NASCAR considers turning down the volume on its cars

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F1 did this and the stands are now empty. It takes a special kind of stupid not to learn from other's mistake.
 
I say try it at an intermediate track for one race, then poll the fans. It's worth a shot. Just don't jump headfirst into this.
 
The cars are so loud that it makes it really hard to enjoy the race with friends and family seated near you. Everyone has ear protecion. Also it's so damn hot that it would be nice for kids to be able to remove ear protection from time to time. Many of us use scanners but most do not. Take a look at the picture of the crowds during the races. Everyone just sits there stone faced. No engagement with others.

That being said, don't make the cars quiet. Just knock off a few decibles to where standard earplugs will be sufficient.
 

I think Nascar has carte blanche as they have already alienated many old timers and I don't see any of us leaving due to quieter cars. What I don't understand is where Nascar is getting their intel from as the only time I have heard anything about the noise from cars is when BGN used V6's and the high pitch squeal of those things didn't sound great to many people.

I am not saying that fans don't want 2 day shows versus 3 day but I have never heard anyone complain about 3 days.
 
They better not. My favorite part of the race is Crank It Up. I could watch the whole race on Crank It Up with my volume all the up.
 
Maybe the reason Nascar wants to quiet the cars down is so millennials can engage with each other verbally during the races. It seems like most other places being slumped over an electronic device and ignoring those you are with suffices so IDK why a race would turn the youngsters into chatty Kathy's.
 
Maybe the reason Nascar wants to quiet the cars down is so millennials can engage with each other verbally during the races. It seems like most other places being slumped over an electronic device and ignoring those you are with suffices so IDK why a race would turn the youngsters into chatty Kathy's.
Yep, someone gets it.
 
I have been wearing headphones for so long its just
not an issue. You conversate during cautions.

As with about every race I go to there is a family with youngsters that I go
hand packs of earbuds to because I get tired of seeing young kids
in pain with their fingers in their ears while their folks are
pounding the 12 oz'ers.

I would place this issue around item # 98 on NASCAR's priority report.
 
The cars are so loud that it makes it really hard to enjoy the race with friends and family seated near you. Everyone has ear protecion. Also it's so damn hot that it would be nice for kids to be able to remove ear protection from time to time. Many of us use scanners but most do not. Take a look at the picture of the crowds during the races. Everyone just sits there stone faced. No engagement with others.

That being said, don't make the cars quiet. Just knock off a few decibles to where standard earplugs will be sufficient.
Maybe it's time the tracks installed little electric fans for each seat. Or seat coolers. Charging extra, of course. :rolleyes:
 
NASCAR is considering making its cars quieter, according to several sources, a move that could make it easier for fans to talk to each other during races and engage more socially.

The idea is still being evaluated and might not be adopted, but NASCAR has informed team owners and top track executives of the proposal, sources said.

The proposal is one of 15 to 20 initiatives NASCAR is studying across categories including fan engagement and competition. For example, NASCAR last year studied making some race weekends two-day shows rather than three-day events, and a handful of tracks have announced that they will now be doing so. This season, NASCAR moved to race segments to encourage exciting racing earlier in the events.

NASCAR’s reviews come at a time when various sports are evaluating ways to enhance their product, like MLB’s efforts to speed up baseball games. Such proposals, however, face a delicate balancing act. Leagues want to take steps to attract more fans, but too many changes too soon could alienate vital hard-core fans.

NASCAR events are meccas of sound with ear-splitting engines that make for a uniquely loud experience that many fans have come to love. During Fox broadcasts, the network offers “Crank it up” segments to encourage viewers at home to turn up the volume to better mimic the at-track experience.

However, while numerous fans are smitten by the sound, the decibel level of races can make it difficult to talk with people sitting close by and potentially could hurt young fans’ eardrums.

Quieter cars could be targeted more toward millennials, who place heavy importance on the social experience of attending sporting events. For example, many teams in stick-and-ball sports have developed standing areas where fans can gather and socialize instead of being restricted to a standard seat.

Which NASCAR series the move would be implemented in to start was unclear, but a source said the sanctioning body is considering it for multiple series.

The move could be implemented as soon as next season, sources said. NASCAR declined to comment.

The move would represent only a slight reduction in the sound, according to a source with direct knowledge of the sanctioning body’s review. It could be rolled out over the course of multiple years in a bid to make sure the reduction is done gradually, a separate source close to NASCAR said. A gradual phasing in would allow NASCAR to evaluate how each reduction is received to ensure that the sanctioning body doesn’t go too far and make races too quiet.

“To bring the cars down to a level that you could (have conversations during races) would take a lot of work,” said Billy Boat, a former Xfinity Series and Camping World Truck Series team owner who runs Billy Boat Exhaust, which makes performance exhaust systems. “To bring a thundering pack of 40, 900-horsepower cars down to a level where you can sit and have a conversation I think would diminish some of the show effect of kind of what people are there to see.”

Boat said if NASCAR implemented the move, teams would likely just incorporate a new muffler into existing exhaust systems. However, that would probably require teams to reconfigure their tailpipes. He projected that for teams in the Monster Energy NASCAR Cup Series, new tailpipes would likely cost at least $1,200 a set, while new mufflers would likely cost at least $300 to $400 each. Teams can go through multiple tailpipe configurations during a season, so the cost could be significant.

If implemented, one likely supporter of the move will be Michael Waltrip, a former NASCAR team owner, driver and current Fox Sports analyst. Waltrip has spoken of his desire to make cars quieter for years, most recently telling reporters at NASCAR’s preseason media day that “right now they’re obnoxious, and I guess I’ve gotten old because it really gets on my nerves.”

Formula One went through somewhat of a similar situation in 2014 when the open-wheel series changed from V8 to V6 engines. At the time, the chairman of the Australian Grand Prix threatened to sue F1 for breach of contract because the new, greener engines were perceived to be quieter, which organizers were afraid would turn fans off. Opposition to the move in F1 has subsided somewhat, though Mercedes driver Lewis Hamilton is among those who have continued to call for F1 to go back to louder engines.

Zak Brown, executive director of the McLaren Technology Group, which oversees the McLaren F1 team, said for his money, the decibel level of a car should be left alone.

“Louder is better,” Brown wrote in a text message.
 
I love big, loud NA V8 engines but if they do it methodically so as not to go too far I guess it's worth a try. I'm not sure how far you have to go to make regular conversation realistic though. Try it with the Trucks and Xfinity first.
 
"Teams can go through multiple tailpipe configurations during a season ..."
Huh. I learned something today. I -assumed- they were set up the same way all the time, taking the shortest available distance from exhaust manifold to the right side of the car.
 
Outside of one or two posters here, I've never heard anyone say they want the cars to be quieter. Any time that I've hear a fan respond to what he/she likes about going to a race it has always consisted of the sights, sounds, and smell.
Okay, I'll go on the record.

"I'd like the cars to be quieter, especially if it can be done without affecting performance. I'd like to discuss the action with the people beside me while it's happening, without screaming or waiting for a caution."

There. I'll light the fires under the tar, but y'all have to pluck the feathers for yourselves.
 
Okay, I'll go on the record.

"I'd like the cars to be quieter, especially if it can be done without affecting performance. I'd like to discuss the action with the people beside me while it's happening, without screaming or waiting for a caution."

There. I'll light the fires under the tar, but y'all have to pluck the feathers for yourselves.

NASCAR should have headsets for fans that want to communicate with each other during the race. Never used a scanner but I imagine it be something like that tuned to your parties headsets.
 
How about going to V6s or turbo boosted inline 4 cylinders? Why not just go full electric?

Maybe I'm too old school but the roar of the V8s is one of the best part of going to see the race live. Otherwise, may as well watch the race on TV and avoid driving hundreds of miles and spending all the money and the day getting to and from the race.
 
Honestly, we're not going back to Kansas this year in large part because of how ridiculously loud the cars are. We had a mixed group of big time fans and very casual fans and were disappointed we couldn't converse back and forth more during the race.

To each his own, but this macho attitude that if they aren't as loud as possible then NASCAR sucks is ridiculous
 
How do they work? Seems like the ideal thing for fans that want to talk during the race.
Each pair have a microphone and are hooked together onto their own scanner. There is a button on the ear piece that you press when you want to speak. They are pretty decent but if it is extremely loud, like at Bristol, it can still be tough to hear.

Here's a link to one of their package deals. Expensive. The only time to buy them is just before Christmas when they are 50% off.

http://www.racingelectronics.com/product-p/re3000-gem5-pkg.htm
 
NASCAR should have headsets for fans that want to communicate with each other during the race. Never used a scanner but I imagine it be something like that tuned to your parties headsets.
That just lets me talk to one to three other people on the same hook-up I'm on. It doesn't let me talk to that guy in front of me who pulls for the same driver I do, or rag the gal behind me when her driver hits the wall.

Fans shouldn't have to buy extra equipment to have a conversation, esp. equipment they'll only use a couple of times a year and that costs more than any other single expense of attending.
 
There's loud and there's annoying loud. The rumble of a V-8 is loud. The sounds of a motorcycle engine or a four-cylinder that's wound out is annoyingly loud. I don't know of many people that don't go to NASCAR races because it's too loud.
 
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