Nelson Piquet fined

What did NASCRAP do to Bowyer for using the word RETARD....Anyone remember........
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
http://motorsports-soapbox.blogspot.com/2013/10/commentary-piquet-sanctions-show-nascar.html

Moody nailed it.

What's interesting, not only did Piquet make the remark, he brushed off criticism from people who were offended by it. Yeah, we can't have drivers in our sport making racist, sexist and homophobic slurs and then basically telling fans they're idiots when they get offended.
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What is the big deal about this? if you're offended by what he said then don't buy his stuff. Why does he need to be raked over the coals? people say things every day that offend me, do I get to ruin there paycheck, NO. this pc stuff is out of control. Who gets to make the rules?
 
BOWTIE GUY said:
What is the big deal about this? if you're offended by what he said then don't buy his stuff. Why does he need to be raked over the coals? people say things every day that offend me, do I get to ruin there paycheck, NO. this pc stuff is out of control. Who gets to make the rules?
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From Moody's commentary:

There is no question that Piquet’s comment was ill-advised. He can arguably speak however he likes in private conversation with his friends, but a highly visible professional athlete should know better than to use such a term in an open, public forum.​
 
The way I see public figures making provocative remarks...if was to say that of all the people in Nascar, Michael Waltrip was the most hurt personally by Piquet's remarks, people here would likely take that as a joke.

If Clint Bowyer was to publicly say, "that of all those personally hurt by Piquet's post, Dale Earnhardt Jr. should be most upset," I believe there'd be a much bigger backlash. Not only here, but in Nascar circles everywhere.

If that makes any sense:confused:
 
#17D500winner said:
The way I see public figures making provocative remarks...if was to say that of all the people in Nascar, Michael Waltrip was the most hurt personally by Piquet's remarks, people here would likely take that as a joke.

If Clint Bowyer was to publicly say, "that of all those personally hurt by Piquet's post, Dale Earnhardt Jr. should be most upset," I believe there'd be a much bigger backlash. Not only here, but in Nascar circles everywhere.

If that makes any sense:confused:
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so Clint thinks jr should be offended?
 
#17D500winner said:
The way I see public figures making provocative remarks...if was to say that of all the people in Nascar, Michael Waltrip was the most hurt personally by Piquet's remarks, people here would likely take that as a joke.

If Clint Bowyer was to publicly say, "that of all those personally hurt by Piquet's post, Dale Earnhardt Jr. should be most upset," I believe there'd be a much bigger backlash. Not only here, but in Nascar circles everywhere.

If that makes any sense:confused:
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We're not talking about cracking a joke. We're talking about the use of vocabulary that is offensive to large segments of the population. NASCAR is not the first or only sport to fine people for making racist, sexist and homophobic slurs.

And I don't think this will result in drivers not using social media. If it goes down that road, it's because they can't act like adults, not because of NASCAR. Nelson Piquet's kind of a wanker anyways. I highly doubt you'd see Kevin Harvick, Brad Keselowski or Danica Patrick get on Twitter and express themselves using that type of language.
 
Also, Nelson Piquet was fined, what is for him, chump change. If regular Joe went on Twitter and made those remarks, there's a really good chance they could be fired.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
We're not talking about cracking a joke. We're talking about the use of vocabulary that is offensive to large segments of the population. NASCAR is not the first or only sport to fine people for making racist, sexist and homophobic slurs.

And I don't think this will result in drivers not using social media. If it goes down that road, it's because they can't act like adults, not because of NASCAR. Nelson Piquet's kind of a wanker anyways. I highly doubt you'd see Kevin Harvick, Brad Keselowski or Danica Patrick get on Twitter and express themselves using that type of language.
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who gets to decide what is and isn't ok to say?
 
BOWTIE GUY said:
who gets to decide what is and isn't ok to say?
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In Piquet's case, NASCAR and his team owners. In my case, my employer. In most Americans' cases, their employers have codes of conduct that encompass social media. In school children's cases, the schools and their parents. In other cases, the general public.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Also, Nelson Piquet was fined, what is for him, chump change. If regular Joe went on Twitter and made those remarks, there's a really good chance they could be fired.
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Chump change, for sure, but no major sponsor is going to associate with someone who is bad publicity. In the end, it may cost him more.
Look how much Kurt's on-air mouth cost him (and Nelson is certainly no Kurt Busch.)
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
We're not talking about cracking a joke. We're talking about the use of vocabulary that is offensive to large segments of the population. NASCAR is not the first or only sport to fine people for making racist, sexist and homophobic slurs.

And I don't think this will result in drivers not using social media. If it goes down that road, it's because they can't act like adults, not because of NASCAR. Nelson Piquet's kind of a wanker anyways. I highly doubt you'd see Kevin Harvick, Brad Keselowski or Danica Patrick get on Twitter and express themselves using that type of language.
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My intent was not to judge what he said, but rather his decision to say it where/when he did.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
In Piquet's case, NASCAR and his team owners. In my case, my employer. In most Americans' cases, their employers have codes of conduct that encompass social media. In school children's cases, the schools and their parents. In other cases, the general public.
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so there is no standard just what some think what is best?
 
BOWTIE GUY said:
so there is no standard just what some think what is best?
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I think the standard is set by the entity paying the salary. One employer may give a slap on the wrist, another may fire said employee.
You take your chances when you put things like that out in public.
 
TexasRaceLady said:
I think the standard is set by the entity paying the salary. One employer may give a slap on the wrist, another may fire said employee.
You take your chances when you put things like that out in public.
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And...you should already know what is and what is not deemed publically acceptable.
 
I'm not only tired I'm retired so I don't have a boss so can I say whatever the hell I want to? UH OH Wait UH What ERR yes I do have a boss, I'm happily married.
 
Any business or corporation is always going to distance itself from negative publicity.
I work for the largest municipally-owned utility in the U.S., in our monthly meetings we discuss what is and what is not acceptable in the workplace. Conversations about race, religion, sexual preference, appearance, vulgarity, etc. are all unacceptable in the workplace.
 
BobbyFord said:
Any business or corporation is always going to distance itself from negative publicity.
I work for the largest municipally-owned utility in the U.S., in our monthly meetings we discuss what is and what is not acceptable in the workplace. Conversations about race, religion, sexual preference, appearance, vulgarity, etc. are all unacceptable in the workplace.
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so you think that your employees aren't talking about that stuff at work? if the rules were follow were I work, there would be no one working on site.
 
TexasRaceLady said:
I used to tell my students "you can think whatever you wish. The minute you say it, it becomes public property and can bite you."
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The problem is that now, instead of saying something in public, people pull out their damn iPhone and post exactly what they think on Twitface without filtering themselves at all.
 
BOWTIE GUY said:
I did that more then once. right is right not going to compromise what I stand for.
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You are not a racecar driver sponsored by a large corporation. Nobody has even heard of you.
When you are a public figure, you will be judged by what you say and do. It may be detrimental, financially.
 
BOWTIE GUY said:
so you think that your employees aren't talking about that stuff at work? if the rules were follow were I work, there would be no one working on site.
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Nobody at my work is talking about that stuff. You wanna find your ass in a meeting with a union rep, have at it. I've seen too many people get unpaid leave. Play by the rules or play somewhere else.
 
If you're paying your own way to play in your own sandbox then you can say whatever you want (but you may be playing alone.) If someone else is footing your bill to play in someone else's sandbox then you better watch what you say or you may find yourself playing alone again in your own sandbox; which probably isn't a very lucrative sandbox.
 
BobbyFord said:
If you're paying your own way to play in your own sandbox then you can say whatever you want (but you may be playing alone.) If someone else is footing your bill to play in someone else's sandbox then you better watch what you say or you may find yourself playing alone again in your own sandbox; which probably isn't a very lucrative sandbox.
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And in this case, we pay for them to play. The drivers wouldn't make the kind of money they do without the fans. If the fans weren't there, they'd all be like thousands of short trackers who are lucky if they can even get to the track on Saturday night.

There were fans who expressed that they were offended by Piquet's remark. He told them in no uncertain terms that they were idiots.
 
This really isn't good for Piquet. He's not the smoothest driver on the track. He tends to bounce off of several cars throughout each race. That, the on-camera punt to the nutsack and the current negative publicity may wind up costing him more than he bargained for.
 
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