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  • Unofficial Top 25 in 2016 Sprint Cup Driver Points Standings (not the Chase):
    [after Homestead, race 36 of 36]
    (using current points system, but not the Chase rules, unofficial)
    1) #4-Kevin Harvick(C8), 1159
    2) #22-Joey Logano(C2), 1133, -26
    3) #18-Kyle Busch(C3), 1105, -54
    4) #2-Brad Keselowski(C12), 1089, -70
    5) #11-Denny Hamlin(C6), 1084, -75
    6) #41-Kurt Busch(C7), 1055, -104
    7) #48-Jimmie Johnson(CHAMP), 1007, -152
    8) #19-Carl Edwards(C4), 1005, -154
    9) #20-Matt Kenseth(C5), 997, -162
    10) #78-Martin Truex Jr.(C11), 991, -168
    11) #24-Chase Elliott#(C10), 966, -193
    12) #42-Kyle Larson(C9), 931, -228
    13) #1-Jamie McMurray(C13), 907, -252
    14) #3-Austin Dillon(C14), 902, -257
    15) #5-Kasey Kahne, 898, -261
    16) #31-Ryan Newman, 895, -264
    17) #47-AJ Allmendinger, 830, -329
    18) #21-Ryan Blaney#, 812, -347
    19) #17-Ricky Stenhouse Jr., 772, -387
    20) #6-Trevor Bayne, 762, -397
    21) #16-Greg Biffle, 691, -468
    22) #10-Danica Patrick, 689, -470
    23) #27-Paul Menard, 678, -481
    24) #14-Tony Stewart(C15), 642, -517
    25) #43-Aric Almirola, 638, -521
    28) #34-Chris Buescher#(C16), 541, -618
    (C# = chase driver and final Chase position)
    (11-20-2016)
 
I am sure that several of the drivers would have raced differently if the correct point system was used as opposed to the lottery system we have now. In that regard you can't get an accurate comparison but it is fun to look at.
 
  • Unofficial Top 25 in 2016 Sprint Cup Driver Points Standings (not the Chase):
    [after Homestead, race 36 of 36]
    (using current points system, but not the Chase rules, unofficial)
    1) #4-Kevin Harvick(C8), 1159
    2) #22-Joey Logano(C2), 1133, -26
    3) #18-Kyle Busch(C3), 1105, -54
    4) #2-Brad Keselowski(C12), 1089, -70
    5) #11-Denny Hamlin(C6), 1084, -75
    6) #41-Kurt Busch(C7), 1055, -104
    7) #48-Jimmie Johnson(CHAMP), 1007, -152
    8) #19-Carl Edwards(C4), 1005, -154
    9) #20-Matt Kenseth(C5), 997, -162
    10) #78-Martin Truex Jr.(C11), 991, -168
    11) #24-Chase Elliott#(C10), 966, -193
    12) #42-Kyle Larson(C9), 931, -228
    13) #1-Jamie McMurray(C13), 907, -252
    14) #3-Austin Dillon(C14), 902, -257
    15) #5-Kasey Kahne, 898, -261
    16) #31-Ryan Newman, 895, -264
    17) #47-AJ Allmendinger, 830, -329
    18) #21-Ryan Blaney#, 812, -347
    19) #17-Ricky Stenhouse Jr., 772, -387
    20) #6-Trevor Bayne, 762, -397
    21) #16-Greg Biffle, 691, -468
    22) #10-Danica Patrick, 689, -470
    23) #27-Paul Menard, 678, -481
    24) #14-Tony Stewart(C15), 642, -517
    25) #43-Aric Almirola, 638, -521
    28) #34-Chris Buescher#(C16), 541, -618
    (C# = chase driver and final Chase position)
    (11-20-2016)

People wonder why attendance and ratings are way down.........
 
2014 - Cup Champion: Kevin Harvick


Non-'Chase' standings after this race:
Rank Driver Points Diff
1 Jeff Gordon 1253
2 Joey Logano 1216 -37
3 Brad Keselowski 1179 -74
4 Dale Earnhardt, Jr. 1175 -78
5 Kevin Harvick 1167 -86
6 Ryan Newman 1135 -118
7 Matt Kenseth 1131 -122
8 Kyle Larson 1080 -173
9 Jimmie Johnson 1067 -186
10 Carl Edwards 1059 -194
11 Jamie McMurray 1014 -239
12 Greg Biffle 1000 -253
13 Denny Hamlin 986 -267
14 Clint Bowyer 979 -274
15 Kyle Busch 969 -284
16 Kasey Kahne 966 -287
17 Austin Dillon 958 -295
18 Paul Menard 944 -309
19 Brian Vickers 921 -332
20 Kurt Busch 911 -342
 
Unofficial Top 25 in 2015 Sprint Cup Driver Points Standings (not the Chase): [after Homestead, race 36 of 36]
(using current points system, but not the Chase rules, unofficial)
1) #4-Kevin Harvick(C1), 1321
2) #22-Joey Logano(EC), 1299, -22
3) #2-Brad Keselowski(EC), 1217, -104
4) #88-Dale Earnhardt Jr. (EC), 1198, -123
5) #78-Martin Truex Jr.(C4), 1165, -156
6) #48-Jimmie Johnson(EC), 1155, -166
7) #11-Denny Hamlin(EC), 1117, -204
8) #24-Jeff Gordon(C2), 1110, -211
9) #41-Kurt Busch(EC), 1108, -213
10) #19-Carl Edwards(EC), 1108, -213

2010 Sprint Cup Driver 'Classic' Points Standings: [after Homestead, race 36 of 36....the OLD way]:
rank, car#, driver, points, behind
1) #29-Kevin Harvick, 5274
2) #48-Jimmie Johnson, 4989, -285
3) #11-Denny Hamlin, 4865, -409
4) #99-Carl Edwards, 4820, -454
5) #24-Jeff Gordon, 4669, -605
6) #18-Kyle Busch, 4647, -627
7) #17-Matt Kenseth, 4640, -634
8) #14-Tony Stewart, 4628, -646
9) #2-Kurt Busch, 4459, -815
10) #31-Jeff Burton, 4423, -851

Won one he didn't deserve but lost three that he did. :idunno:
 
Unofficial Top 25 in 2015 Sprint Cup Driver Points Standings (not the Chase): [after Homestead, race 36 of 36]
(using current points system, but not the Chase rules, unofficial)
1) #4-Kevin Harvick(C1), 1321
2) #22-Joey Logano(EC), 1299, -22
3) #2-Brad Keselowski(EC), 1217, -104
4) #88-Dale Earnhardt Jr. (EC), 1198, -123
5) #78-Martin Truex Jr.(C4), 1165, -156
6) #48-Jimmie Johnson(EC), 1155, -166
7) #11-Denny Hamlin(EC), 1117, -204
8) #24-Jeff Gordon(C2), 1110, -211
9) #41-Kurt Busch(EC), 1108, -213
10) #19-Carl Edwards(EC), 1108, -213

2010 Sprint Cup Driver 'Classic' Points Standings: [after Homestead, race 36 of 36....the OLD way]:
rank, car#, driver, points, behind
1) #29-Kevin Harvick, 5274
2) #48-Jimmie Johnson, 4989, -285
3) #11-Denny Hamlin, 4865, -409
4) #99-Carl Edwards, 4820, -454
5) #24-Jeff Gordon, 4669, -605
6) #18-Kyle Busch, 4647, -627
7) #17-Matt Kenseth, 4640, -634
8) #14-Tony Stewart, 4628, -646
9) #2-Kurt Busch, 4459, -815
10) #31-Jeff Burton, 4423, -851

Won one he didn't deserve but lost three that he did. :idunno:

I think thats the problem, this sport doesn't award the best driver over the stretch of the entire season.

I don't care who the driver is, if they are the best over the entire season, then they should be the champion.
 
Do you people not watch other sports? Teams that dominate the regular season don't always win the championship.
True enough. That's what NASCAR has become..... Just another sport. That's what many of us don't like about this format of a Championship in this sport. It was always the best in the sport that took home the hardware at season's end. It's no longer that way and I think all of us realize that this is the format that is now set in stone. At the same time it's hard not to profess a dislike for something that you/I don't agree with.
 
Kevin got robbed of nothing. Him & 42 other drivers knew and understood the points system going into the 2016 season. Kevin knew what he needed to do to perform and he came up short.

Too bad, so sad, try again in 2017.
 
I'll say it again it's not fair to discredit Jimmie (or whoever the champion may be), their team, and their sponsors. They performed when they most needed to, Harvick didn't. If he and his team didn't choke at Martinsville maybe he would've won, but it's moot.
 
am i correct is saying that a driver can win every single race expect for the last one, and not win the championship?

I don't know if thats true or not, im confused by the chase system, but i think thats true.

Can someone clear that up for me?
 
Kevin got robbed of nothing. Him & 42 other drivers knew and understood the points system going into the 2016 season. Kevin knew what he needed to do to perform and he came up short.

Too bad, so sad, try again in 2017.
Harvick did what he had to do to outscore everyone else in points over the entire season.

Johnson did what had to do to advance into the chase and maximize his chance to get into the homestead bowl.

I still prefer the former way of winning.
 
I think thats the problem, this sport doesn't award the best driver over the stretch of the entire season.

I don't care who the driver is, if they are the best over the entire season, then they should be the champion.

It used too. points were based on finishing position, the higher in the finishing order the more point they received. But it was another brilliant idea to create excitement for the last races when competing against foosball.
IMO it created excrement and not excitement.
 
am i correct is saying that a driver can win every single race expect for the last one, and not win the championship?

I don't know if thats true or not, im confused by the chase system, but i think thats true.

Can someone clear that up for me?
Yes, theoretically that can occur.
 
It used too. points were based on finishing position, the higher in the finishing order the more point they received. But it was another brilliant idea to create excitement for the last races when competing against foosball.
IMO it created excrement and not excitement.

Oh i know, believe or not, the sport was growing pretty rapidly when they had that points system.
 
Harvick did what he had to do to outscore everyone else in points over the entire season.

Johnson did what had to do to advance into the chase and maximize his chance to get into the homestead bowl.

I still prefer the former way of winning.

Johnson performed when it mattered, Harvick didn't. :idunno:

It's like the old saying goes, you don't win a race on lap one.
 
Harvick ended up finishing 8th in points.

Does anybody think Harvick was the 8th best driver this year?
 
Yeah the chase system is silly, should be just based on points throughout the season like most other racing circuits.
 
Even for stick and ball sports, you need a series to prevent what just happened. Otherwise you end up with 8 and 8 teams winning the super bowl. Baseball does it right, by condensing the playoffs into one month, with just 8 teams(the wild card game barely counts as part of the playoffs imo). NHL and NBA would be examples of why you don't allow half the teams into the post season, 3 months to figure a champion is ridiculous, especially when 8, or more, teams had no business being in it. The system NASCAR went with is just dumb, and wasn't thought through at all. It is like they took the worst from all the major sports. Nearly half of the competitive field, way too long to crown a champion, and the randomness that a single game provides.
 
I didn't mind the old chase, as the driver who won it was usually one of the best drivers of the season. Below is where the chase champions would have finished with "classic" points:

2004 - Kurt Busch (4th)
2005 - Tony Stewart (1st)
2006 - Jimmie Johnson (1st)
2007 - Jimmie Johnson (2nd)
2008 - Jimmie Johnson (2nd)
2009 - Jimmie Johnson (1st)
2010 - Jimmie Johnson (2nd)
2011 - Tony Stewart (3rd)
2012 - Brad Keselowski (1st)
2013 - Jimmie Johnson (1st)

Now here's where it goes off the rails....

2014 - Kevin Harvick (5th)
2015 - Kyle Busch (20th)
2016 - Jimmie Johnson (7th)
 
Says a lot about the format that, in the three years it's been in place, the one year that Harvick wasn't the best driver is the year he won the championship.
 
I always hate when people compare it to other sports. The other sports(hockey, baseball, football, basketball, etc) it's not like you're playing every single person every single week. You have to have some sort of playoffs to see who the best is. Nascar you got 40 teams out there every single week, every single race. You get to see who the best of the best is. You got a chance to beat ALL of them every week. Where in say Football you got a chance to beat only the Giants one week, the Steelers one week, the Falcons, Saints, etc, etc. You don't even face every team. You could beat every team you face, then lose in the playoffs to some team you didn't even meet until the Playoffs. So don't go saying "OTHER SPORTS GOT PLAYOFFS!" at least until all 32 football teams are on one field every single week.
 
Kevin didn't get the memo in 'Tona? I think NASCAR had it wrong from 49 to 2003. I would have loved to see a Chase race at Fonda NY in 67 and/or at the track that Cuomo destroyed. No sandbagging at the last race of the season is a racefan's dream.
 
It seems to me that NASCAR should acknowledge the season points winner in some way, either with an award or with an automatic advance in the playoffs. I think a driver who can win the cup and the season points would be something special.
 
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