Nascar's Return to Nashville Speedway

IanMcVittie said:
The taxpayers of Nashville or Davidson County or whatever the jurisdiction is can do whatever they want with the place period.
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They voted to keep and actively protect it. Your allies will have to successfully campaign for a new initiative to overturn it.
 
gnomesayin said:
They voted to keep and actively protect it. Your allies will have to successfully campaign for a new initiative to overturn it.
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If the taxpayers in Nashville are attached to a white elephant that is fine with me.
 
gnomesayin said:
Explain in what regard a racing fan and fan of short tracks believes "the best thing" is for the country's oldest operating racing facility, a short track, to be sold and razed to build an industrial park, something that is not currently under consideration. A ballot measure was passed a decade ago to protect the track from just that. Why would the city of Nashville government abandon any deal with an interested party like SMI to upgrade this track and instead give another track owner in another location help to upgrade their facility? How would that work?
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The trolling extends into just about anything. Well said on your end.
 
IanMcVittie said:
If the taxpayers in Nashville are attached to a white elephant that is fine with me.
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You were openly critical of it, not fine with it. What is your basis for the white elephant characterization?

Here was you four days ago:

IanMcVittie said:
I really loved Nascar when it was a regional sport. Let’s get 2 dates at Rockingham, keep both Martinsville and Bristol dates, put Richmond back like it was and add another 3 short track courses in the south east.
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Your preference is to add another three short track venues in the southeastern US in the interest of restoring NASCAR's tradition and roots. Yet your opinion of a viable operating historic landmark Southern short track that needs relatively small (in development terms) upgrades to host national NASCAR series races again is that it is a burdensome possession and more trouble than it is worth (white elephant) and that the best outcome is that it be demolished.

This level of incoherence will be hard to top.
 
gnomesayin said:
You were openly critical of it, not fine with it. What is your basis for the white elephant characterization?

Here was you four days ago:



Your preference is to add another three short track venues in the southeastern US in the interest of restoring NASCAR's tradition and roots. Yet your opinion of a viable operating historic landmark Southern short track that needs relatively small (in development terms) upgrades to host national NASCAR series races again is that it is a burdensome possession and more trouble than it is worth (white elephant) and that the best outcome is that it be demolished.

This level of incoherence will be hard to top.
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If Richmond and Atlanta can be put back the way they were and Rockingham can get 2 dates and Darlington can get its second race back they can have 5 races at Nashville for all I care.

I’ve stated my preferences and reasons for Nascar not going to Nashville and they may be rubbish or may have merit. If you or others think it is a good idea to get a cup date for Nashville I’m ok with it. I seriously doubt it will happen but if it does it does.

BTW Nashville is not in the southeastern US!
 
IanMcVittie said:
If Richmond and Atlanta can be put back the way they were and Rockingham can get 2 dates
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Sounds likely and more realistic than than the formulated plans for Nashville. I would support a Rockingham revival too, as I like to see good race tracks prosper, and place them above my enthusiasm for industrial parks, strip malls, and tax collectors.

IanMcVittie said:
I’ve stated my preferences and reasons for Nascar not going to Nashville and they may be rubbish or may have merit.
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I'm leaning toward rubbish, as I asked for clarification on a couple key claims and received none. I'm picking up that you have a grudge against Nashville and a fringe alternate theory on basic geography and US history. Otherwise, it's all quite murky other than that racing-related misfortune brings you delight.
 
gnomesayin said:
Sounds likely and more realistic than than the formulated plans for Nashville. I would support a Rockingham revival too, as I like to see good race tracks prosper, and place them above my enthusiasm for industrial parks, strip malls, and tax collectors.



I'm leaning toward rubbish, as I asked for clarification on a couple key claims and received none. I'm picking up that you have a grudge against Nashville and a fringe alternate theory on basic geography and US history. Otherwise, it's all quite murky other than that racing-related misfortune brings you delight.
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Sorry but you ain’t exactly Kreskin when it comes to mind reading as I have always been very fond of Nashville. IDK what is up with the racing misfortune thing.
 
gnomesayin said:
Sounds likely and more realistic than than the formulated plans for Nashville. I would support a Rockingham revival too, as I like to see good race tracks prosper, and place them above my enthusiasm for industrial parks, strip malls, and tax collectors.



I'm leaning toward rubbish, as I asked for clarification on a couple key claims and received none. I'm picking up that you have a grudge against Nashville and a fringe alternate theory on basic geography and US history. Otherwise, it's all quite murky other than that racing-related misfortune brings you delight.
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some are incapable of being honest, I wouldn't expect clarification, when another lie is easier to tell.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
The heck it's not! It's well south of the M-D line and well east of the Mississippi R.
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I grew up in the Midwest and now live in the Northwest. I will rely on the actual Southerners I know, and established elementary geography and history, rather than the leading alternate theories emerging from Ontario, Canada.

About the only Canadian authorities on the South I would pay heed to were The Band.
 
gnomesayin said:
I grew up in the Midwest and now live in the Northwest. I will rely on the actual Southerners I know, and established elementary geography and history, rather than the leading alternate theories emerging from Ontario, Canada.

About the only Canadian authorities on the South I would pay heed to were The Band.
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Where in the midwest? Vermont?
 
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Definitely the south, might not seem like it in certain hipster neighborhoods though. I think we are alll aware that a revival of Nashville and the Rock will be good for the sport. I'm not in favor of tax payer money going to it either but my pro-historic short track bias makes me look the other way.
 
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Definitely the south, might not seem like it in certain hipster neighborhoods though. I think we are alll aware that a revival of Nashville and the Rock will be good for the sport. I'm not in favor of tax payer money going to it either but my pro-historic short track bias makes me look the other way.
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I spend several days in Nashville 3-4 times a year and with the influx of people it ain’t southern like it was 40 years ago.

IMO the citizens of Nashville should not so much as pay for a curb cut with any work done in and around the track.
 
IanMcVittie said:
I spend several days in Nashville 3-4 times a year and with the influx of people it ain’t southern like it was 40 years ago.
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Goalpost moving, and a familiar refrain heard from observers of any city that experiences substantial growth. Heard it 20 years ago about Charlotte. So Nashville was in the southeastern US 40 years ago? I don't think the tectonic plates have shifted that much in that period.

I'm glad you enjoy Nashville. Cool town. Lots of good changes have come with the recent growth, and surely some negative ones as well.
 
gnomesayin said:
Goalpost moving, and a familiar refrain heard from observers of any city that experiences substantial growth. Heard it 20 years ago about Charlotte. So Nashville was in the southeastern US 40 years ago? I don't think the tectonic plates have shifted that much in that period.

I'm glad you enjoy Nashville. Cool town. Lots of good changes have come with the recent growth, and surely some negative ones as well.
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I don’t consider Nashville to be part of the southeast just like I don’t see the state of Florida being part of it either. Florida is definitely geographically southeast but it is about as southern as St. Cloud
 
IanMcVittie said:
I spend several days in Nashville 3-4 times a year and with the influx of people it ain’t southern like it was 40 years ago.

IMO the citizens of Nashville should not so much as pay for a curb cut with any work done in and around the track.
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You didn't say it wasn't southern, you said wasn't in the southeast. The first is a question of culture, the second of geography.
 
Time to get flammed but here goes: Hey Marcus @SMI.... This Nashville project gets messier by the day. Take the money you were going to use to remake Nashville and put it towards Wilkesboro. Theres no apartments, Soccer stadium or hipster residents to dodge because they moved next to a race track. Build it and they will come........
 
Snappy D said:
Time to get flammed but here goes: Hey Marcus @SMI.... This Nashville project gets messier by the day. Take the money you were going to use to remake Nashville and put it towards Wilkesboro. Theres no apartments, Soccer stadium or hipster residents to dodge because they moved next to a race track. Build it and they will come........
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Hopefully the NASCAR directed shills on here see this and relay the message
 
Snappy D said:
Time to get flammed but here goes: Hey Marcus @SMI.... This Nashville project gets messier by the day. Take the money you were going to use to remake Nashville and put it towards Wilkesboro. Theres no apartments, Soccer stadium or hipster residents to dodge because they moved next to a race track. Build it and they will come........
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According to the article in the Tennesseean, the money Marcus was wanting to spend included $52 million of public bonds and $2 million cash from the city of Nashville. The mayor's public stance is that he will reject a deal using public money. I suspect Wilkesboro isn't able to contribute that kind of funding either.
 
Snappy D said:
Time to get flammed but here goes: Hey Marcus @SMI.... This Nashville project gets messier by the day. Take the money you were going to use to remake Nashville and put it towards Wilkesboro. Theres no apartments, Soccer stadium or hipster residents to dodge because they moved next to a race track. Build it and they will come........
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I don't think the money from Nashville would be enough to rebuild NWilkes to 21st century standards. Even it SMI was interested in a track of those dimensions, it would probably build a new one closer to an urban area. Either way, there'd be the question of getting it on a schedule. Last time I checked, even Nashville didn't have a guaranteed date.
 
mack said:
I will forward the message ASAP to all the France family, Helton and my pet Unicorn. Thanks for the suggestion.
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That damn unicorn is a no-talent hack who wouldn't have a ride if it wasn't for the family sponsoring him. He should get out and free up a seat for a deserving pegasus or griffin who worked his way up through the ranks.
 
I just don't see why they can't keep the MLS stadium plan, scrap the apartments/condos, and renovate the racetrack, doesn't seem that difficult to me but what do I know. I guess they want apartments that bad.
 
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