F1 cars have a ton more speed and more downforce.NASCAR didn't have this problem with manhole covers coming up when they went to Chicago
These cars actually run a vacuum under the car, so it will suck up anything that is loose.F1 cars have a ton more speed and more downforce.
For the first ever cup street race, it was kind of amazing Nascar did so good of a job.But, NASCAR also put more planning and more preparation into it. That’s the difference.
Here's what I don't get: F1 does street races in other countries. What made Vegas so different?
One minor correction…the FIA don’t have any say as to F1’s commercial operations, they’re all on the regulatory side. F1’s commercial rights are on a 100-year lease and the big Americanization push has occurred since Liberty Media, an American group, purchased the rights from CVC Capital since 2016/2017. And that’s who’ve gotten the ball rolling on all these projects like Miami and Vegas that were once pipe dreams. And in this case, the series is taking on the responsibility of a race promotion for the first time and dumping all this money into construction and everything. Vegas is supposed to be their new U.S. headquarters, whatever that’s supposed to mean.It's like if the Dodgers went to NYC to play an exhibition game in the middle of Times Square. NYC already has baseball, closing/building required infrastructure in Times Square is a massive hassle, and the city doesn't need to put its self through all the trouble for not exactly a huge increase its tourism that weekend... and the conditions for the game its self would likely suck.
Vegas already has a ton of entertainment and now sports options... they really didn't need F1 the FIA just wrote a big enough check and promised massive revenues. They were adamant about hosting this on the strip and ruined the experience of the strip and other parts of the city for tourists the previous 6+ months (I was there... it was pretty ruined). Had it been a regular weekend in Vegas the city probably would've made as much revenue as F1 is brining in and hotel occupancy is always 95%+ on the weekends save for December/January... so what was the point financially?
The other street courses F1 goes to... for the most part, it's either hosted out of the way of major roads, or the event draws people that would otherwise never go there. People are going to visit Las Vegas with or without F1. The street race at Chicago, with NASCAR, for example, significantly boosted what would normally be a "dead" tourism weekend for the city.
I hope this race is one and done.No refunds again.
I hope this race is one and done.
They sent out a statement that was more of an excuseapalooza than an apology, and said nothing about refunds. Now they’re offering $200 vouchers to the LVGP store for Thursday ticket holders. Pretty much just panicking at this point.No refunds again.
Contracts don’t mean ****.Las Vegas has a 10 year contract.
Unless F1 is willing to lose out on half a billion dollars already invested, they ain’t going anywhere.
F1 is about the show, more so than NASCAR.This is all just part of why F1 isn't a real sport, why I can't take it seriously, and why it's not the top of motorsports
Engineering competition mixed with a beauty pagent not racing.F1 is about the show, more so than NASCAR.
It’s all a rich man’s game.Engineering competition mixed with a beauty pagent not racing.
Was the same for the 10 minutes of practice they had last night as well, before the shenanigans kicked off. This was five minutes into FP1:Watching Practice 3 and it feels like there are no fans there. Surreal, honestly.
This is all just part of why F1 isn't a real sport, why I can't take it seriously, and why it's not the top of motorsports
There are more people at the bar I’m at.Watching Practice 3 and it feels like there are no fans there. Surreal, honestly.
Was the same for the 10 minutes of practice they had last night as well, before the shenanigans kicked off. This was five minutes into FP1:
Wild how badly they miscalculated this whole thing.
If Verstappen wins 18 out of the first 21 races and somehow loses the championship due to a minor issue at Abu Dhabi no one would consider this a legitimate championship.I've seen some people complaining about the inconvenience because it's a race that "doesn't matter" because Verstappen has already clinched the championship.
And people wonder why NASCAR decided a playoff was a good idea.
Especially since it was the organizer's fault.It's a joke that Sainz got a 10-place grid penalty. Non of the parts that had to be changed were his or his team's fault.
I'm not sure how you can predict a concrete failure. The important thing is no one got hurt and now all the covers have been inspected. Anything can happen, but my guess it that problem has been solved. There might be new problem we haven't foreseen though, so anything from a cluster fork to a good race is possible.The incident with the manhole covers are inexcusable for the pinnacle of motorsports. This has been a known problem on street circuits for decades.
The stewards stated in their documentation they would’ve allowed Sainz to keep his spot but the regulations don’t allow for force majeure in that situation. They just got put in a bad spot by the venue and promoter.Interesting quali result to say the least.
It's a joke that Sainz got a 10-place grid penalty. Non of the parts that had to be changed were his or his team's fault.
The incident with the manhole covers are inexcusable for the pinnacle of motorsports. This has been a known problem on street circuits for decades.
I was thinking this last night too. The sense of place with track-level cameras is nothing. It’s all fencing and Rolex/T—Mobile/Heineken/Paramount+ advertising plastered everywhere. And it’s just so damn dark. I can’t see **** except for from the helicopter cam.Where I see the failure is in the camera placement. The angles are so low you can't see any of the lit-up attractions. It doesn't look like Vegas. It looks more like any other street track. You can't see the signs and you can't see the buildings. I'm sure the live atmosphere is much better, but on TV it doesn't look any better than the new Detroit. I was hoping being on the strip and all it would be visually spectacular, but it isn't. I'm sure they can easily correct that for next year, but what we have doesn't live up to Vega on the screen.
I thought the same too. The helicopter shots showed this is Vegas but it's still so dark you have to know the city to recognize anything.Where I see the failure is in the camera placement. The angles are so low you can't see any of the lit-up attractions. It doesn't look like Vegas. It looks more like any other street track. You can't see the signs and you can't see the buildings. I'm sure the live atmosphere is much better, but on TV it doesn't look any better than the new Detroit. I was hoping being on the strip and all it would be visually spectacular, but it isn't. I'm sure they can easily correct that for next year, but what we have doesn't live up to Vega on the screen.
This entire event is supposed to appeal to Europeans and Europeans alone, which given that it is here in America (which has a higher GDP than the entire Eurozone, mind you) is absolutely mental.