Kyle Petty on “Most Non-Aggressive Martinsville Race”

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http://nascar.nbcsports.com/2018/03...ive-martinsville-race-ive-probably-ever-seen/

“It’s short-track racing,” Petty said. “You’re going to bump people, you’re going to root them out-of-the-way. … All we have today to talk about is a caved-in front end on a Toyota of Denny Hamlin. That’s not a lot to talk about coming out of Martinsville.”

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Tend to agree. Most fans will tell people “If you want to watch the best aggressive racing, watch Martinsville”. Did not deliver much in the name of beating and banging and flaring tempers that short tracks have. Very tame race.
 
This year has been very tame so far. That just means when we get closer to the chase things will explode. It happens in the playoffs every year. The first two rounds are usually pretty tame, but once there are only a handful of teams reaching for those final four spots, things flare up.

Plus, I always think Monday races are usually pretty tame. I think subconsciously teams just want to get out of there and move on. Monday's are supposed to be one of their "off" days and they are "stuck working". :rolleyes:
 
I just feel like it will go in cycles... I mean if Kyle and others make enough noise about mondays race... nascar could do something about it.

Maybe they’ll “spot” a few extra debris during those 500 laps... basically giving you more restarts, then you know...
 
LouieLouie said:
Plus, I always think Monday races are usually pretty tame. I think subconsciously teams just want to get out of there and move on. Monday's are supposed to be one of their "off" days and they are "stuck working". :rolleyes:
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Yes. Everyone wants to go home. Who was it that tagged the wall with like 15 to go??? That would've been a caution if it were Sunday.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
http://nascar.nbcsports.com/2018/03...ive-martinsville-race-ive-probably-ever-seen/

“It’s short-track racing,” Petty said. “You’re going to bump people, you’re going to root them out-of-the-way. … All we have today to talk about is a caved-in front end on a Toyota of Denny Hamlin. That’s not a lot to talk about coming out of Martinsville.”

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Tend to agree. Most fans will tell people “If you want to watch the best aggressive racing, watch Martinsville”. Did not deliver much in the name of beating and banging and flaring tempers that short tracks have. Very tame race.
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Pretty much this entire season has been tame and lacking aggression. The gloves are never coming off. This is not the type of season nascar needed after juniors retirement.
 
That all kind of matches my take on the race. It just seemed to totally lack any intensity. It really DID seem like everybody just wanted to get the race over with and get out of there.
 
LouieLouie said:
Plus, I always think Monday races are usually pretty tame. I think subconsciously teams just want to get out of there and move on. Monday's are supposed to be one of their "off" days and they are "stuck working". :rolleyes:
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Which is a change from the past. Monday races for some reason used to be more intense than Sunday races.
 
joe h said:
Pretty much this entire season has been tame and lacking aggression. The gloves are never coming off. This is not the type of season nascar needed after juniors retirement.
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^ This.

My interest in NASCAR Cup Series racing has declined a bunch over the years. Especially the past four or five. Usually I tune in for most of the races in the spring and some in the summer, but I've reached the point with this season where I might just start going to work on Sundays.

When Martinsville isn't exciting, it's time to figure something out. Can't blame the track or the cars for this race being what it was.
 
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What the ****? I thought the racing was great. There were great battles all over the place. Erik Jones and Ryan Newman beat the **** out of eachother lap after lap even though they were two laps down. The telecast was a mess and the announcers were actively rooting for drama, but I loved it and will take that race over the **** show ending of the truck race any day of the week.


Kinda shocked that some of you are not enjoying the legitimate racing, and basically begging NASCAR to continue throwing **** at the wall to create drama. Sheesh.
 
DUN24 said:
What the ****? I thought the racing was great. There were great battles all over the place. Erik Jones and Ryan Newman beat the sh!t out of eachother lap after lap even though they were two laps down. The telecast was a mess and the announcers were actively rooting for drama, but I loved it and will take that race over the sh!t show ending of the truck race any day of the week.


Kinda shocked that some of you are not enjoying the legitimate racing, and basically begging NASCAR to continue throwing sh!t at the wall to create drama. Sheesh.
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I dont think anyone is arguing that the racing was not good. It was solid.

What was lacking was the typical aggressive driving across the board at this track. The race was a parade for the most part, which is extremely uncharacteristic.

At one point I began thinking that the drivers had some advantage behind the nose and didnt want to beat anyone’s bumper for fear of losing significant speed. If anything, all of the drivers were very mellow about passing and working braking zones.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
I dont think anyone is arguing that the racing was not good. It was solid.

What was lacking was the typical aggressive driving across the board at this track. The race was a parade for the most part, which is extremely uncharacteristic.

At one point I began thinking that the drivers had some advantage behind the nose and didnt want to beat anyone’s bumper for fear of losing significant speed. If anything, all of the drivers were very mellow about passing and working braking zones.
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Great points. Totally agree. Seemed to be one of the more tamer Martinsville races I can remember.
 
Most of the races I can watch part of or do an abbreviated version and I am happy but Martinsville is one of the tracks I really look forward too. It isn't that the last race was bad it just wasn't up to Martinsville standards. I know there are people that think every race is a good race and that the racing has never been better than today and I respect that but if Nascar can't do better at Martinsville there are going to be more people that feel like Andy and just throw in the towel. Nascar has abused any goodwill it had and has no more mulligans left. The need to get it right more often than not.
 
Havent watched the full race yet, I have it saved on my DVR and working through. Just hit 100 laps last night and from what I've seen its kept my attention. It's Martinsville so to me you could race wheel barrow's there and I'd be excited.
 
It's pretty interesting or it might be a co incidence. Last year spring it was a two car race. The only difference was that the second place car got better in the last stage and slowly was able to get by the leader. This year it didn't happen, the 2nd place car didn't get better. Time will tell, but the second race being in the chase and cars needing the points or the win, it got crazy last year. NBC Kyle is stirring the pot. I don't agree with his conception of short track racing. I've watched a lot of ARCA and K&N short track racing. Drivers don't keep their rides for long by gooning it up and taking themselves and others out of the race, losing points and prize money.
 
DUN24 said:
Kinda shocked that some of you are not enjoying the legitimate racing, and basically begging NASCAR to continue throwing sh!t at the wall to create drama. Sheesh.
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This element is depressing, the tacit calls for unnecessary cautions the most so. But I've always recognized that there are many factions among NASCAR fans, and this common complaint of lumping them all together is silly. Some people are watching for a contest of racing skill. Other people are watching for an entertaining show. I don't blame the latter for being unsatisfied. I do hope they continue to be disappointed, and that NASCAR sticks to its guns and recasts itself as a serious racing series with greater credibility.

There are always legitimate improvements to be made on the competition side that might also lay the groundwork for more excitement. None of them involve creating drama on raceday with officiating shenanigans.
 
StandOnIt said:
Drivers don't keep their rides for long by gooning it up and taking themselves and others out of the race, losing points and prize money.
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Expect thats not at all what Kyle said.

“Bumping” and “rooting out the way” no way implies intentionally being wreckless or pulling a Kenseth.
 
gnomesayin said:
This element is depressing, the tacit calls for unnecessary cautions the most so. But I've always recognized that there are many factions among NASCAR fans, and this common complaint of lumping them all together is silly. Some people are watching for a contest of racing skill. Other people are watching for an entertaining show. I don't blame the latter for being unsatisfied. I do hope they continue to be disappointed, and that NASCAR sticks to its guns and recasts itself as a serious racing series with greater credibility.

There are always legitimate improvements to be made on the competition side that might also lay the groundwork for more excitement. None of them involve creating drama on raceday with officiating shenanigans.
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There is a difference between throwing phantom cautions just because and wanting the drivers to fight for positions. No one wants a demolition derby or 500 laps of restarts, we just want them to drive like they want to win.
 
joe h said:
There is a difference between throwing phantom cautions just because and wanting the drivers to fight for positions. No one wants a demolition derby or 500 laps of restarts, we just want them to drive like they want to win.
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First part of the season is different from the last part of the season almost every year. It gets hot, tempers get frayed, and the points loom. It's racing.
 
I enjoy the fewer cautions we are seeing this year. Can we get rid of stages yet? Get the cautions down to about 1 or 2 per race with zero lead changes and four people on the lead lap. Maybe that will finally kill the Gen 6.
 
Any track at anytime can deliver a dud, as a fan, that's racing. Already looking
forward to what Texas will deliver.

Looking back on all the Monday races I have seen, most were not that exciting
for what ever reason. Just an atypical race for "The Paper Clip".
 
Hotrod said:
Any track at anytime can deliver a dud, as a fan, that's racing. Already looking
forward to what Texas will deliver.

Looking back on all the Monday races I have seen, most were not that exciting
for what ever reason. Just an atypical race for "The Paper Clip".
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Happens all the time, a good race can break out on any track IMO. ABC Kyle has his story though. Not a peep about the truck race which had more action and better racing last weekend.
 
gnomesayin said:
This element is depressing, the tacit calls for unnecessary cautions the most so. But I've always recognized that there are many factions among NASCAR fans, and this common complaint of lumping them all together is silly. Some people are watching for a contest of racing skill. Other people are watching for an entertaining show. I don't blame the latter for being unsatisfied. I do hope they continue to be disappointed, and that NASCAR sticks to its guns and recasts itself as a serious racing series with greater credibility.

There are always legitimate improvements to be made on the competition side that might also lay the groundwork for more excitement. None of them involve creating drama on raceday with officiating shenanigans.
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Nascar needs to allow races to continue to unfold naturally as that is the most important thing if you you really wish to be considered a sport and I agree that there are many different types of race fans and that includes the group that nothing can make happy and the group that thinks there is no such thing as a bad race. Another important thing is Nascar needs to start getting races to fit into a tighter window and that can't happen with a bunch of catch me up cautions.

Regarding Nascar and excitement I think that is going to be a tough nut to crack as whatever excitement that does exist does not translate well from the TV screen. I am at a point where I have to think long and hard about rating a race as the experience from home and at the track is often night and day. Playing chess is wonderful as it requires you to be a tactician and in many cases the crew chiefs in Nascar are also tacticians and sometimes gamblers but again I don't think this translates well.

If I am a newbie fan and I turn on Supercross my senses are automatically stimulated because it is non stop action with constant tension. If I am a newbie fan and I turn on Nascar for the most part I am going to see cars going around in circles for 7-8 minutes with what appears to be nothing happening so I flip the channel and watch something else. IDK how Nascar can be presented as a serious sport and attract new fans but I really hope that it does. Maybe at some future date the gimmicks can be scaled back too.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
Expect thats not at all what Kyle said.

“Bumping” and “rooting out the way” no way implies intentionally being wreckless or pulling a Kenseth.
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You are right on as it is beyond me how anyone could construe Kyle's remarks as meaning "gooning it up and taking themselves and others out of the race" SMH.
 
I was telling someone that the overall driver mood seemed like...lets be nice and get this race over so we can get home

I can remember a caution free race at Talladega on a Monday,....talk about being nice!
 
I was there and one of the first things I mentioned after the race was how the drivers were simply letting the car behind them pass, even during the last stage. Now that I think about it I made the exact same comment after attending the first Loudon race last year. I have been going to NASCAR races since the early 80s and never have I seen so many drivers just give up their position. It is one thing to not race lead lap cars when you are down a couple laps, but I think we need to see some more intense racing for position through the field. To some extent I get what they are doing. Why wreck for 9th place with 100 laps to go? After all you need those points, even though NASCAR wants everyone to believe it's all about the win.
 
DUN24 said:
What the ****? I thought the racing was great. There were great battles all over the place. Erik Jones and Ryan Newman beat the sh!t out of eachother lap after lap even though they were two laps down. The telecast was a mess and the announcers were actively rooting for drama, but I loved it and will take that race over the sh!t show ending of the truck race any day of the week.


Kinda shocked that some of you are not enjoying the legitimate racing, and basically begging NASCAR to continue throwing sh!t at the wall to create drama. Sheesh.
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While i wouldn't go as far to say it has been great, it has been better in my opinion, a step in the right direction.
 
Martinsville was a disappointment .......... thank goodness the bully brake checked Denny boy or the whole thing wouldn't have been worth watching. Backmarker battles don't interest me
 
DUN24 said:
What the ****? I thought the racing was great. There were great battles all over the place. Erik Jones and Ryan Newman beat the sh!t out of eachother lap after lap even though they were two laps down. The telecast was a mess and the announcers were actively rooting for drama, but I loved it and will take that race over the sh!t show ending of the truck race any day of the week.


Kinda shocked that some of you are not enjoying the legitimate racing, and basically begging NASCAR to continue throwing sh!t at the wall to create drama. Sheesh.
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I don't agree about the truck race, Gilliland was involved in two incidents, maybe he will settle down, only 17 until May

 
ChexOrWrex said:
http://nascar.nbcsports.com/2018/03...ive-martinsville-race-ive-probably-ever-seen/

“It’s short-track racing,” Petty said. “You’re going to bump people, you’re going to root them out-of-the-way. … All we have today to talk about is a caved-in front end on a Toyota of Denny Hamlin. That’s not a lot to talk about coming out of Martinsville.”

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Tend to agree. Most fans will tell people “If you want to watch the best aggressive racing, watch Martinsville”. Did not deliver much in the name of beating and banging and flaring tempers that short tracks have. Very tame race.
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It was lame ...... looked about like a Texas race.
 
Most fans will tell people “If you want to watch the best aggressive racing, watch Martinsville”.

uh no, Kyle, watch Watkins Glenn.
 
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