Nascar's Return to Nashville Speedway

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  1. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    MLS stadium project potential roadblock for NASCAR's return to Nashville

    Part of the site plans for the soccer stadium development places a mixed-use apartment building and parking garage about 20 feet from the current front entrance to the racetrack.


    Formosa said a building in such close proximity would make the flow of fans into and out of the stadium impossible. He also doubted whether a building located so close would allow for future upgrades at the racetrack.

    “You have to have that open for emergency vehicles, and for people to enter,” Formosa said. “That’s the main gate.”

    https://www.tennessean.com/story/mo...oadblock-nascars-return-nashville/3355390002/
     
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  2. LewTheShoe

    LewTheShoe Team Owner

    My gut intuition is that Bruton Smith / SMI are trying to minimize cash investment out of pocket, but have not yet revealed their walk-away breaking point. The city negotiating tough will move Bruton closer to that breaking point, without actually reaching it, I predict. I hope the deal goes forward, and think the odds are pretty good.
     
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  3. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    I thought that Nascar and it’s track owners did everything on their own nickel? I have never looked into it but I distinctly remember someone going on about it.

    It would be nice to have an MLS stadium and a refurbished track but if push comes to shove you have to go with the stadium. Nascar attendance keeps dropping so who knows how a new track would be patronized?
     
  4. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    oh yeah, the daily flame. who will bite. Yawn
     
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  5. Greg

    Greg 2014 RF YAHOO CHAMP Your leader

    I think Nashville would be very Nascar friendly and a natural location for future plans.
     
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  6. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    I think the city needs to think long term and ask itself what the likely future for Nascar attendance looks like? Does it make sense to have something that in 5 years may attract 20k or less to a cup race? Nascar may slash 8 races from its current schedule and who is to say future leadership wouldn’t remove Nashville’s date?

    If the real estate ends up being available and a developer wants to fund a Nascar project himself that is fine. The city should not be on the hook for 1 red cent for anything involving Nascar or auto racing.
     
  7. AuzGrams

    AuzGrams Team Owner

    I don't see why the city isn't making a push for both facilities.
     
  8. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    maybe you can head the don't have a Nascar track in Nashville committee and remind them every day. Probably get a following there. Whistling in the dark here.
     
  9. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    Not at all as it isn’t that I’m not in favor of a track. I just don’t think taxpayer money of any kind should be used toward it. I assume you feel the same way as I know in the past you have been dead set against it. Is that still true today?
     
  10. LewTheShoe

    LewTheShoe Team Owner

    I think the deathbedder doth protest too much, considering that the county owns the facility, a fact well known to everyone. Blowing smoke up someone's tailpipe about "the owners on their own nickle" is pretty lame for a taxpayer-owned project.
     
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  11. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    It would help to read the article, but much easier to do the daily schtick
     
  12. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    The taxpayers should not put a nickel into something being used for Nascar.
     
  13. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    maybe you can head the don't have a Nascar track in Nashville committee and remind them every day. Probably get a following there. Whistling in the dark here.
     
  14. FLRacingFan

    FLRacingFan Team Owner

    That little site map makes the whole proposed property look busy as hell.
    Too many hipsters there now. Probably why they're getting an MLS team...which there are already too many of.
     
  15. AuzGrams

    AuzGrams Team Owner

    I've heard Formosa is an idiot
     
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  16. StandOnIt

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  17. Snappy D

    Snappy D 2017 Pick Em Champion 2018 Bold Predictor

    Reading that doesnt sound very good for NASCAR of any form to be returning to what looks to be an amounting dumpster fire.
     
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  18. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    yeah, could be, but you never know. Could be a hatchet job to move him out of the way also.
     
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  19. FLRacingFan

    FLRacingFan Team Owner

    Sounds like you may have heard right.
     
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  20. StandOnIt

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    According to the newspaper’s report, Womack said that the Formosas:

    # Failed to pay rent on time.

    # Owe $31,930 from concessions revenue from the 2018 season.

    # Violated track rental curfew on May 27.

    The Tennessean reported that the track’s rent for January to March was paid April 4.

    Womack requested that the Formosas appear at the Fair Board meeting April 16 to address the matters.

    Claire Formosa told the Tennessean that “there are some things that we are aware of that we have taken care of, like the office rent. The other two things … there is a lot more to it than what is being stated in the letter.”
    https://nascar.nbcsports.com/2019/0...etback-with-cancellation-of-all-american-400/
     
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  21. AuzGrams

    AuzGrams Team Owner

    Maybe they can make a push to Iowa or Gateway (Gateway is my preference) & Road America instead.
     
  22. AndyMarquisLive

    AndyMarquisLive Short Track Fanatic

    Gateway, Iowa, Rockingham, and Road America would all make nice additions.
     
  23. AuzGrams

    AuzGrams Team Owner

    I'd like to see Eldora (maybe the midweek race), Gateway, Rockingham, Road America myself. Though Iowa is owned by NASCAR (and NASCAR is buying ISC), while the remaining are independently owned.

    I'd love to see Michigan, Kansas, Texas/Las Vegas alternating 2nd race, Dover (I like Dover, but I think this makes sense) lose a race in addition for all this to happen. Alternate the All-Star race among SMI tracks & alternate The Clash between the superspeedway & road course at Daytona.

    All these moves would increase attendance imo.
     
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  24. Snappy D

    Snappy D 2017 Pick Em Champion 2018 Bold Predictor

  25. AuzGrams

    AuzGrams Team Owner

    I understand 100% chance of rain, but cancelling 3 days early is lame.
     
  26. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    the race has been rescheduled. The headlines could have read "The All American race Rescheduled" but that wouldn't draw in the headline readers.
    The All American 400 is scheduled for Nov. 3, 2019.
     
  27. toledo47

    toledo47 Team Owner

    Incorrect, this weekends race was actually 2018s rain delayed AA400. The one in November 2019 is the regularly scheduled annual AA400. There were going to be two this year (April and November) due to last years rainout but now the April one has been cancelled entirely.
     
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  28. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    from the article:

    The All American 400 Super Late Model race was set to run last fall before it was postponed by rain and rescheduled for this weekend
    So because of rain it was called off again and rescheduled once again for his November 3. I didn't see anything in the article that said they were going to have two races. Do you? If so, if you think it is important post it up.

    https://nascar.nbcsports.com/2019/0...etback-with-cancellation-of-all-american-400/
     
  29. toledo47

    toledo47 Team Owner

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  30. kkfan91

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  31. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    As the article said, why have fans and competitors spend money coming for something that isn't going to happen?
     
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  32. AndyMarquisLive

    AndyMarquisLive Short Track Fanatic

    But where the haulers gonna enter at?
     
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  33. kkfan91

    kkfan91 Taking a 10-200

    Why that well designed pit road entrance of course
     
  34. Snappy D

    Snappy D 2017 Pick Em Champion 2018 Bold Predictor

    That pit road looks dicey and @AndyMarquisLive is right, where are the haulers going to enter?? I can’t find where they would enter but it looks like they pull right into the garages which is a cool idea, like a warehouse loading dock. This set up looks claustrophobic to me, the stadium and apartments are right on top of the speedway. However props to idea of an awning over the grandstand, such a old school feature. More tracks need awnings, the one that covered the Darlington front stretch grandstand was so cool, added to the mystique of the Lady.
     
  35. toledo47

    toledo47 Team Owner

    The current granstands (that i'm sure have been there forever) are still covered to this day! Really cool place to see ARCA every year
     
  36. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    Who in his right mind builds apartments beside a racetrack, unless they think it isn’t going to be there?
     
  37. gnomesayin

    gnomesayin Team Owner

    That's usually the thinking in these cases. Unfortunately they are correct more often than not.
     
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  38. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    Probably the best thing is to sell the grounds to a developer and put in houses, an industrial park or retail. Twenty years ago I would have recommended a bowl like Bristol but things have changed.

    Instead of doing something with this track give a current track owner the option of putting in a road course or short track on his existing facility.
     
  39. gnomesayin

    gnomesayin Team Owner

    Explain in what regard a racing fan and fan of short tracks believes "the best thing" is for the country's oldest operating racing facility, a short track, to be sold and razed to build an industrial park, something that is not currently under consideration. A ballot measure was passed a decade ago to protect the track from just that. Why would the city of Nashville government abandon any deal with an interested party like SMI to upgrade this track and instead give another track owner in another location help to upgrade their facility? How would that work?
     
    Last edited: Apr 12, 2019
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  40. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    The taxpayers of Nashville or Davidson County or whatever the jurisdiction is can do whatever they want with the place period.

    Given the state of auto racing and where it is heading selling the property and collecting tax revenue on it seems like a smarter idea.

    Nashville is not the same city it was 5 years ago let alone 10.
     

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