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He has seen some great ones
Larson is no doubt special. Not sure I'd agree here though, give me Tony. But he's still special and has a career of true greatness ahead of himHe has seen some great ones
Thank you so much. For you to take the time to do this means a lot. Maybe, I am actually more objective than I thought? Oh hell no. LOL.Want to give @Revman a shout out here. For all the crap people give him, and all the opinions people have dismissed by him, he called this shot WAY before anyone else. Way before Larson even won his second race of the season. Way before we learned he can close out races. Way before his weaknesses in the 42 were no longer present..Rev dismissed them and more or less called the end of the season.
Just giving credit where it's due.
Yessir. I cleaned out the Tapatalk app, so when I opened up the thread, I wasn't logged in. This brought me to the top of the thread so I took the time and read through it.Thank you so much. For you to take the time to do this means a lot. Maybe, I am actually more objective than I thought? Oh hell no. LOL.
His leadership, tone etc was there, he just struggled to adjust a car late into the race, and we saw this early this year as well.
JJ was over the hill, Cliff was new. I think Cliff grew this year as a CC.
But if I wasn't clear, my point was moreso about his personality than anything else.
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His edge seemed gone, then with NASCAR changing the package, and him having to relearn how to apply his skillset to the momentum package, I think he just was sort of riding around using up seat time. There was an agressive precision to his style that just seemed to disappear.Yeah I think that Pocono wreck did it for Jimmie. That brake failure spooked him and he never was the same driver again
Not only did they win the championship, but they won it in grand style with a dominating performance most of the year.
Yep...I'm bummed that they moved the Turkey Night Grand Prix at Ventura that Larson usually races in to Saturday night this year because I have a slot car race scheduled so I won't be able to make the Ventura race.You can take the girl out of the dirt track, but you can't take the dirt track out of the girl
It's possible that somebody will tape it, Larson is going to be a big drawYep...I'm bummed that they moved the Turkey Night Grand Prix at Ventura that Larson usually races in to Saturday night this year because I have a slot car race scheduled so I won't be able to make the Ventura race.
I was kind of figuring Bowman might be there too and we could shoot the breeze a little.It's possible that somebody will tape it, Larson is going to be a big draw
He led the most laps in the history of Nascar and tied Jimmy Johnson's record of 10 wins in a season. Both of those aren't going away no matter what seasons ahead he has.I know give the guy a break, he just won the championship
So if next year
Larson goes winless and/or misses playoffs
Is he‘s not the best driver ever and 2021 was just a fluke
sure anything can happen
he can win 20 races next year
greatest driver ever based on one year?
he has a long way to 40 or even 50 wins
or even another championship
I don't think laps led is a very good stat to be using as a comparison in a year like this one. Given the current rules IMO its a lot easier for a driver to lead a ton of laps. The aero/hp package makes passing difficult at a lot of tracks. The way the starting positions are determined also helps a lot. If you finished good last week, you start near the front this week, that helps a ton.He led the most laps in the history of Nascar and tied Jimmy Johnson's record of 10 wins in a season. Both of those aren't going away no matter what seasons ahead he has.
If it's easier, surely some other talented people would have eaten into Larson's total. The guy led more laps in 2021 than anyone else has ever led in any year since the beginning of time.I don't think laps led is a very good stat to be using as a comparison in a year like this one. Given the current rules IMO its a lot easier for a driver to lead a ton of laps. The aero/hp package makes passing difficult at a lot of tracks. The way the starting positions are determined also helps a lot. If you finished good last week, you start near the front this week, that helps a ton.
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I think I explained it pretty well above how this season made it easier than previous seasons to lead more laps.......If it's easier, surely some other talented people would have eaten into Larson's total. The guy led more laps in 2021 than anyone else has ever led in any year since the beginning of time.
Minimize that.
Eh I don't agree with the lack of passing for the lead statement. In fact I think it is harder to lead a race. Phelps thinks so too and I bet he has access to the data to prove it.I don't think laps led is a very good stat to be using as a comparison in a year like this one. Given the current rules IMO its a lot easier for a driver to lead a ton of laps. The aero/hp package makes passing difficult at a lot of tracks. The way the starting positions are determined also helps a lot. If you finished good last week, you start near the front this week, that helps a ton.
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It's would be interesting to look at those number and see how many of those passes occurred within a lap or two of a restart.Eh I don't agree with the lack of passing for the lead statement. In fact I think it is harder to lead a race. Phelps thinks so too and I bet he has access to the data to prove it.
“You look at green-flag passes for the lead, I think it’s the second [most] since 2007. The most passing throughout the field that we’ve had ever.”
They have always had restarts. Please save us from the fake cautions yammering in comparison to the stages. Either way they have had plenty of cautions for measurements to be madeIt's would be interesting to look at those number and see how many of those passes occurred within a lap or two of a restart.
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Your explanation doesn't register with me.I think I explained it pretty well above how this season made it easier than previous seasons to lead more laps.......
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The reason I bring it up is because one would think that passes in the laps immediately following a restart had to of increased as a result of the choose cone. You can now organize pushes easier snd start in the preferred line.They have always had restarts. Please save us from the fake cautions yammering in comparison to the stages. Either way they have had plenty of cautions for measurements to be made
I don't know, but this I do know for sure...with the Next Gen car, 2022 is a mulligan. No book. No real race experience. Crap shot. My only question is, how long before the top teams figure it out and have the big advantage?I know give the guy a break, he just won the championship
So if next year
Larson goes winless and/or misses playoffs
Is he‘s not the best driver ever and 2021 was just a fluke
sure anything can happen
he can win 20 races next year
greatest driver ever based on one year?
he has a long way to 40 or even 50 wins
or even another championship
Half a season or shorter would be my guess. Engines, aero, and handling they are already working on. They have quite a bit of info from the various tire tests I would thinkI don't know, but this I do know for sure...with the Next Gen car, 2022 is a mulligan. No book. No real race experience. Crap shot. My only question is, how long before the top teams figure it out and have the big advantage?
My God really? I'll put money on it that those down home shorts and blouse cost more than you could possibly. That's designer **** these days. Okay, I'm done...continue the narrative....Where were we? Salt of the earth....down home folk.....got it.One of the things I like about the Larson Family is they are so down to earth and don't seem to flaunt their wealth. For instance, Katelyn knew there was a pretty good chance Kyle would win the championship and there would be a lot of pictures taken after the race was finished, and yet she still wore old cutoff shorts and a white blouse. I love that about her. She is just having a good time, while raising their kids on the road and at race tracks across the country while supporting Kyles racing endeavors. I'm sure that can't always be as easy as and fun as she makes it look.
Don't **** with the narrative. He is Jesus behind the wheel.I know give the guy a break, he just won the championship
So if next year
Larson goes winless and/or misses playoffs
Is he‘s not the best driver ever and 2021 was just a fluke
sure anything can happen
he can win 20 races next year
greatest driver ever based on one year?
he has a long way to 40 or even 50 wins
or even another championship
I've got a feeling I know who will get the jump.....and I will say this....I have 0 interest in listening to ANY driver **** talk the direction NASCAR is going with this. I support it 100%, and it fascinates the **** out of me. I can't wait. I feel like MTJ gives it a year, and walks. KFB might not be far behind....Half a season or shorter would be my guess. Engines, aero, and handling they are already working on. They have quite a bit of info from the various tire tests I would think
I think the car is going to need some tweaks when it goes from testing to week to week racing. Some drivers will have a field day complaining, most won't say much. That's my guess. Going from the drawing board to real life almost always will point out some flaws in the design.I've got a feeling I know who will get the jump.....and I will say this....I have 0 interest in listening to ANY driver **** talk the direction NASCAR is going with this. I support it 100%, and it fascinates the **** out of me. I can't wait. I feel like MTJ gives it a year, and walks. KFB might not be far behind....
That trophy is 70 pounds. You can see the struggle in his face.
Neither of those are accurate stats. Johnson's 10 wins isn't a record. Gordon, Dale, DW have all won more in the modern era.He led the most laps in the history of Nascar and tied Jimmy Johnson's record of 10 wins in a season. Both of those aren't going away no matter what seasons ahead he has.
Again, the laps lead record simply isn't true.If it's easier, surely some other talented people would have eaten into Larson's total. The guy led more laps in 2021 than anyone else has ever led in any year since the beginning of time.
Minimize that.
Totally fair. Rather, the side by side racing, as well as the aero issues making it near impossible to pass will register constant "passes" on the leaderboard, as long as one car is a few inches ahead. A driver may take 8 laps to pass a car. One lap, his nose is an inch ahead, the next lap, after failing to complete the pass, the slower car regains the positon. That can go on 5 or 6 times during a battle. That 8 laps of side by side racing can very well show 6 "passes" on the leaderboard in that 8 lap run, even though it was merely 1 car attempting the pass the 3rd.The reason I bring it up is because one would think that passes in the laps immediately following a restart had to of increased as a result of the choose cone. You can now organize pushes easier snd start in the preferred line.
I would have also expected an increase when they went to double file restarts
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Neither of those are accurate stats. Johnson's 10 wins isn't a record. Gordon, Dale, DW have all won more in the modern era.
Larson's lap lead record is for the 36 race season. Dale Sr lead over 3,000 laps in 33 races, Gordon lead over 2600 in 33 races.
I'm loving this season by Larson, but there's a lot of inaccurate stats being tossed around, or at the very least, carefully worded.
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My bad. Thanks for the correction. I counted on their numbers.Again, the laps lead record simply isn't true.
And I cannot believe that Phelps said that on live TV, and that the media has run with it.
Dale Sr lead over 3,000 laps in 87 in a 33 race schedule. Gordon lead over 2600 in a 33 race schedule.
Larson's record is for the 36 race schedule. It's not the most laps lead ever. It's the most laps lead since 2001. Not only is it not the most ever, but drivers have lead more with fewer races, IN the modern era.
Nascar media needs to get their stat checker right.
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