Nationwide at Darlington

FLRacingFan said:
That's probably true to an extent, but it can't help ESPN when all of their advertisements for the series feature younger drivers and claim "NAMES ARE MADE HERE" and then Kyle Busch and a few other Cup regulars crap all over them every week.
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I would agree with that but I went thru the past champions of the series and only a few of them were up and coming drivers to begin with. I think an age limit and not allowing the cup guys would be the best way to go to market younger drivers but unfortuntely, I don't think the sponsers would be too happy about that.

Speaking of younger drivers, Larson will be a cup star very soon.
 
StandOnIt said:
I was being sarcastic, pull the toyota rules ball cap up over yer eyes and read the posts. your toyota bias is showing. I was being sarcasic to Andys post that was suggesting that Nascar wants Kyle Bush to win..like they give a darn.
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Check the username. I'm wearing a blue oval hat over here.
There's an icon for sarcasm so those of us without a crystal ball know what you mean :D
 
FLRacingFan said:
That's probably true to an extent, but it can't help ESPN when all of their advertisements for the series feature younger drivers and claim "NAMES ARE MADE HERE" and then Kyle Busch and a few other Cup regulars crap all over them every week.
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In order to be the best, you have to beat the best. If you saw Larson giving Bush all he could handle at Bristol, and now they are parting the sea to get him in cup next year, what you said sarcastically is really the truth. That is how it works. Unless you are a novelty like lil Danica, you have to beat the best to move up in most cases.
 
Lazyking said:
...Speaking of younger drivers, Larson will be a cup star very soon.
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I hope not. IMO, many young drivers with potential were pushed to Cup too soon and fell by the wayside. I think Nationwide drivers should run 3 seasons before moving to the Cup Series, unless they dominate and win the Nationwide Championship in one year. In which case 2 years should be the minimum.
 
BobbyFord said:
I hope not. IMO, many young drivers with potential were pushed to Cup too soon and fell by the wayside. I think Nationwide drivers should run 3 seasons before moving to the Cup Series, unless they dominate and win the Nationwide Championship in one year. In which case 2 years should be the minimum.
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Maybe, I think he'll probably stay in nationwide another year unless a good ride opens up..I'm not sure who's coming and going but for the longterm, I'd want Larson in my car. He's the only young driver in nationwide that I feel is close. Bowman needs more time then Larson for sure.
 
yeah like they say birds of a feather. and if ya can't handle it quit laying it out there to get Stood on
 
Lazyking said:
Maybe, I think he'll probably stay in nationwide another year unless a good ride opens up..I'm not sure who's coming and going but for the longterm, I'd want Larson in my car. He's the only young driver in nationwide that I feel is close. Bowman needs more time then Larson for sure.
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I could see Larson ending up being another Joey Logano if they bring him up too soon. A ton of potential, but just never able to get over the mid tier driver hump. (yet)
 
StandOnIt said:
In order to be the best, you have to beat the best. If you saw Larson giving Bush all he could handle at Bristol, and now they are parting the sea to get him in cup next year, what you said sarcastically is really the truth. That is how it works. Unless you are a novelty like lil Danica, you have to beat the best to move up in most cases.
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What did I say sarcastically? And Larson would be in Cup soon regardless of whether or not Kyle Busch races against him.
 
quote="FLRacingFan, post: 620025, member: 7165"]What did I say sarcastically? And Larson would be in Cup soon regardless of whether or not Kyle Busch races against him.[/quote]


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I agree with ESPN names are made here. And as far as crapping goes, 6 out of the top ten were full time Nationwide drivers, Sadler and Vickers 2nd and third. So I see it differently than you did. Names are made there. Guess we will have to start a thread now...Should former Nascar cup drivers be allowed to race in Nationwide along with the cup drivers too? pretty ridiculous when you look hard at it from my seat in the peanut gallery.
 
StandOnIt said:
I agree with ESPN names are made here. And as far as crapping goes, 6 out of the top ten were full time Nationwide drivers, Sadler and Vickers 2nd and third. So I see it differently than you did. Names are made there. Guess we will have to start a thread now...Should former Nascar cup drivers be allowed to race in Nationwide along with the cup drivers too? pretty ridiculous when you look hard at it from my seat in the peanut gallery.
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Seven out of nine race winners are Cup regulars. And of course six out of the top ten still went to Nationwide regulars, there were only four major Cup regulars starting (Busch, Logano, Kenseth, Kahne), and they combined to lead 143 out of 147 laps.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Seven out of nine race winners are Cup regulars. And of course six out of the top ten still went to Nationwide regulars, there were only four major Cup regulars starting (Busch, Logano, Kenseth, Kahne), and they combined to lead 143 out of 147 laps.
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yeah so, whats the problem, they have a race and a driver wins, that is the way it works. It is really simple. They pay points on how you finish IF you have signed on to be a Nationwide series racer. That above doesn't mean anything if you are racing Nationwide full time, you try to get the most points every race that you can, cup drivers or not. That is the way it is. Get better and go up to cup level and then come back and race both series if you have the opportunity to do so.
 
One of advantge which ALL cup drivers have over NNS is that they basically have impunity to race however they chose. We all know that they're not racing for points or trying to keep their jobs so it can be a feeding frenzy and the NNS is at their mercy. Then they talk about keeping costs down but does anyone really believe that money is an issue for Gibbs?

How is an underfunded team to bang fenders with the rich cup teams or not move over when they see a cup driver coming who has the option to put you in the wall whenever he feels like it?

How can NNS owners bargain for sponsors when they know that their air time will be limited?
 
Matthew2470 said:
If Matt Kenseth, Kasey Kahne or Joey Logano had won last night would you guys be whining like this?
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i'm not whining about it. Within the current rules, Kyle can dominate the nationwide series.. more money for one of my favorite drivers lol.. However, that doesn't mean he or any other cup driver SHOULD be allowed to race in Nationwide. Gibbs should put Bubba Wallace in the car if they're serious about developing him.
 
Matthew2470 said:
If Matt Kenseth, Kasey Kahne or Joey Logano had won last night would you guys be whining like this?
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Yes, they would. Although Cup drivers have always raced in the lower series', for some reason some fans don't like it now. Arguments can be made for or against it.
 
StandOnIt said:
yeah so, whats the problem, they have a race and a driver wins, that is the way it works. It is really simple. They pay points on how you finish IF you have signed on to be a Nationwide series racer. That above doesn't mean anything if you are racing Nationwide full time, you try to get the most points every race that you can, cup drivers or not. That is the way it is. Get better and go up to cup level and then come back and race both series if you have the opportunity to do so.
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That's ridiculous. I can't think of another sport where the younger, amateur competitors have to prove themselves in their own league against the professionals in order to advance to the top tier. The Cup guys have years more experience and in JGR's and Penske's case far superior equipment as well that could be utilized by younger racers.
 
#17D500winner said:
One of advantge which ALL cup drivers have over NNS is that they basically have impunity to race however they chose. We all know that they're not racing for points or trying to keep their jobs so it can be a feeding frenzy and the NNS is at their mercy. Then they talk about keeping costs down but does anyone really believe that money is an issue for Gibbs?
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We saw this last year when Logano dumped Sadler at Darlington. The Cup drivers have nothing to lose and can race as they please without consequences.
 
BobbyFord said:
Yes, they would. Although Cup drivers have always raced in the lower series', for some reason some fans don't like it now. Arguments can be made for or against it.
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It's not something that just became an issue all of a sudden. They made the points commitment change a few years ago for a reason. People were tired of seeing Harvick, Hamlin, Edwards, Stewart, Kyle and others win every week.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Oh please..... NASCAR is DESPERATE for Kyle to win 201+ races. It's a horrible show for the fans unless you're a Kyle fan (which you are).

Like I said, there's a reason ARCA, K&N and the Truck Series have long term deals in place and Nationwide doesn't. Kyle Busch has single handedly destroyed the Nationwide Series.
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While Kyle Busch is destroying the Nationwide series , let's all take a moments to remember those drivers who made the series into what it is today . Dale Sr . 21 wins 7 poles , Handsome Harry Gant 21 wins 14 poles , and Mark Martin 49 wins 30 poles . Just to name a few . Before these guys started racing over there on Saturdays , the events weren't even televised .
 
ted@economy said:
While Kyle Busch is destroying the Nationwide series , let's all take a moments to remember those drivers who made the series into what it is today . Dale Sr . 21 wins 7 poles , Handsome Harry Gant 21 wins 14 poles , and Mark Martin 49 wins 30 poles . Just to name a few . Before these guys started racing over there on Saturdays , the events weren't even televised .
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Yeah but for the most part they were scattered over a large period of time not like the egomaniac wanting to win all of them right now. People tend to forget that Mark Martin won 49 races scattered out over a period of 31 years 1982 to 2012, Dale Earnhardt won 21 races over a period of 13 years 1982 to 1994 and Harry Gant won his 21 races over a period of 13 years 1982 to 1994. They also used Busch series cars and teams not like JGR using all of his cup assets and teams to field nationwide cars.
 
I just don't see what Kyle or any Cup guy for that matter get out of winning Nationwide races. The pay is nothing compared to the Cup series so that can't be it. It's like if LeBron James played high school basketball teams. It has to be just to keep the sponsors happy.
 
Kyle just likes beating up on little kids.That's why he jumped back into the Gibbs Nationwide cars again after not winning in his own car.:cool:
 
mike honcho said:
Kyle just likes beating up on little kids.That's why he jumped back into the Gibbs Nationwide cars again after not winning in his own car.:cool:
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And why his ass was kicked out of the Snowball Derby two years for trying to cheat with juiced up racecars. The officials at Five Flags don't put up with his cheating like they do everywhere else.
 
Stewart Fan said:
I just don't see what Kyle or any Cup guy for that matter get out of winning Nationwide races. The pay is nothing compared to the Cup series so that can't be it. It's like if LeBron James played high school basketball teams. It has to be just to keep the sponsors happy.
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I might agree with you if you were talking about them being in an Arca race, but I don't think you are giving the Nationwide racers enough credit. I think the Nationwide series is more like a college series not high school.
 
you guys, need to talk to Gibbs. He is paying Kyles salary. Oh Joe please don't use Kyle anymore, I know he is making you buku money in both series, but certain fans and drivers are getting frustrated because he wins so much. uh waaaaaaaa...lets call him mean names and stomp our feet..maybe that will make mean ol Joe quit beating us. Ban Kyle Ban Kyle..oh yeah last year Ban Joey Ban Joey. Oh crap before that Ban Kyle Ban Kyle. and BTW Kyle, you need to return the over 14 million you have won so far in Nationwide..baby needs a new pair of shoes. :)
 
StandOnIt said:
you guys, need to talk to Gibbs. He is paying Kyles salary. Oh Joe please don't use Kyle anymore, I know he is making you buku money in both series, but certain fans and drivers are getting frustrated because he wins so much. uh waaaaaaaa...lets call him mean names and stomp our feet..maybe that will make mean ol Joe quit beating us. Ban Kyle Ban Kyle..oh yeah last year Ban Joey Ban Joey. Oh crap before that Ban Kyle Ban Kyle. and BTW Kyle, you need to return the over 14 million you have won so far in Nationwide..baby needs a new pair of shoes. :)
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Every day your posts are showing your true stripes more and more, pretty soon I'll have to guess your age at about 11 years instead of 12.
 
The Gibbs car #54 is number one in owner points..might splain why he keeps putting Kyle in the 54, eh? I want to see him get beat also BTW. I don't think Cup dedicated drivers should get owner points, the medai like to say that the cup regulars are just racing for nothing, but that is a lie. They are there not only for the "fun" but for the money and owner points.$$
 
I wonder what would take place if say 36 cup drivers where to regularly start running NNS races? I don't believe that there's anything stopping them from attempting to qualify.
 
#17D500winner said:
I wonder what would take place if say 36 cup drivers where to regularly start running NNS races? I don't believe that there's anything stopping them from attempting to qualify.
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That I don't think would be fair. There is already about 30 regular nationwide guys so alot of drivers would be bumped from a ride and pissed off..The only good thing the cup guys coming down is it's mostly the gibbs team who don't run for the drivers title (besides sadler)
 
#17D500winner said:
I wonder what would take place if say 36 cup drivers where to regularly start running NNS races? I don't believe that there's anything stopping them from attempting to qualify.
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Tickle the crap outa me if they did, top 36 in cup points cover the field in the nationwide races, all of them doing like KyBu does using their cup teams and assets, helluva headline, get their damned attention and change the rules then I betcha.
 
Lazyking said:
That I don't think would be fair. There is already about 30 regular nationwide guys so alot of drivers would be bumped from a ride and pissed off..The only good thing the cup guys coming down is it's mostly the gibbs team who don't run for the drivers title (besides sadler)
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IMO, it's as fair for any one driver as it is for another.
 
Lazyking said:
That I don't think would be fair. There is already about 30 regular nationwide guys so alot of drivers would be bumped from a ride and pissed off..The only good thing the cup guys coming down is it's mostly the gibbs team who don't run for the drivers title (besides sadler)
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Of course it wouldn't be fair just like it isn't fair to the nationwide regulars now, especially with the biggest part of the purse's going to cup regulars but if its legal lets all race in nationwide and kick all of the kids out. Just because its legal don't make it right and as always this is just my opinion.
 
#17D500winner said:
IMO, it's as fair for any one driver as it is for another.
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I get what your saying but again, there is drivers who already have nationwide rides where these cup guys would come in and take them.. It's not a good busniess pratice. Kyle Busch is assigned a number of races in the #54. As much as I think cup drivers shouldn't be in the series, at least the cup drivers aren't just swooping in taking rides whenever they feel like it.
 
Lazyking said:
That I don't think would be fair. There is already about 30 regular nationwide guys so alot of drivers would be bumped from a ride and pissed off..The only good thing the cup guys coming down is it's mostly the gibbs team who don't run for the drivers title (besides sadler)
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you forgot Vickers.:) Gibbs is running 2 full time and three except when Kyle is running Cup and can't make the race. Kyle is not a factor in the points race. If the prize money keeps getting better, there will be more cup drivers for sure..oh my.
 
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