Lack of debris

ChexOrWrex said:
Load of malarky and nothing more than opinion. NASCAR has made it known that stakeholders have been givin more power over the direction of the sport the last couple of years. This certainly includes the idea for stage racing and the opportunity to push additional TV spots, which is blatantly occurring.
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Stage Racing and the points were the main reason.
 
None of these changes are translating into increased viewership or more asses in the grandstands.
I question the long term future of a product that is consistently losing consumers.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
Load of malarky and nothing more than opinion. NASCAR has made it known that stakeholders have been givin more power over the direction of the sport the last couple of years. This certainly includes the idea for stage racing and the opportunity to push additional TV spots, which is blatantly occurring.
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If they make more money doing so great, it hasn't changed the number of minutes of total commercials so it is a moot point.
 
Spotter22 said:
Stage Racing and the points were the main reason.
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Hate to break it to you but my statement is not an opinion. Stakeholders pushed their names and succeeded.

NASCAR announced a series of changes to its regular season points format Monday, including breaking each race into segments in an effort to heighten drama.

The adjustments will be for all three series after input from industry stakeholders, including drivers and teams and feedback from race fans.
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http://www.sportingnews.com/nascar/...t-details-segments/18x1y9nl4rkia1t3mrmt4wtpvq

NASCAR and industry stakeholders are considering significant competition changes to the Monster Energy NASCAR Cup Series that could be implemented as soon as this season, according to several sources.
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https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Issues/2017/01/10/Leagues-and-Governing-Bodies/Nascar.aspx

Theres handfuls more.
 
StandOnIt said:
If they make more money doing so great, it hasn't changed the number of minutes of total commercials so it is a moot point.
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The amount of commercials aired in the stage racing era has jumped. What stats are you overlooking?
 
StandOnIt said:
according to racing reference, for 10 races, the caution average is 5.9 including stages. compared to an average of 8 and all of them break into the flow of the race compared to 4 that do now, I personally don't get your point. Am I missing something here?
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I did a quick sum from Racing Reference. 59 cautions this year through 9 races, 64 cautions through 9 races in 2016.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
...they correlate.
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not true, here is 2016 Bristol pulled out of the hat
Total number of commercials: 125
Total race brdcst time 176 Total comm. brdcst time 43
here is the recent Bristol
Race and Commercial Breakdown of the 2018 Food City 500

Total number of commercials: 121
Minutes of traditional commercials (not split-screen): 39
Minutes of ‘Side-by-Side’ commercials (split-screen): 9
This was also the split day Bristol
 
Spotter22 said:
lol. You just validated what I said, the articles were about points and the stages, no mention of commercials.
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Stakeholders, aka sponsors, for the first time had a direct hand in developing stage racing. As a result, number of TV ads aired has spiked - which they said would not happen. It’s not difficult to think through this & read between the lines here.
 
FLRacingFan said:
I did a quick sum from Racing Reference. 59 cautions this year through 9 races, 64 cautions through 9 races in 2016.
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yeah 2016 was a record low year. the long term ten year average was 7.9. I rounded it it to 8. I used the paragraph below for the older average in the article at the front

Subtract Texas Motor Speedway (which holds the all-time track trash record of seven debris cautions in the November 2014 race and is the annual leader with an average of 2.5 over the past 29 races), and there have been eight debris yellows in 2017, which is on par with the average of 7.8 over the first 15 races in the 1990-2000 seasons. The 2016 season also marked a six-year low for debris yellows with 51.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
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Stakeholders, aka sponsors, for the first time had a direct hand in developing stage racing. As a result, number of TV ads aired has spiked - which they said would not happen. It’s not difficult to think through this & read between the lines here.
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Who said the number of tv ads would not "spike"?
 
ChexOrWrex said:
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Stakeholders, aka sponsors, for the first time had a direct hand in developing stage racing. As a result, number of TV ads aired has spiked - which they said would not happen. It’s not difficult to think through this & read between the lines here.
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I doubt if it will help, but I compared 2016 to 2018 Bristol in number of and total minutes they are very similar and not spiked, Keep in mind the 2018 race was on two different days and had 13 cautions Post #134.
 
StandOnIt said:
not true, here is 2016 Bristol pulled out of the hat
Total number of commercials: 125
Total race brdcst time 176 Total comm. brdcst time 43
here is the recent Bristol
Race and Commercial Breakdown of the 2018 Food City 500

Total number of commercials: 121
Minutes of traditional commercials (not split-screen): 39
Minutes of ‘Side-by-Side’ commercials (split-screen): 9
This was also the split day Bristol
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First, these numbers are wrong. According to Jayski the 2016 Food City 500 had 105 commercials, which was not rain delayed like the 2018 Food City 500. Between your stats here and earlier with @gnomesayin, it looks like you are cherry picking with incorrect stats to push a theory that has no standing, rather than objectively looking at the stats.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
First, these numbers are wrong. According to Jayski the 2016 Food City 500 had 105 commercials, which was not rain delayed like the 2018 Food City 500. Between your stats here and earlier with @gnomesayin, it looks like you are cherry picking with incorrect stats to push a theory that has no standing, rather than objectively looking at the stats.
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did you look down at the total commercial/broadcast time time for Bristol in 2016? Compared to 2018? 8 more minutes of commercials with almost 100 minutes more of broadcast.

Total race brdcst time 176 Total comm. brdcst time 40

Race and Commercial Breakdown of the 2018 Food City 500
Minutes of race broadcast: 275

Total number of commercials: 121
Minutes of traditional commercials (not split-screen): 39
Minutes of ‘Side-by-Side’ commercials (split-screen): 9
This was also the split day Bristol
 
ChexOrWrex said:
First, these numbers are wrong. According to Jayski the 2016 Food City 500 had 105 commercials, which was not rain delayed like the 2018 Food City 500. Between your stats here and earlier with @gnomesayin, it looks like you are cherry picking with incorrect stats to push a theory that has no standing, rather than objectively looking at the stats.
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yeah they were, that was martinsville 2016 to Bristol 2018, my bad.
 
StandOnIt said:
did you look down at the total commercial/broadcast time time for Bristol in 2016? Compared to 2018? 8 more minutes of commercials with almost 100 minutes more of broadcast.

Total race brdcst time 176 Total comm. brdcst time 40

Race and Commercial Breakdown of the 2018 Food City 500
Minutes of race broadcast: 275

Total number of commercials: 121
Minutes of traditional commercials (not split-screen): 39
Minutes of ‘Side-by-Side’ commercials (split-screen): 9
This was also the split day Bristol
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I can’t believe you are attempting to compare a full race to rain delayed race & calling that an even comparison. Have you ever taken a probability and statistics course?
 
StandOnIt said:
pick one then bud, I'll pull it up and you can check it
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We already did this a few pages ago and you still 1. proven wrong 2. still had trouble pulling direct comparisons without highlighting outliers.

Not gonna reinvent the wheel here.
 
Y'all have really been having fun, haven't you? Yanking each other's chain and throwing out the bait to see who bites.
I do believe some of you would argue with a rock. ROTFL
 
As opposed as we've been during this conversation, @StandOnIt makes a valid point I hadn't previously taken into account that debris cautions had been on the wane gradually for several years. That isn't to say that the current near total absence of them doesn't correlate well to 2016's numbers to suggest that stage cautions in many ways replaced debris cautions. Few are even capable of denying that with a straight face anymore.

ChexOrWrex said:
“The best part of the breaks is they could enable us to reduce green-flag TV commercials by as much as 20-percent.” - Mike Joy. A literal mouth piece for FOXSports.
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Eventually you'll be asked why you care so much and told to not watch if you have any criticisms.
 
Spotter22 said:
ad hominem? Asking if you are dizzy is an attack? awww, sorry
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Ad hominem is not an attack, it’s an alteration of course in an argument from the positions held to character. What is deemed as an “attack” is subjective. That is OT though.

@StandOnIt peruse page 2 in this thread to find your answer.
 
gnomesayin said:
As opposed as we've been during this conversation, @StandOnIt makes a valid point I hadn't previously taken into account that debris cautions had been on the wane gradually for several years. That isn't to say that the current near total absence of them doesn't correlate well to 2016's numbers to suggest that stage cautions in many ways replaced debris cautions. Few are even capable of denying that with a straight face anymore.



Eventually you'll be asked why you care so much and told to not watch if you have any criticisms.
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I haven't been a jackass as some have..not saying you were. it has been interesting to me, I have been keeping track of the commercials, and on the race thread posters aren't complaining like they were when they didn't have the stages, I know some hate that fact but it is a fact FWIW.
 
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