mike honcho
Knuckleheads
Your previous post said Gordon "couldn't" catch him.Just stating he had the car to,just ran out of time.Gordon was running a mile and a half faster so he could have caught him.
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Mopardh9
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That was a very ligitimate win IMO, not sure why some people here think it wasn't. Congrats to him and his team, and it is very nice to see another first time winner, that's 3 this year correct?
VaDirt
Dirt Track Fanatic
Tennessee Racing
Formerly Stewart Fan
I had no idea Menard was so hated on here.
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Mopardh9
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Meaning he couldn't catch him in the alloted amount of laps...could of, would of , should of.....WTH?! The race was 400 miles and Gordon was at least 6 car lengths back at the checker.
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Guido
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You ought to read some of the Podium posts and see how much rich people are hated.
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Mopardh9
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I have to correct myself that is 4 first time winners....Menard, Ragan, Smith, and Bayne.
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GREAT AMERICAN RACE FAN
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I agree, he has ran well in the last 4 years. I have even heard people made mention of his last name and how it got him into racing. But of all the folks who had Sponsorship getting them a ride, he has made the most of it and improved every year he has been in NASCAR. He has also ran decent this year with bad luck sometimes taking him out. He has ran as well as the other first timers this year, and he deserves to have this win without all of the negativity that you asterisk loving jerks tearing him down with already. Celebrate the first time winner, not tear him down. Aheck of a lot better than having 5 time or Busch in victory lane. Great win for the little man today!!!!
racer8
Team Owner
Couldn't agree more. He has improved a bit more each year and now in real good equipment he deserved a win.
If Gordon couldn't do it in 160 laps, what makes you think he could have in 161 laps?
dpkimmel2001
Team Owner
lisa
Kurt Busch fan
I'm shocked so many people have their panties in a twist over this win.
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Restrictor Plate King!
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Congratulations to Paul Menard, that's a big one for a first victory. I thought Gordon was gonna catch him there at the end but man, those guys got it just right & JG just ran out of laps.
klemmabyna
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gotta give credit... as a matter of fact i may have to review that entire thread tomorrow to see if anyone else made such an outrageous post that has come about.
Greg
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I will admit I really used to hate Menard like Stephen Wallace.
That's just my quirk, "I like the poor boy done went and made good" stories.
The kind that would be considered trailer park white trash.
Poor roots but talented enough to beat almost impossible odds.
So liking Menard isn't my first inclination. But looking back on it, I am the one full of # 2.
Menard has used his advantages but who doesn't. How many daddy boys are in all of racing? The answer should be and is countless.
Menard started out easier than many of us. When I raced I moonlighted loading trucks, and had an engine built with my credit card. So I feel for a truck champion like Johnny Benson and wheel men like Ward Burton who basically were told thanks, but no thanks.
But none of that is Menards fault. In addition having money doesn't guarantee greatness. Most of us have met or know about an uninspired rich kid who felt entitled, and accomplishes little.
But Menard (yes with his money) still has approached racing with a workman like ethic. He didn't start out in cup showing talent like he did today, but he has developed, which is worthy in itself.
It was no fluke, and like it not, the closing laps were executed and well played by him. Over the last 12 laps, Gordon was knocking off more than a second a lap. But Menard kept the big picture in mind.
He also stepped up the pace in the last few laps to keep Gordon behind him.
So congratulations, on a big win.
BTW, any purist should have been opposed to any late race phantom debris caution. Let em race, let nature work, and accept the fair results. Thank goodness Nascar allowed them to do that, to just race and settle it on the track (at least they do try in the closing laps).
That's just my quirk, "I like the poor boy done went and made good" stories.
The kind that would be considered trailer park white trash.
Poor roots but talented enough to beat almost impossible odds.
So liking Menard isn't my first inclination. But looking back on it, I am the one full of # 2.
Menard has used his advantages but who doesn't. How many daddy boys are in all of racing? The answer should be and is countless.
Menard started out easier than many of us. When I raced I moonlighted loading trucks, and had an engine built with my credit card. So I feel for a truck champion like Johnny Benson and wheel men like Ward Burton who basically were told thanks, but no thanks.
But none of that is Menards fault. In addition having money doesn't guarantee greatness. Most of us have met or know about an uninspired rich kid who felt entitled, and accomplishes little.
But Menard (yes with his money) still has approached racing with a workman like ethic. He didn't start out in cup showing talent like he did today, but he has developed, which is worthy in itself.
It was no fluke, and like it not, the closing laps were executed and well played by him. Over the last 12 laps, Gordon was knocking off more than a second a lap. But Menard kept the big picture in mind.
He also stepped up the pace in the last few laps to keep Gordon behind him.
So congratulations, on a big win.
BTW, any purist should have been opposed to any late race phantom debris caution. Let em race, let nature work, and accept the fair results. Thank goodness Nascar allowed them to do that, to just race and settle it on the track (at least they do try in the closing laps).
racer8
Team Owner
Very well said Greg.
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DJ Rossi
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& They're all Richboys... MenaRDS DAD <IS JUST ThE Richest...
Tennessee Racing
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& They're all Richboys... MenaRDS DAD <IS JUST ThE Richest...
Why do you care who has the most money?
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I'm beginning to think EVERYTHING is hated on here. All negative all the time.
Congrats to Paul and his team. They crossed the finish line first, they won.
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Gordon_Fan24
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Ok, I didn't read through this whole thread, because honestly, it was giving me a headache. Here is what I don't get....
For the last 3 ro 4 years, all ANOYONE has complained about is the same person always winning, namely Jimmie Johnson. This year we are getting A LOT of other winners, including some first timers....those same people are COMPLAINING! I don't get it.
As my dad would say, "some of you would cry with a loaf of bread under both arms and a pack of bologna between your teeth!"
For the last 3 ro 4 years, all ANOYONE has complained about is the same person always winning, namely Jimmie Johnson. This year we are getting A LOT of other winners, including some first timers....those same people are COMPLAINING! I don't get it.
As my dad would say, "some of you would cry with a loaf of bread under both arms and a pack of bologna between your teeth!"
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#17D500winner
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It's very simple...it's the internet and people have differing opinions. Some people choose to express those opinions in different ways.
If people don't like the Menard win, that's their perogative and I seriously doubt they have any intent on justifying that.
How we react is the only factor we have control over.
Finally, congratulations to Menard and team.
If people don't like the Menard win, that's their perogative and I seriously doubt they have any intent on justifying that.
How we react is the only factor we have control over.
Finally, congratulations to Menard and team.
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Congrats to the whole Menards team...Ran a good and smart race
Bucky Badger
Go Kyle Go
& They're all Richboys... MenaRDS DAD <IS JUST ThE Richest...
care to post how much richer he is? Do you have a list of what everyone is worth? Time to put up or shut up.
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Gordon_Fan24
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I agree with what you are saying here. The only point I am trying to make is there is non-stop complaining no matter what happens in the race. I don't see why some even watch.
Bucky Badger
Go Kyle Go
Because they live to complain.....plain and simple
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#17D500winner
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And nothing anyone else says or does is going to change that. At least it hasn`t yet.
dpkimmel2001
Team Owner
This is very cool indeed. Anyone know the last time we had four first time winners in the same year? I don't, I'm just asking and I'm too lazy too look it up. It's gotta be rare though I'd guess.
Quite a diverse group this year. There's a bunch of drivers out there that haven't won a race this year that are more than capable of doing so. It seems now more than ever that there is a longer list than ever of drivers that could visit victory lane any given week. Does that mean that it's more competitive? I don't know but it is a welcome sight IMO.
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SST55
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Well you better have a jar of Gray Poupon in yer back pocket...
My dad would always say "you'd byitch if they hung you with a new rope".
His father bought him the ride(s) by his sponsoring them. I'd do the same for my kid and if you're honest many others here would do the same too. The kid does show promise and talent.
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#17D500winner
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dpkimmel2001
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I don`t know when the last time was but 1949 must have been the first time
Nice call!
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Mopardh9
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Well you better have a jar of Gray Poupon in yer back pocket...
My dad would always say "you'd byitch if they hung you with a new rope".
His father bought him the ride(s) by his sponsoring them. I'd do the same for my kid and if you're honest many others here would do the same too. The kid does show promise and talent.
Yep agreed.
dpkimmel2001
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Congrats Menard! First win toilet papering.....
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MoMike
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Lets keep it in perspective here. They all got their first wins.
The question is, who also got their last win at cup level......?
Coincidence, good fortune, or a sign of better things to come?
Ragan I can see repeating, the other 3, not so much, anytime soon.
MoMike
Lets keep it in perspective here. They all got their first wins.
The question is, who also got their last win at cup level......?
Coincidence, good fortune, or a sign of better things to come?
Ragan I can see repeating, the other 3, not so much, anytime soon.
MoMike
I dumped this comment to my thumb drive. Bayne will win again.
StewartHaas-Gibbs Racing
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I've never really liked Menard either and for this year I've liked him even a bit less cause I'm not a big fan of RCR.
Do I care that he won? Nah not really but to say that he sucks and is one of the worst drivers is a bit ridiculous.
Do I care that he won? Nah not really but to say that he sucks and is one of the worst drivers is a bit ridiculous.
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#17D500winner
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This is what Stewart had to say about Menard back in 2007...
"You can have your father buy your ride and write DEI a big check, but you can't buy talent. And that's what John Menard's been good at his whole life, is just buying success. He's bought his son a Nextel Cup ride and he's just got enough talent to just be in the way most of the time."
Can you imagine if Menard makes the chase and stewart doesn't?
"You can have your father buy your ride and write DEI a big check, but you can't buy talent. And that's what John Menard's been good at his whole life, is just buying success. He's bought his son a Nextel Cup ride and he's just got enough talent to just be in the way most of the time."
Can you imagine if Menard makes the chase and stewart doesn't?
Tennessee Racing
Formerly Stewart Fan
This is what Stewart had to say about Menard back in 2007...
"You can have your father buy your ride and write DEI a big check, but you can't buy talent. And that's what John Menard's been good at his whole life, is just buying success. He's bought his son a Nextel Cup ride and he's just got enough talent to just be in the way most of the time."
Can you imagine if Menard makes the chase and stewart doesn't?
Tony has some awesome insults lol
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#17D500winner
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Yeah, he has no qualms with making it personal.