Lot of empty seats today

ladyspartan16 said:
They're still on average $1200 for the the smallest one.


BUT you can find used ones that are like brand new. If you need help looking let me know

I like to think of myself as RF's luxury goods shopping advisor.
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OK thanks RF's luxury advisor. LOL
 
The NSU chicky-babe'll never steer ya wrong.

Was by her place today - no time to stop though.....
 
jayandtim said:
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So buy a ticket if it bothers you.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Interesting concept.

I'm thinking Martinsville needs to nix the aluminum seats and go with the colored plastic ones. It would probably reduce stress with the empty seat counting crowd.
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I saw a lot of people bitching about the crowd size on Facebook who live within an hour of the track and were more than capable of coughing up $40 for tickets to watch.

Of course, if they did that, they wouldn't have anything to bitch about. I hate social media.
 
kyle18fan said:
A tiny portion of the crowd at a motorcycle race in Europe .................... racing is very much alive !!! They just race ... the guy that crosses the finish line wins !! no bells no whistles



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Average attendance ........... one hundred and fifteen thousand people

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/75070/1/115000-average-attendance-at-each-motogp.html
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More than 93,000 People attended the Sachsenring race last year. And the grandstand tickets all were around €130.
 
ladyspartan16 said:
Then you my friend are on the wrong forum. All we do is b#tch, whine, and moan.

You just wait til France and Helton do one of their inevitable mid season rule changes..... oooooh boy.
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Wait until the first fake debris caution of the year. I already have a Word doc typed out about it and it burning a hole in my thumb drive waiting to get used. I have some great complaints saved up about how I don't like aero, cookie cutters and Kyle Busch's attitude just waiting to be cut and pasted too!
 
sdj said:
Lot of empty seats today?

Until this was brought up, I never noticed, I was too busy watching the great action in the race and fast forwarding through the commercials.:D
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Sometimes they are so obvious it is hard to miss them and I think yesterday was one of those days.
 
ladyspartan16 said:
The price of those are dropping as well, and you better believe I've raised hell over that!

They're cheapening the history of the brand in order to appeal to a consumer that's going to be on to a new fad in a few years..... and by then it will be to late to reverse the damage.
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Guess I'll just stick with Coach then.
 
Whizzer said:
I really do not care a whit about the empty seats. I wait for Martinsville and road races. The rest are all fluff. Real racing takes place at Martinsville. Bristol and Richmond run a close second but them I could miss and not feel as if something worthwhile happened. Martinsville, not so much. YMMV.
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A lot of people that really liked 2 races at Loudon didn't give a hoot about empty seats either.
 
ladyspartan16 said:
They're still on average $1200 for the the smallest one.


BUT you can find used ones that are like brand new. If you need help looking let me know

I like to think of myself as RF's luxury goods shopping advisor.
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If I had you as an adviser I could get rid of Siri, Cortana and Alexa.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Interesting concept.

I'm thinking Martinsville needs to nix the aluminum seats and go with the colored plastic ones. It would probably reduce stress with the empty seat counting crowd.
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I don't know anyone who was counting them but it would be great if they painted the seats matte black as they glare of the reflection is strong.
 
Mispeedway15 said:
Thing is casual fans are not really into short track racing as much as plate races. NASCAR is kinda weird like that though, it's fans have such a variation of tastes. For me I love plate races, short tracks and fast 1.5ers.

Many on here absolutely despise plate races and adore the old short tracks, yet it seems as though the general public cannot get enough of the plates
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Casual fans and the general public like big multi-car wrecks. They haven't had the exposure necessary to appreciate running different lines, short pitting, stretching a fuel run, etc.
 
sloggie said:
What I am trying to get at is that NASCAR will never be fixed. ...
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Is it broken? Seriously?

So the attendance is down. My understanding is that attendance and viewership is down for all sports; it's just a question of degree. Even the mighty NFL is talking about dropping its Thursday night games. Maybe what was 'broken' was the abnormal public interest during the boom years. Maybe it's all just a return to normal.

Instead of comparing the attendance and viewer numbers of today with those from 10 years ago, I'd love to see a comparison to 25 years ago. Something along the lines of percentage of the general public and sports watching audiences that watch NASCAR in particular and motor racing in general.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
I saw a lot of people bitching about the crowd size on Facebook who live within an hour of the track and were more than capable of coughing up $40 for tickets to watch.

Of course, if they did that, they wouldn't have anything to bitch about. I hate social media.
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Are you sure you are not confusing complaining with pointing something out? I commented on how good it was to see a full house at Daytona and a decent crowd at Atlanta because that is what I saw. It is the same thing with empty seats as I mentioned I saw a bunch of them yesterday but I had no complaint or concern about it as the stands could be full or empty as it is all the same to me.

Some people bitch ad naueum of how bad 1.5 tracks are so it is always a good idea to look at the 3 fingers and one thumb pointing back at you when pointing the finger at others.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Casual fans and the general public like big multi-car wrecks. They haven't had the exposure necessary to appreciate running different lines, short pitting, stretching a fuel run, etc.
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I would tune in just to see Danica get hot under the collar and I would pay to see the race if I was guaranteed she would try and wreck someone.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
I would tune in just to see Danica get hot under the collar and I would pay to see the race if I was guaranteed she would try and wreck someone.
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Should have been there yesterday. She and Buescher were going at it most of the day. At one point she was even pushing the #37 up against Mrs. Ricky's car.

I disagree with DW about this being one of her better tracks, but it's certainly one where she consistently puts on a show.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Is it broken? Seriously?

So the attendance is down. My understanding is that attendance and viewership is down for all sports; it's just a question of degree. Even the mighty NFL is talking about dropping its Thursday night games. Maybe what was 'broken' was the abnormal public interest during the boom years. Maybe it's all just a return to normal.

Instead of comparing the attendance and viewer numbers of today with those from 10 years ago, I'd love to see a comparison to 25 years ago. Something along the lines of percentage of the general public and sports watching audiences that watch NASCAR in particular and motor racing in general.
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I would love a CEO to tell his board of directors that the market share for the company was returning to normal and there was nothing that could be done about it and they would sell even less units this year over last year and that next year sales would be worse than this year. The CEO would be out of a job before he finished peeing in the excec washroom.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Should have been there yesterday. She and Buescher were going at it most of the day. At one point she was even pushing the #37 up against Mrs. Ricky's car.

I disagree with DW about this being one of her better tracks, but it's certainly one where she consistently puts on a show.
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I saw the action between CB and DP and DP even called him a rookie over the radio. The funny things is Chris has a better averaging finish than DP has this year although they are both tied with finishing on the lead lap twice in 6 races.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
I don't think it makes much sense to compare ticket prices for a facility that hosts two major weekends a year with baseball, basketball, or hockey arenas that have several dozen home dates to sell.

As to football, the nearest teams would either be the Carolina Panthers or the Washington Redskins. Great seats at M'ville average $75. I guaran-damn-tee you the Panthers don't have any $37.50 seats; you're lucky if you can park for $25. There may be some $75 seats for the Panthers, but good luck beating the scalpers and 'bots to one of them There are only 7,200 or so tickets available to the general public and not pre-sold as season tickets to PSL holders.

Did I mention the parking at M'ville is free, and you can bring your own food and drink? Try that at any venue for the other sports you mentioned. Be prepared to be blocked from entering.
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All true enough. Martinsville is one of the cheapest tickets on the schedule.

Just looked for hotels in the general area for the fall race. I see rooms for as cheap as $59/night within 30 miles of the track for the fall Chase, err, playoff race. There are a bunch of rooms under $80. I also see rooms that are waaay overpriced. It's all what someone wants spend I guess. To say that this venue and lodging are overpriced just show that a little bit of homework was not done or tastes exceed their budget.

https://www.priceline.com/stay/sear...A/20171027/20171029/1/?searchType=CITY&page=1

The way I look at it, we're either the problem or the solution. I bought my seats. While I didn't go, I gave them to someone else that from all accounts had themselves one helluva time.

Me, I'm an rv'er. We use our rv probably three times a month. Having it to be able to take advantage of cheap camping at NASCAR venues is a huge plus. Even if you don't have an rv, a tent can be had at WalMart for minimal cost. Why, here's a nice cheap model for under $30. That's how my wife and I got started traveling to races together. Damn good times. :cool:

https://www.walmart.com/ip/24547530...75035&wl11=online&wl12=24547530&wl13=&veh=sem
 
If a track like Martinsville cannot fill its seating, or even come close to it, on a day like Sunday then they must take a serious look at pricing structures & dates.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
If a track like Martinsville cannot fill its seating, or even come close to it, on a day like Sunday then they must take a serious look at pricing structures & dates.
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The price and schedule don't matter if most people aren't interested in what you're selling. The NBA could charge $2.00 per game and have nickel beer on Saturdays and I'd still rather spend $65 for the local ballet company. Just a matter of preferences.
 
the lack of interesting drivers up front keep the fans home. There are only 10 cars who can win if race is not fuel milaged
 
Charlie Spencer said:
The price and schedule don't matter if most people aren't interested in what you're selling. The NBA could charge $2.00 per game and have nickel beer on Saturdays and I'd still rather spend $65 for the local ballet company. Just a matter of preferences.
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Which is a problem because Martinsville is supposedly the most awesome and best NASCAR track ever and every other track should be like that. At least according to what I see on this and other social media fansites. I guess the half full stands say otherwise.
 
It used to be if you wanted to watch a race you had to have a ticket in advance to be assured to have a seat.Now you can wait till day before,check out weather and everything else and still walk up and get a good seat.I don't have tickets for Charlotte race yet,I'm going to wait and see what weather is like.The Monday races in case of rain aren't an option for me.
 
DUN24 said:
My foot hur... WELL CHOP IT OFF THEN!!!1
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Thats the solution in many cases.

AndyMarquisLive said:
Tickets were available for $40. Seen people selling them around the area for $10 and $20.
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Some 75% of Americans dont even have $500 in an emergency fund and something like 40% live paycheck to paycheck. Its obvious pricing at the track and surrounding lodging is an issue. Youre making Sunday's low attendance at your godsend of a racecar track a personal issue.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
They hire the next exec at twice the salary, hear him deliver the same message, and congratulate themselves on spending the extra money because the decline is 9.5% annually instead of 10%.
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Unfortunately that scenario is not far off but there are also CEO's that get canned for not meeting projections even though the company is profitable and most CEO's with Nascar like performance are now WalMart greeters.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
If a track like Martinsville cannot fill its seating, or even come close to it, on a day like Sunday then they must take a serious look at pricing structures & dates.
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What you say makes sense but if people are not interested in Nascar it doesn't matter what the pricing is. The reason I don't go to Nascar races has nothing to do with the cost but everything to do with my perceived value as for the time it takes and the show that it is put on it isn't worth it to me. I am not saying the racing is bad but just the overall experience has way to much downtime for me and there are so many other things I like to use to time for.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
The price and schedule don't matter if most people aren't interested in what you're selling. The NBA could charge $2.00 per game and have nickel beer on Saturdays and I'd still rather spend $65 for the local ballet company. Just a matter of preferences.
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I would see The Barber of Seville for $70.
 
Acs said:
Which is a problem because Martinsville is supposedly the most awesome and best NASCAR track ever and every other track should be like that. At least according to what I see on this and other social media fansites. I guess the half full stands say otherwise.
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My own preference is short track racing and to me plate racing doesn't even count as real racing but the public says otherwise. The 4 plate races are some of the best attended and most viewed races on the circuit so all us people who like short track racing need to understand that.
 
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