Martin Truex Jr. appreciation thread.

Revman said:
What driver has ever been the best (or one of the best) solely on his individual skill set?
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Some drivers have been noted as being able to carry a team and car. What I mean is the driver himself takes a car capable of 3rd or 4th place a winning car. I think Dale E. senior was one of those. I think at times KB does the same as does Harvick and Kurt. My driver, Brad K. is almost that good.
 
Team Penske said:
Some drivers have been noted as being able to carry a team and car. What I mean is the driver himself takes a car capable of 3rd or 4th place a winning car. I think Dale E. senior was one of those. I think at times KB does the same as does Harvick and Kurt. My driver, Brad K. is almost that good.
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Okay, give me another driver other than Truex to win a championship because of his Crew Chief/Team.....
 
Logano

Couldn't win with Gibbs. Wasn't at the top of the points until his team got him out front due to a caution at Homestead. Same amount of wins as Tried. No other championships and was a failure at Gibbs. Yet he's a more worthy champion than Truex who won his the old fashioned way, wire to wire. Of course, we all new Cole Pearn was a mastermind crew chief long before he and Truex were teamed up.
 
Revman said:
Okay, give me another driver other than Truex to win a championship because of his Crew Chief/Team.....
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KB, JL, KH. Both drivers have many wins but only one championship under this system which I detest. I could accept most points in a 10 race playoff even though I prefer season total points.
We can't argue who could have won under different systems because everyone would have raced differently.
 
Revman said:
What driver has ever been the best (or one of the best) solely on his individual skill set?
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It's a team sport, but Dale Sr, Jeff Gordon for starters.

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Monadonock said:
Logano

Couldn't win with Gibbs. Wasn't at the top of the points until his team got him out front due to a caution at Homestead. Same amount of wins as Tried. No other championships and was a failure at Gibbs. Yet he's a more worthy champion than Truex who won his the old fashioned way, wire to wire. Of course, we all new Cole Pearn was a mastermind crew chief long before he and Truex were teamed up.
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I think the Gen 6 makes it less driver prominent than the Gen 4 and COT. If they were still running the Gen 4, I'd wager even with Pearn, Truex doesn't have a title. The fastest car was way more dependent on mechanical grip and the driver drove to maintain the car's inherent speed while fighting the mechanical grip...now, it's what car allows the driver to get back to the gas quickest.

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jaqua19 said:
I think the Gen 6 makes it less driver prominent than the Gen 4 and COT. If they were still running the Gen 4, I'd wager even with Pearn, Truex doesn't have a title. The fastest car was way more dependent on mechanical grip and the driver drove to maintain the car's inherent speed while fighting the mechanical grip...now, it's what car allows the driver to get back to the gas quickest.

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I would go the oppposite, they called them the low downforce cars, but the truth was the opposite in that the Yota's cars and others to a lessor extent were spending millions on engineering trying to have more downforce than the other and the Toyota's were winning the battle. It is a no brainer as to why Truex and KDB hate the new car and Hamlin doesn't have a problem with it.
 
Team Penske said:
KB, JL, KH. Both drivers have many wins but only one championship under this system which I detest. I could accept most points in a 10 race playoff even though I prefer season total points.
We can't argue who could have won under different systems because everyone would have raced differently.
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I will ask this a different way because I am not trying to argumentative.....Give me a driver who is or was as reliant on a great car and cc who is or was as successful as Martin. I ask only because I am curious about your answer. I can't think of anybody who compares....
 
Revman said:
I will ask this a different way because I am not trying to argumentative.....Give me a driver who is or was as reliant on a great car and cc who is or was as successful as Martin. I ask only because I am curious about your answer. I can't think of anybody who compares....
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a couple off the top of my head. Petty/Inman, and Johnson/Knaus way more. Pearn and Truex have a way long way to go.

Dale Inman is undoubtedly the most successful crew chief in the history of NASCAR, with a record eight Cup Series Championships and 193 wins, including an untouchable seven Daytona 500 victories. Of those championships, seven of them were with his cousin Richard Petty in the famed No. 43. A master strategist on pit road and an innovator in the garage, Dale Inman was a game-changer in NASCAR.
 
Revman said:
I will ask this a different way because I am not trying to argumentative.....Give me a driver who is or was as reliant on a great car and cc who is or was as successful as Martin. I ask only because I am curious about your answer. I can't think of anybody who compares....
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I think they all fit that description, take Jeff Gordon, once he lost his CC, he did keep on winning but not in the same fashion. I also doubt JJ would have his numbers if not for Chad and I would say currently MT and JJ are pretty close to each other although the time period, cars, points system are different.
I believe Martin and Cole are the best combination in the garage right now.
 
Martin wasn't that bad (and won a couple races with them) with Bono Manion or Chad Johnston and those weren't exactly top teams IMO.
 
Three short track victories on top of what has been nothing short of a stellar record on road courses lately. The argument that he's not a capable driver based on his short track record is no longer feasible.

Just think, MTJ's not done yet. He's still expanding his repertoire!
 
Truex_rox said:
Three short track victories on top of what has been nothing short of a stellar record on road courses lately. The argument that he's not a capable driver based on his short track record is no longer feasible.

Just think, MTJ's not done yet. He's still expanding his repertoire!
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I think he's the most complete driver currently, with Daytona 500 on the checklist. Plate track specialist is up next.
 
Elliott_Fan_9 said:
Tony Stewart never won the 500. If MTJ can pull that off then wow.
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Which is odd, he was close many times.

Non the less. Stewart is one of the best the sport and racing has ever seen. 2005 is a very underrated championship. 2011 is also enough said. A 500 win won't put Martin on Stewart's level. Not even close.

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jaqua19 said:
Which is odd, he was close many times.

Non the less. Stewart is one of the best the sport and racing has ever seen. 2005 is a very underrated championship. 2011 is also enough said. A 500 win won't put Martin on Stewart's level. Not even close.

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Stewart won at Daytona three times, Truex? goose egg. @39 yrs old
 
Revman said:
Okay, give me another driver other than Truex to win a championship because of his Crew Chief/Team.....
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Almost every driver who wins a championship owes it to his team.
Alan Kulwicki was the Car Chief, Crew Chief and driver.
 
Snappy D said:
Found this on twitter, the numbers are very intriguing. I don’t think it’s a bad comparison at all
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Biggest difference between those two are plate tracks and road courses imo, other than that... BINGO very similar. DJ would drop the hammer on the field when they were on, same as Truex.
 
DJ was an amazing plate driver. I mean seriously, he's probably one of the best plate racers I can remember. Not to mention he was good at intermediates and short tracks. Truex is a much more well-rounded racer than DJ because of Truex's prowess on toad courses. Now, Truex is starting to win the shorter tracks as well.

Very fair comparison though and interesting because it wasn't until 1991 or 92 where DJ came into his own after driving for the wood brothers, then moving to Robert Yates.
 
jaqua19 said:
Which is odd, he was close many times.

Non the less. Stewart is one of the best the sport and racing has ever seen. 2005 is a very underrated championship. 2011 is also enough said. A 500 win won't put Martin on Stewart's level. Not even close.

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2007 & 2008 come to mind. He had the fastest car in '07 before wrecking himself out. In '08 we all know he was leading with 1 to go. He just got beat by the Penske guys. He won so many other events @ Daytona it ain't even funny.
 
Elliott_Fan_9 said:
2007 & 2008 come to mind. He had the fastest car in '07 before wrecking himself out. In '08 we all know he was leading with 1 to go. He just got beat by the Penske guys. He won so many other events @ Daytona it ain't even funny.
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Tony was arguably the best plate driver, atleast at Daytona from 2004 until about 2012.

But anyway, comparing Truex to Tony as a driver is just silly.

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Kiante said:
DJ was an amazing plate driver. I mean seriously, he's probably one of the best plate racers I can remember. Not to mention he was good at intermediates and short tracks. Truex is a much more well-rounded racer than DJ because of Truex's prowess on toad courses. Now, Truex is starting to win the shorter tracks as well.

Very fair comparison though and interesting because it wasn't until 1991 or 92 where DJ came into his own after driving for the wood brothers, then moving to Robert Yates.
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DJ left WB and went to JGR before going to Yates.

Despite the win, Jarrett left Wood Brothers to drive the No. 18 Interstate Batteries-sponsored Chevrolet for the fledgling Joe Gibbs Racing team. In their first year of competition, Jarrett had two Top 5s but dropped to 19th in points.


Jarrett signed to drive for Robert Yates in 1995, piloting the No. 28 Texaco-
 
jaqua19 said:
Tony was arguably the best plate driver, atleast at Daytona from 2004 until about 2012.

But anyway, comparing Truex to Tony as a driver is just silly.

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doesnt Jeff Gordon's record on the plates rival Tony's? Especially at Dega? from 04-12 I remember Jeff winning on the plates just as much as Tony. I am working so I dont have time to check but I would wager their numbers in that time period are similar.
 
Snappy D said:
doesnt Jeff Gordon's record on the plates rival Tony's? Especially at Dega? from 04-12 I remember Jeff winning on the plates just as much as Tony. I am working so I dont have time to check but I would wager their numbers in that time period are similar.
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Probably. But Tony seemed to have lead sooo many laps at Daytona

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