Kyle larson is robby gordon 2.0

Discussion in 'NASCAR chat' started by kyle busch 18, Feb 27, 2019.

  1. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    I think part of that is because they have so many rules at the track in the pits these days. They have added more timing lines everywhere, have cameras watching everybodies moves, penalties for having your foot down too soon, uncontrolled tire is a joke, they loosened it up a bit this year but still pretty over the top, they reduced the number of pit crews doing their jobs, all this has increased the mistakes for everybody but especially for the younger drivers who have never had to deal with that before. a lot of knocking the rust off with pit stop mistakes so far this year. I don't know what has got into Hamlin, no speeding penalties so far. They might have rigged up his dash lights or something.
     
  2. AndyMarquisLive

    AndyMarquisLive Short Track Fanatic

    Funny, I always thought Robby Gordon was an overachiever. He won three races in the 31 car - a car that never won a points race up until then.
     
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  3. DUN24

    DUN24 Skeptical of the Spectacle

    I've never seen Robby Gordon sweep a weekend... and I'm a Robby fan.
     
  4. DUN24

    DUN24 Skeptical of the Spectacle

  5. DaBiff1618

    DaBiff1618 Team Owner

  6. RacerrecaR

    RacerrecaR Orange cone

    Both drivers are insanely talented but are best suited for anything not paved stock car oval track racing. If Larson & (prime) Gordon teamed-up in open-wheel, dirt, rally, etc., they would be unstoppable. I'm not a fan of either because they come off as being arrogant, but I won't deny their talent level and would love to see Larson go IndyCar full time.
     
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  7. Formerjackman

    Formerjackman Team Owner

    Fair enough, but he didn't have the same level of success that Harvick had with the team, and not only did RCR not keep him, nobody else was beating his door down to hire him either. Talent is great, but it takes MORE than that to succeed long term. You have to either be able to translate it to quite a few wins or do all the other things so well, people want to keep you around. Robby failed on those two counts. Harvick is no picnic to deal with either, but managed to create real demand for his services, Robby never did. The jury is still out on Larson.
     
  8. Flyer22

    Flyer22 Team Owner

    I like Larson...plus he's my 9 year olds favorite driver and he was basically in tears Sunday when he saw Larson get that penalty lol. But I think his issue is his mentality, as others have said. This is a cut throat sport, more than most really. Unless you have a KyBush, Logano, Harvick, ect mind up top to move people and win at almost all costs, it makes it very tough to win on talent alone. These other guys have that "edge".
     
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  9. Pat

    Pat Team Owner

    I don't know about Larson, but add me to the Robby Gordon defender list. I loved watching him.
     
  10. VaDirt

    VaDirt Dirt Track Fanatic

    :XXROFL::XXROFL::XXROFL:
     
  11. AndyMarquisLive

    AndyMarquisLive Short Track Fanatic

    Nobody else has had the level of success Harvick had either (except Dale before).

    None of the other SHR cars have had the success Harvick has had either.
     
  12. Formerjackman

    Formerjackman Team Owner

    And how many of those drivers are still with RCR or SHR? The simple fact is Robby was too much of a pain in the ass to put up with for no more results he got. If he had gotten more results, either RCR would have kept him, or other good teams would have wanted him. There is NO QUESTION what a talented guy Robby is, but I think he was his own worst enemy. If you're Tony Stewart, or Kyle Busch or even Harvick, people will put up with an awful lot, BUT, you have to deliver, or you will pay the price whether it's your fault or not. The alternative is to be a Michael Waltrip type guy that kisses everybody's ass and pleases the sponsors whether you ever win a race or not.
     
  13. AndyMarquisLive

    AndyMarquisLive Short Track Fanatic

    Kevin Harvick only won two races in the same time frame that Robby Gordon was at RCR. Granted, he really probably should have Sonoma in 2003 - the infamous race where Robby Gordon didn't honor the "Gentlemen's Agreement" and was the first of two incidents that led to NASCAR doing away with racing back to the line.

    Robby had his problems, but I still stand by the argument that he overachieved.
     
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  14. Formerjackman

    Formerjackman Team Owner

    He may have overachieved, but evidently not enough that people wanted him to drive their race car.
     
  15. Kiante

    Kiante Team Owner

    Super abrasive guy to work with... Not everyone is a fan of that. Easiest thing to do? Pull a Ricky Rudd and start your own team.
     
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  16. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    Robby Gordon runs his own business and has for years. He is hands on building his equipment PLUS as owner he must find his own sponsors. I think He has done well on his own.
     
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  17. Privateer

    Privateer Crew Chief

    Took 4 top 5's in early '90s CART driving a season for Foyt, 10th in the series championship that year. Won 2 races in the '95 season (pre-split) driving for Derrick Walker. Not to mention success in off road racing and sportscar racing.

    I love Robby like I said. If auto racing actually had a Hall of Fame worth 10 cents, he'd be the candidate on the ballot I'd strongly push for and others would have no idea why. His fatal flaw was he was headstrong and always wanted to be the guy in charge, which also occurred to Dale Earnhardt, Darrell Waltrip, Geoff Bodine, and Ricky Rudd, they were just an earlier era where it was more doable.
     
  18. Privateer

    Privateer Crew Chief

    He's also a racing series promoter. The Stadium Truck Series is his baby.
     
  19. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Robby Gordon has created his own job/series in creating Stadium Super Trucks out of practically thin air, and not only that but jobs for others. Quite an accomplishment. Maybe the O.P. is learning something that is isn't just as simple as winning races in the racing world. Larson is becoming a world wide known racer with his participating in races all over the world.
     
  20. Johnny G

    Johnny G Team Owner

    I havent read the thread but....

    Robby Gordon sucked. Every year when he constantly tore up cars i'd always be wondering why people kept giving him rides. Larson is a way better driver than Robby.
     
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  21. Whiskyb

    Whiskyb Team Owner

    as a long time Mark Martin fan I see many similarities between him and Larson
     
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  22. Matthew2470

    Matthew2470 Filthy Casual

    I think Robby's main issue was that he lacked emotional control which led to stupid decisions while driving. The Busch brothers are emotional drivers but they manage to win races.
     
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  23. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Eh, I liked Larson on the radio, "did he just try to wreck me"? he wasn't upset when Harvick rattled his cage, in fact he was disappointed Harvick didn't want to race side by side for a bit. It didn't faze him at all.
     
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  24. Ventisca

    Ventisca Team Owner

    Larson may be pushing that Chevy hard because he has to. Perhaps he finds the risky fast line around the track and tempts fate because the alternative is to go slower and have no chance.

    I try to watch Chase and Larson to understand race speed of the Chevy's. Now with Kurt in the other CGR seat, he may be a good measuring stick.
     
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  25. CaptainHiTop

    CaptainHiTop Team Owner

    Thank you! I might be Kyle's number one fan, but damn! Get a real hat!
     
  26. Elliott_Fan_9

    Elliott_Fan_9 Formerly JJ_14

    Robby Gordon wasn't nearly as naturally talented as Larson, not even close. This thread is laughable at best.
     
  27. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    I agree totally. I think the difference is drivers race in the confines of a track and Robby enjoys racing cross country and the elements of the unknown. Both take tremendous skills and one can't be compared to the other.
     
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  28. DaBiff1618

    DaBiff1618 Team Owner

    Chief called, this ain’t it. Robby Gordon had as much natural talent as anyone, he’s won in everything that has a steering wheel. Much like Larson, his problems came from the upstairs department, and the fact that he left RCR to run his own back marker team. Larson is a lot more consistent though for sure
     
  29. Elliott_Fan_9

    Elliott_Fan_9 Formerly JJ_14

    Not in stock car racing. He was a road course ringer at best in the cup series. Larson already has more career wins than Gordon and his career is just getting started.
     
  30. DaBiff1618

    DaBiff1618 Team Owner



    His first cup win came at New Hampshire, bruh. Literally nobody said Larson isn’t better then Robby Gordon. But that doesn’t mean Robby Gordon wasn’t a talent. Also, it’s larsons 6th Cup year, “just getting started” is a bit of an exaggeration.
     
  31. Elliott_Fan_9

    Elliott_Fan_9 Formerly JJ_14

    He's only 26. Jimmie Johnson entered nascar at that age. He has like 15 years of prime racing left in him.

    Robby Gordon was talented, but comparing him to Larson in any way, shape or form is ludicrous. Why? Because they both love other forms of racing? So does Tony Stewart...
     
  32. Robby won 2 races in CART at its height and was one lap away from winning a Indy 500 before running out of gas, wins at the Baja 1000, class wins at 24 hours of Daytona, and numerous top 10 finishes at Dakar. Gordon is as talented as Larson, they are both better off running something other then NASCAR IMO
     
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  33. sdj

    sdj Just a race fan

    Larson is patient and is not a trust fund kid. Just sayin.
     
  34. Biggreen695

    Biggreen695 Team Owner

    I'm a big Larson fan.

    Kyle Larson is Kyle Larsons worst enemy

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  35. dirtfan

    dirtfan Team Owner

    I completely disagree - I think if Larson had any patience at all, his results would be much better than they are.
     
  36. Marcingak

    Marcingak Team Owner

    I think if he had patients he'd be a doctor.
     
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  37. sky

    sky Zombie Zoom LLC

    With the momentum type racing that has taken over the cup series Larson's signature high line is being affected. I guarantee you if this guy was running the 800+ HP stock cars of 2007 and before he'd be putting up numbers similar to Jeff Gordon in the 90s.
     
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  38. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    I think Larson has to change his dirt track way of thinking before he will be successful in Cup.
    Many drivers race the top groove these days but he consistently destroys any chances he has to win when he is up there.
    BTW, a driver who is near the end of his career is driving the same equipment as Larson and is out performing him in every way. Makes me think he is another driver being over hyped in the media.
     
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  39. AndyMarquisLive

    AndyMarquisLive Short Track Fanatic

    Kyle Larson is looking like the next Kasey Kahne.
     
  40. Kiante

    Kiante Team Owner

    Kasey had a great career, its definately not a bad thing. Larson I hope is pressing Kurt, asking questions on continuing to get better. Kurt has been killing and if Larson can find that extra bit, they will be fine.

    Larson only knows what Larson wants, I hope he continues to stay interested in NASCAR.
     
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