Las Vegas ratings increase

it's still cold and snow every were here in the northeast, and mid Atlantic. we'll see what warmer weathers brings.
 
The purse in Vegas was 5.8 million for just the cup race, do the lack of fans in the standers really think the track attendance is going to pay that? Give me a break.
 
There were less people at merchandise trailers also, this year, compared to last. Less people = less money. It is simple mathematics.
The lack of attendance this past weekend wasn't due to poor weather.
Sugarcoat however you like, interest in NASCAR is waning.
 
BobbyFord said:
MmmmmmmHmmmmm :rolleyes:
Did the track owners pass the increased revenue onto the track personnel that were laid off?
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No idea. Nor do I care.

People, facilities and businesses are affected by change every day. Why would this situation be different?
 
BobbyFord said:
There were less people at merchandise trailers also, this year, compared to last. Less people = less money. It is simple mathematics.
The lack of attendance this past weekend wasn't due to poor weather.
Sugarcoat however you like, interest in NASCAR is waning.
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Increased viewership and broadband platform usage say otherwise. Sugarcoat that.
 
3 races in, the season is brand new still. Lots of interest in it still. People wanting to tune in to see Gordon race one last time etc..

I'll wait until the summer months to see if it changes any.

It's best to judge the middle part of a season than the start and end. You know more people are incline to watch the start and end of a season than the middle part or even the whole season consistently.
 
aunty dive said:
Increased viewership and broadband platform usage say otherwise. Sugarcoat that.
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TV, broadband, etc. will never be able to sustain Brian France's greed, alone.
You know that ISC owns 13 NASCAR racetracks, including Daytona and ACS, right?
You know that NASCAR owns ISC, right?
Tracks generate revenue. A business expects to increase revenue, yearly, throughout it's existence, to keep up with cost of living increases and increases in business related expenses. Revenue losses do not increase year-end profits.
Business 101.
 
BobbyFord said:
There were less people at merchandise trailers also, this year, compared to last. Less people = less money. It is simple mathematics.
The lack of attendance this past weekend wasn't due to poor weather.
Sugarcoat however you like, interest in NASCAR is waning.
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From what I saw on TV it looked like there were plenty of seats available not including the section that was covered up. Tons of empty seats have been fairly normal to see for a number of years so it may look worse then it actually is.
 
Reck said:
3 races in, the season is brand new still. Lots of interest in it still. People wanting to tune in to see Gordon race one last time etc..

I'll wait until the summer months to see if it changes any.

It's best to judge the middle part of a season than the start and end. You know more people are incline to watch the start and end of a season than the middle part or even the whole season consistently.
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If I remember correctly 5 out of the first 6 Nascar races are the most watched and then things level off.
 
Looks like the pattern so far has been up from '14 but down from '13. I'd say that'll probably continue.
 
Try not to let your continuous lament about the decline of NASCAR get the better of you. It's okay to enjoy something that others decide not to ... for any reason. It doesn't reflect badly on you or any of the choices you've made. It shouldn't have this kind of effect on your sense of self-worth.

Cheer up and have a pleasant evening.
 
Hischild said:
Now, my ONE BIG thing is I am one of only three living people that miss the two car tandem racing. The one year they allowed it was superfantastic. Loved to see two cars running 30th and 31st hook up bumpers and in 3 laps be challenging for the lead........
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No, there were four of us.
 
Just wondering, but given the state of the economy in the last several years, that must be playing some role in the decline of attendance numbers at races. It's not exactly cheap to attend a race, especially if one has a family. Not saying that some may have lost interest because of whatever reason due to NASCAR changing formats/cars every year, just saying that there have to be other things involved in the equation. Or, it seems to me, there should be.
 
Hischild said:
Just wondering, but given the state of the economy in the last several years, that must be playing some role in the decline of attendance numbers at races. It's not exactly cheap to attend a race, especially if one has a family. Not saying that some may have lost interest because of whatever reason due to NASCAR changing formats/cars every year, just saying that there have to be other things involved in the equation. Or, it seems to me, there should be.
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That's our story. We are now down to two scheduled races and may run to a couple others if time/funds work out. In our prime time of attending races we'd normally schedule six a year. Times have changed. Money is tighter. Priorities have changed as well.
 
aunty dive said:
Try not to let your continuous lament about the decline of NASCAR get the better of you. It's okay to enjoy something that others decide not to ... for any reason. It doesn't reflect badly on you or any of the choices you've made. It shouldn't have this kind of effect on your sense of self-worth.

Cheer up and have a pleasant evening.
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Cheer up? :XXROFL:
I'm having a hell of a time!! :)
 
Hischild said:
Just wondering, but given the state of the economy in the last several years, that must be playing some role in the decline of attendance numbers at races. It's not exactly cheap to attend a race, especially if one has a family. Not saying that some may have lost interest because of whatever reason due to NASCAR changing formats/cars every year, just saying that there have to be other things involved in the equation. Or, it seems to me, there should be.
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Nascar TV ratings and race attendance were on the decline prior to the economy turning sour but the poor economy did exacerbate the problem. My Nascar cronies and I used attend multiple races per year and stopped attending any races mainly due to the time needed to go to the track versus the value we felt we received.

We replaced the time we used on Nascar by doing other things. One year we rode our bikes out west and another we rode the Cherohala Skyway to the Blue Ridge Parkway and another year I rode into Canada etc. For us doing those sorts of things was much more fun then going to the track. Sometimes you just get in a rut and do the same things over and over again and for us that was Nascar.
 
BobbyFord said:
Attendance is not stabilizing, IMO.
Hence the drastic changes designed to appeal to a new fan base.
I'll have another look see at the stands again in two weeks and provide some accurate feedback.
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Television ratings are waaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy more important than attendance.
 
BobbyFord said:
TV, broadband, etc. will never be able to sustain Brian France's greed, alone.
You know that ISC owns 13 NASCAR racetracks, including Daytona and ACS, right?
You know that NASCAR owns ISC, right?
Tracks generate revenue. A business expects to increase revenue, yearly, throughout it's existence, to keep up with cost of living increases and increases in business related expenses. Revenue losses do not increase year-end profits.
Business 101.
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The tracks bring in more money from television than they do from fan attendance. And, to be perfectly honest, attendance is a problem for the tracks, not NASCAR, to figure out. Improving the fan experience would be a great start and there are A LOT of things the tracks can do about this. Cell phones being usable at the track would be a great start.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
The tracks bring in more money from television than they do from fan attendance. And, to be perfectly honest, attendance is a problem for the tracks, not NASCAR, to figure out. Improving the fan experience would be a great start and there are A LOT of things the tracks can do about this. Cell phones being usable at the track would be a great start.
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That cell phone issue is probably something that the carriers themselves need to resolve. I run into the same issues at every major sporting/entertainment event that I attend. Anywhere there is a large gathering of people, cell phones are an issue. Whether it's @ Martinsville, the Steelers game, or 4th of July fireworks night in the city of Pittsburgh it's a problem.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
The tracks bring in more money from television than they do from fan attendance. And, to be perfectly honest, attendance is a problem for the tracks, not NASCAR, to figure out. Improving the fan experience would be a great start and there are A LOT of things the tracks can do about this. Cell phones being usable at the track would be a great start.
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Not sure that it's 'only' a problem for the tracks . Nascar gets a huge fee up front from each track in order to host a Nascar event . That fee , is paid for mainly by the gate .So is some of the prize money . Seems to me , that the tracks can't afford to lose more fans and Nascar can't afford to lose more tracks .
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
The tracks bring in more money from television than they do from fan attendance. And, to be perfectly honest, attendance is a problem for the tracks, not NASCAR, to figure out. Improving the fan experience would be a great start and there are A LOT of things the tracks can do about this. Cell phones being usable at the track would be a great start.
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The cell phone thing was bizarre. Tailgating, I had no problem. At my seat, it would go from no service one minute to full bars the next.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
That cell phone issue is probably something that the carriers themselves need to resolve. I run into the same issues at every major sporting/entertainment event that I attend. Anywhere there is a large gathering of people, cell phones are an issue. Whether it's @ Martinsville, the Steelers game, or 4th of July fireworks night in the city of Pittsburgh it's a problem.
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Problem we face in short track racing as well. Most of these tracks are located so far out that cell service is sporadic and broadband internet doesn't exist. We want fans coming to Southern National and posting selfies and pictures on Instagram or whatever and want them on Facebook and Twitter, but cell signal here sucks and I can't just open up the WiFi because then it becomes bogged down and I can't use it.
 
ted@economy said:
Not sure that it's 'only' a problem for the tracks . Nascar gets a huge fee up front from each track in order to host a Nascar event . That fee , is paid for mainly by the gate .So is some of the prize money . Seems to me , that the tracks can't afford to lose more fans and Nascar can't afford to lose more tracks .
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I can't offhand see any tracks Nascar has lost all their tracks owned by their shell company are being used I thought, and I don't think there is an independent anywhere that would decline a chance to host a Nascar race.
 
BobbyFord said:
The cell phone thing was bizarre. Tailgating, I had no problem. At my seat, it would go from no service one minute to full bars the next.
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That's the problem I have here at Southern National. One minute, I'll have 4G, the next minute, no service at all.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Problem we face in short track racing as well. Most of these tracks are located so far out that cell service is sporadic and broadband internet doesn't exist. We want fans coming to Southern National and posting selfies and pictures on Instagram or whatever and want them on Facebook and Twitter, but cell signal here sucks and I can't just open up the WiFi because then it becomes bogged down and I can't use it.
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welcome to living in the country, cell phones around here are things you want to hit a wall with. It's an urban thing.
 
StandOnIt said:
I can't offhand see any tracks Nascar has lost all their tracks owned by their shell company are being used I thought, and I don't think there is an independent anywhere that would decline a chance to host a Nascar race.
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He's right to a degree though. NASCAR's sanctioning fees for their touring races are quite extravagant and played a larger than people realize role in Rockingham Speedway's demise.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
The tracks bring in more money from television than they do from fan attendance. And, to be perfectly honest, attendance is a problem for the tracks, not NASCAR, to figure out. Improving the fan experience would be a great start and there are A LOT of things the tracks can do about this. Cell phones being usable at the track would be a great start.
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I think the only major sport that is gate driven is the NHL and even that may have changed.

I would like to hear what some of the things that today's fans would like in terms of experience when at Nascar tracks. For many of us old duffers going to the track and seeing the race was the experience and we never thought of much else. I didn't realize that cell phone usage was non existent at some of the tracks as my carrier (Verizon) has always worked well. Anyone and everyone please chime in as I think it would be interesting.
 
ted@economy said:
Not sure that it's 'only' a problem for the tracks . Nascar gets a huge fee up front from each track in order to host a Nascar event . That fee , is paid for mainly by the gate .So is some of the prize money . Seems to me , that the tracks can't afford to lose more fans and Nascar can't afford to lose more tracks .
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It makes sense to me that they would be partners to some degree.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
I think the only major sport that is gate driven is the NHL and even that may have changed.

I would like to hear what some of the things that today's fans would like in terms of experience when at Nascar tracks. For many of us old duffers going to the track and seeing the race was the experience and we never thought of much else. I didn't realize that cell phone usage was non existent at some of the tracks as my carrier (Verizon) has always worked well. Anyone and everyone please chime in as I think it would be interesting.
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IDK how it is for the NHL now. I know they used to have a profit-sharing television contract but that might have changed when NBC Sports inherited VERSUS.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
He's right to a degree though. NASCAR's sanctioning fees for their touring races are quite extravagant and played a larger than people realize role in Rockingham Speedway's demise.
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Didn't Gateway and maybe another track decline to hold Nascar sanctioned events for that reason?
 
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