and your team suck anyway, why not cheat big and get the win? Who gives. sh!t about points?
Or do they reset this Charter deal bases on points T end of year? If so I can see a deterrent.
They get more money the higher in the points they finish
 
There are going to be repercussions sure, but for Danica why not? Doesn't matter she doesn't have much business out there skill wise she still is popular and a cash cow and sponsors clamor to her. A win would be HUGE legal or not.
 
There are going to be repercussions sure, but for Danica why not? Doesn't matter she doesn't have much business out there skill wise she still is popular and a cash cow and sponsors clamor to her. A win would be HUGE legal or not.
There are more people on the #10 team than Danica, people with jobs on the line. Nobody puts the names of the gas man and the tire specialist in the record books. They may not even get performance bonuses on a weekly basis. You're asking them to risk their careers for no personal gain, so someone else who is taking no additional risks can go in the record books with a huge asterisk beside her name.

This isn't just about Danica.
 
After all the comments, WTH was actually wrong with the 20? With the measly penalty that was imposed, it pays to cheat. Cheating is cheating, so if I were behind the wheel, I'd take off in turn 3 on a re-start. pass the pace car and go for it. Even if I were in 15th place. I'd get to keep the "win" and they could deduct their penalty out of my paycheck.
 
After all the comments, WTH was actually wrong with the 20? With the measly penalty that was imposed, it pays to cheat. Cheating is cheating, so if I were behind the wheel, I'd take off in turn 3 on a re-start. pass the pace car and go for it. Even if I were in 15th place. I'd get to keep the "win" and they could deduct their penalty out of my paycheck.
A lot of you keep assuming that just because NASCAR has never taken a win away, that they won't ever take one away. Pull that stunt and you're going to be black flagged. Keep going three or four or laps and they'll stop scoring you and you'll get credit for a DNF.
 
There are going to be repercussions sure, but for Danica why not? Doesn't matter she doesn't have much business out there skill wise she still is popular and a cash cow and sponsors clamor to her. A win would be HUGE legal or not.

It is pretty cool that you are able to work Danica into the thread about cheating . Because ..you know .. she's a girl ...and all girls cheat .
 
A lot of you keep assuming that just because NASCAR has never taken a win away, that they won't ever take one away. Pull that stunt and you're going to be black flagged. Keep going three or four or laps and they'll stop scoring you and you'll get credit for a DNF.
Geez, No kidding? My point is that cheating is cheating no matter how you do it.
 
The problem is, if you get caught cheating during the race, you receive a stop and go or pass through penalty which pretty much guarantees you will not win the race. Post race penalties are pathetic. Skew penalty post race almost nothing, lug nut penalty in race, 25th place finish.
 
Some keep forgetting that Nascar's Charity War Chest is built with fines from drivers and teams. That is the reason for all those post race inspections....... to see who donates this week. :D
 
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