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They just said Newman is probably in with RCR but not in a fourth car. Jeff Burton will be going to a satellite team with Caterpillar, possibly Swan Racing.
 
yeah saw that. crazy. if true, 78 gotfa go with Juan imo

kinda shocked about burton tbh
 
At least they're accomodating Burton to have a ride at least.

With his lack of on-track perfomance they can just can him and move on but at least the option is there for him.
 
Frr is going in right direction, More money then indy car, not many ready for the jump = Juan in the 78
 
SlicedBread22 said:
They just said Newman is probably in with RCR but not in a fourth car. Jeff Burton will be going to a satellite team with Caterpillar, possibly Swan Racing.
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Whatever..when Burton is gone, he will probably be gone..He doesn't have a past champion provisional to get slow teams in the race. This sounds like more B.S. to give the press a road to go down.
 
StandOnIt said:
Whatever..when Burton is gone, he will probably be gone..He doesn't have a past champion provisional to get slow teams in the race. This sounds like more B.S. to give the press a road to go down.
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You dont believe anything until its done, do you? lol
 
if CAT leaves with burton how does that help RCR?? even with newman bringing on quicken is that really helping anything from where they are now?? this story doesn't seem to be passing the smell test. I do think RCR is in serious negotiations to secure newman to the team, but getting rid of burton and his sponsor doesn't sound like one of them.
 
Lazyking said:
You dont believe anything until its done, do you? lol
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been around the block a few times. Nascar people are getting good at manipulating the press. So far no car change for A.J. or Newman at RCR. around here lots thought those were a done deals and wanted to argue about it. hell I just go by the facts from the principals involved. the press can and will say anything..they are like used car salesman.:)
 
hidesert cowboy said:
if CAT leaves with burton how does that help RCR?? even with newman bringing on quicken is that really helping anything from where they are now?? this story doesn't seem to be passing the smell test. I do think RCR is in serious negotiations to secure newman to the team, but getting rid of burton and his sponsor doesn't sound like one of them.
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did you hear that from Jeff Burton, or Childress, or a CAT big wig? hail no, you heard it just like I did, from a pit reporter. You think that is a reliable source? Or a bunch of guys sitting around and saying..watch this, hold my beer?
 
makes sense. swan needs cat $$/rcr alliance. . childress don't have ta fire burton.
can get newman...ta help austin........assumin newman brings sponsor. ??
 
hawg dawg said:
makes sense. swan needs cat $$/rcr alliance. . childress don't have ta fire burton.
can get newman...ta help austin........assumin newman brings sponsor. ??
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And RCR gives up CAT why ? Newmans going to bring in a bigger sponsor? Not even a rumor about that.
 
Wonder if Quicken Loans is planning on following Newman or staying at SHR.
 
Well that's an interesting rumor, sure came out of left field.

I think that if RCR absorbs Swan as a satellite then it could make sense. CAT will be paying the bills to run the Swan car and they'll just be buying everything from RCR so the money will continue to roll in just from a different avenue. Burton still is sponsored by CAT, RCR gets a new driver in Newman who brings some new sponsorship that can be supplemented by pre-existing RCR sponsor dollars. RCR gains a new stream of info with a driver they are familiar with and could potentially offset the loss of the FRR 78 team, if they decide to switch manufacturers.
 
Mojo said:
Wonder if Quicken Loans is planning on following Newman or staying at SHR.
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I believe they have said that Quicken Loans is down for sponsoring Newman for 15 races next year wherever he is. Read that somewhere. I think it came out when Tony Stewart said SHR didn't have resources for a 4th team (not sponsorship issue), which later turned out to be bull**** of course.
 
Something about this doesn't make sense to me either, Austin Dillon is getting the 29 w/ Ty moving up to NNS. If what we all believe to be true, that Childress' plan is to have both grandsons @ RCR, why wouldn't he honor Burton's contract and after the 2014 season move Ty up to the 31 car??
 
@MartySmithESPN
Ton of you asking about Jeff Burton to the 30 w/CAT so I asked Swan Racing GM Bray Pemberton: "We haven't even spoken to Jeff Burton."
 
Jeff Burton could be let go by Richard Childress Racing to make room for Ryan Newman, Wendy Venturini reported on FOX Sports 1 Race Day Sunday afternoon.
At the end of FOX Sports 1 Race Day on Sunday Wendy Venturini reported that the latest rumor in the NASCAR Sprint Cup Series garage was that Jeff Burton could be leaving Richard Childress Racing in 2014 to make room for Ryan Newman.
If the rumors are current Jeff Burton could possibly take over the #30 car for Swan Racing. Swan Racing is a satellite team to Richard Childress Racing so Burton could still be involved with RCR, the team he has been with since the middle of 2004.
This would also give Ryan Newman a full-time ride for the 2014 NASCAR Sprint Cup Series season. Ryan Newman would replace Jeff Burton in the #31 car, leaving Paul Menard in the #27 car and introducing Austin Dillon to the Cup Series while driving either the #29 or re-introducing the #3.
Although reported by Wendy Venturini, the status on Jeff Burton leaving and Ryan Newman entering remains a rumor.

http://the5thturn.com/jeff-burton-rcr-ryan-newman-replacement/
 
RCR is a VERY important team for Chevy, and Chevy is a VERY important partner for RCR...and right now, Chevy is NOT HAPPY at a potential RCR lineup of Burton, Menard and Dillon.

That's all you really need to know to explain anything you might be questioning about this whole ordeal.
 
Allenbaba said:
RCR is a VERY important team for Chevy, and Chevy is a VERY important partner for RCR...and right now, Chevy is NOT HAPPY at a potential RCR lineup of Burton, Menard and Dillon.

That's all you really need to know to explain anything you might be questioning about this whole ordeal.
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I don't blame them, would anybody be happy with that lineup?

I'm surprised that RCR hasn't been more pro-active at trying to secure some top talent for their stable, maybe they have been behind the scenes but it sure looks like they were content to go forward with those 3 drivers.

They lost out on Kurt and I was saying a while ago that they really should have gone after him. I think you were saying that RCR had agreed with FRR not to pursue him. Now neither will get him, but if RCR can retain Newman then it's a decent consolation prize, I think he'd do well at RCR.
 
Jayski is now saying Burton could end up at Tommy Baldwin Racing with RCR engines and chassis. Should be interesting to see how this all plays out.
 
StandOnIt said:
Whatever..when Burton is gone, he will probably be gone..He doesn't have a past champion provisional to get slow teams in the race. This sounds like more B.S. to give the press a road to go down.
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Lazyking said:
You dont believe anything until its done, do you? lol
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dpkimmel2001 said:
@MartySmithESPN
Ton of you asking about Jeff Burton to the 30 w/CAT so I asked Swan Racing GM Bray Pemberton: "We haven't even spoken to Jeff Burton."
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^^ this. and also this:
Burton says he will drive for RCR in 2014: All of the chatter about flux at Richard Childress Racing doesn't have Jeff Burton flustered. There were rumors about Paul Menard not returning to the #27 in 2014 (he is) and RCR has not announced a driver to replace the departing Kevin Harvick in the #29. The common belief is that Jeff Burton's contract is up after this season to drive the #31  but not so fast, he says. "My contract is not up," Burton told News/Talk WSB Thursday. "One of the things I find humorous at times with the media is that they assume facts. My contract is not up  I will be driving for RCR next year."
http://www.jayski.com/cupnews.htm#20130901d
 
StandOnIt said:
^^ this. and also this:
Burton says he will drive for RCR in 2014: All of the chatter about flux at Richard Childress Racing doesn't have Jeff Burton flustered. There were rumors about Paul Menard not returning to the #27 in 2014 (he is) and RCR has not announced a driver to replace the departing Kevin Harvick in the #29. The common belief is that Jeff Burton's contract is up after this season to drive the #31  but not so fast, he says. "My contract is not up," Burton told News/Talk WSB Thursday. "One of the things I find humorous at times with the media is that they assume facts. My contract is not up  I will be driving for RCR next year."
http://www.jayski.com/cupnews.htm#20130901d
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I don't believe those comments were as recent as these new rumors are, and where there's smoke there's usually fire. I'm not saying anything is done but I won't be the slightest bit shocked if he's on his way out.

That's all fine and dandy that he's got a contract for next year. However if Childress wants to move him out for Newman then it doesn't matter if he's got a contract or not (RCR would likely just have to pay the salary to make him go away). Of course Burton says he's going to drive for RCR next year, he's assuming he won't be fired.
 
dale jarrett during the broadcast mentioned that newman had a deal in hand and was keeping it quiet. Newman does his own contracts he doesn't use an agent so things are probably more tight lipped than most.
 
hidesert cowboy said:
dale jarrett during the broadcast mentioned that newman had a deal in hand and was keeping it quiet. Newman does his own contracts he doesn't use an agent so things are probably more tight lipped than most.
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I heard that too said it would be announced soon. I wonder if they're waiting to find a landing spot for Burton?

Or maybe it's with FRR? Don't know why they would wait if it's with them though, unless they want the Chase to be set first.
 
3wideinturn1 said:
I don't believe those comments were as recent as these new rumors are, and where there's smoke there's usually fire. I'm not saying anything is done but I won't be the slightest bit shocked if he's on his way out.

That's all fine and dandy that he's got a contract for next year. However if Childress wants to move him out for Newman then it doesn't matter if he's got a contract or not (RCR would likely just have to pay the salary to make him go away). Of course Burton says he's going to drive for RCR next year, he's assuming he won't be fired.
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he has a contract, that is why you have them. Kurt didn't have one purposely so he could move, Newman's was up as was Harvick's. You livin in a fantasy world dude. Burton could get bought out by childress if HE agreed to it, or if he didn't honor his contractural obligations, he could be released, but this isn't like an employee/employer setup, this is a contractual partnership.
 
StandOnIt said:
he has a contract, that is why you have them. Kurt didn't have one purposely so he could move, Newman's was up as was Harvick's. You livin in a fantasy world dude. Burton could get bought out by childress if HE agreed to it, or if he didn't honor his contractural obligations, he could be released, but this isn't like an employee/employer setup, this is a contractual partnership.
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LOL ok thanks for that, my pet unicorn told me that if I check my lucky charms every morning then I'll have a pot of gold by the end of the week :)

WTF are you talking about? He could be released/fired at any time, he would just be owed the money left on the deal.

Kasey Kahne got fired by RPM a couple years ago, Eliott Sadler got fired before his contract was up. Regan Smith was released just last year with time left on his contract. Bobby Labonte had a contract to run the 47 full time this year, did that stop JTG from bringing in Allmendigner?

It may not be a traditional employer/employee relationship but the driver is still subcontracted by the race team to drive for them. At any point if the race team see's fit, the driver can be replaced regardless of whether or not there's a contract in place. It happens all the time. When you hire a contractor to let's say redo your kitchen, at any point in time if I'm not happy with the services provided you can stop said work in favour of another contractor. Maybe you'll be on the hook for the money, maybe not all depends on the language of the contract. However you won't have an unwanted worker continuing the work if you don't want them too.
 
yeah well elliot sadler got lawyers and threatened to sue and RPM didn't push the issue and retained sadler. I don't recall kasey getting fired?? most of these contracts have some sort of performance provision regan smiths deal may have been he had to be in the top 20 in points or something to that effect. scott speed also sued red bull and I think they settled with him. most of the contracts are structured to the effect of base salary then 40-50% of the winnings. for a basic driver like say a david gilliand that can be say $500,000 grand a season base, then 40% of winnings. to say a kevin harvick who would be 4-5 million then half of winnings. So if an owner wants the driver out early I would assume either they didn't meet whatever performance clause there was or they get to buyout the remainder of the base salary in the contract. Also I am sure is a factor is sponsorship, the team owners have to have something to the effect of if sponsorship is obtained. maybe RCR is able to say burton, dude we don't have sponsorship to run you next year. then newman comes in with quicken loans and with a half season paid for its much easier to fill in the dots.
 
hidesert cowboy said:
yeah well elliot sadler got lawyers and threatened to sue and RPM didn't push the issue and retained sadler. I don't recall kasey getting fired?? most of these contracts have some sort of performance provision regan smiths deal may have been he had to be in the top 20 in points or something to that effect. scott speed also sued red bull and I think they settled with him. most of the contracts are structured to the effect of base salary then 40-50% of the winnings. for a basic driver like say a david gilliand that can be say $500,000 grand a season base, then 40% of winnings. to say a kevin harvick who would be 4-5 million then half of winnings. So if an owner wants the driver out early I would assume either they didn't meet whatever performance clause there was or they get to buyout the remainder of the base salary in the contract. Also I am sure is a factor is sponsorship, the team owners have to have something to the effect of if sponsorship is obtained. maybe RCR is able to say burton, dude we don't have sponsorship to run you next year. then newman comes in with quicken loans and with a half season paid for its much easier to fill in the dots.
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In 2010, after he had signed on with Hendrick for 2012, he had some mechanical failures and he basically called the team out for running cheaper parts. The next week he was out of a job and I think he may have finished that year at Red Bull.

I'm just saying that a team is well within their means to terminate a driver and bring in another one. Whether they have to pay them or not is moot at that point because someone else is driving. It's not unprecedented for a team to dismiss a driver early.

Kurt Busch had years left on his contract at Penske, shouldn't he still be there? He said it was a "mutual parting of ways" but the fact of the matter was that the sponsor and team were going to fire him and he wouldn't be driving their car anymore one way or another.
 
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3wideinturn1 said:
In 2010, after he had signed on with Hendrick for 2012, he had some mechanical failures and he basically called the team out for running cheaper parts. The next week he was out of a job and I think he may have finished that year at Red Bull.

I'm just saying that a team is well within their means to terminate a driver and bring in another one. Whether they have to pay them or not is moot at that point because someone else is driving. It's not unprecedented for a team to dismiss a driver early.

Kurt Busch had years left on his contract at Penske, shouldn't he still be there? He said it was a "mutual parting of ways" but the fact of the matter was that the sponsor and team were going to fire him and he wouldn't be driving their car anymore one way or another.
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More make up about Kahne dude. It was an amicable separation from Petty, Kasey refused to drive it and Petty had contractual grounds for dismissal which was fine from the other party Kahne.. You don't get what a legal contract is.
Story here: http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/motor/nascar/2010-10-20-kasey-kahne-released_N.htm

Kurt and Penske agreed to part ways.

"I realized I just needed to put the fun back in racing. I needed a fresh start. Walking way from a great organization and a lucrative contract, it's not easy," he said in the video. "But it allows me to take a deep breath and work on things that can make me a better driver and a better person

"It's important for people to understand the nature of what we've done,'' Denker said. "It's a mutual separation. Kurt came to the conclusion and we have as well that it's time to move on. Kurt has been a terrific driver for us.

http://espn.go.com/racing/nascar/cup/story/_/id/7318544/kurt-busch-leaves-penske-racing-mutual-split
 
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StandOnIt said:
he has a contract, that is why you have them. Kurt didn't have one purposely so he could move, Newman's was up as was Harvick's. You livin in a fantasy world dude. Burton could get bought out by childress if HE agreed to it, or if he didn't honor his contractural obligations, he could be released, but this isn't like an employee/employer setup, this is a contractual partnership.
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Also there could be a buy out clause too. We never know for sure.
 
StandOnIt said:
More make up about Kahne dude. It was an amicable separation from Petty, Kasey refused to drive it and Petty had contractual grounds for dismissal which was fine from the other party Kahne.. You don't get what a legal contract is.
Story here: http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/motor/nascar/2010-10-20-kasey-kahne-released_N.htm

Kurt and Penske agreed to part ways.

"I realized I just needed to put the fun back in racing. I needed a fresh start. Walking way from a great organization and a lucrative contract, it's not easy," he said in the video. "But it allows me to take a deep breath and work on things that can make me a better driver and a better person

"It's important for people to understand the nature of what we've done,'' Denker said. "It's a mutual separation. Kurt came to the conclusion and we have as well that it's time to move on. Kurt has been a terrific driver for us.

http://espn.go.com/racing/nascar/cup/story/_/id/7318544/kurt-busch-leaves-penske-racing-mutual-split
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I get what 3wide is saying. RCR doesn't have to field a car for Burton, might still have to pay him, but in the end of the day he can lock Burton out of the race shop if he wanted to. While I am sure Burton can retain a lawyer if he wants, but it will all end in a settlement when it is all said and done. My guess is on the RPM/Sadler front it was probably cheaper to just run Sadler that extra year so they retained him. That might not be the case for RCR/Burton and they possibly maybe working on the buy out now with another team swooping in purchasing Burton's contract. Burton then has to agree to it.

If the new deal is setup like FRR is with RCR then it will be like Burton never left. FRR is like a 4th RCR car, they sit in every RCR meeting, and have access to all of RCR resources. If they new deal is set up like that then not much is changing for Burton other than car number/crew.
 
Jeffrey00 said:
I get what 3wide is saying. RCR doesn't have to field a car for Burton, might still have to pay him, but in the end of the day he can lock Burton out of the race shop if he wanted to. While I am sure Burton can retain a lawyer if he wants, but it will all end in a settlement when it is all said and done. My guess is on the RPM/Sadler front it was probably cheaper to just run Sadler that extra year so they retained him. That might not be the case for RCR/Burton and they possibly maybe working on the buy out now with another team swooping in purchasing Burton's contract. Burton then has to agree to it.

If the new deal is setup like FRR is with RCR then it will be like Burton never left. FRR is like a 4th RCR car, they sit in every RCR meeting, and have access to all of RCR resources. If they new deal is set up like that then not much is changing for Burton other than car number/crew.
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Exactly... this is what I'm saying, at the end of the day if Childress doesn't want him there any more, he's gone.
 
StandOnIt said:
More make up about Kahne dude. It was an amicable separation from Petty, Kasey refused to drive it and Petty had contractual grounds for dismissal which was fine from the other party Kahne.. You don't get what a legal contract is.
Story here: http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/motor/nascar/2010-10-20-kasey-kahne-released_N.htm

Kurt and Penske agreed to part ways.

"I realized I just needed to put the fun back in racing. I needed a fresh start. Walking way from a great organization and a lucrative contract, it's not easy," he said in the video. "But it allows me to take a deep breath and work on things that can make me a better driver and a better person

"It's important for people to understand the nature of what we've done,'' Denker said. "It's a mutual separation. Kurt came to the conclusion and we have as well that it's time to move on. Kurt has been a terrific driver for us.

http://espn.go.com/racing/nascar/cup/story/_/id/7318544/kurt-busch-leaves-penske-racing-mutual-split
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I fully understand what a legal contract is, perhaps you don't? It, in most case guarantee's compensation for services rendered but it does NOT guarantee employment. Drivers, pro athletes, general contractors, or just short term interns all have contracts that will provide them with compensation for their time and or work, but it doesn't necessarily guarantee that the employment term will be completed. Contracts are cut short all the time, in all walks of life, usually the money is paid out and both parties walk away happy, it's called a buy-out in most cases. Either way, I'm not sure you or I will agree on this.

Furthermore if you really think Kurt just gave up all that cash left on his deal then you're out to lunch. He was obviously bought out of his contract and Penske let him save face so he could possibly get another job. For all intensive purposes he was fired by Shell.
 
3wideinturn1 said:
I fully understand what a legal contract is, perhaps you don't? It, in most case guarantee's compensation for services rendered but it does NOT guarantee employment. Drivers, pro athletes, general contractors, or just short term interns all have contracts that will provide them with compensation for their time and or work, but it doesn't necessarily guarantee that the employment term will be completed. Contracts are cut short all the time, in all walks of life, usually the money is paid out and both parties walk away happy, it's called a buy-out in most cases. Either way, I'm not sure you or I will agree on this.

Furthermore if you really think Kurt just gave up all that cash left on his deal then you're out to lunch. He was obviously bought out of his contract and Penske let him save face so he could possibly get another job. For all intensive purposes he was fired by Shell.
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Glad you were there and have the inside track on that deal.o_O
 
3wideinturn1 said:
I fully understand what a legal contract is, perhaps you don't? It, in most case guarantee's compensation for services rendered but it does NOT guarantee employment. Drivers, pro athletes, general contractors, or just short term interns all have contracts that will provide them with compensation for their time and or work, but it doesn't necessarily guarantee that the employment term will be completed. Contracts are cut short all the time, in all walks of life, usually the money is paid out and both parties walk away happy, it's called a buy-out in most cases. Either way, I'm not sure you or I will agree on this.

Furthermore if you really think Kurt just gave up all that cash left on his deal then you're out to lunch. He was obviously bought out of his contract and Penske let him save face so he could possibly get another job. For all intensive purposes he was fired by Shell.
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it's intents and purposes

Other than that, imo you're spot on.
 
you all go ahead and live in your fantasy world. In a land in which unwritten contracts..marriage ..guarantee you can't be fired or run off without something in return. but according to you wankers, sports contracts written by lawyers for independent contractors and team owners and sponsors aren't worth the paper they are written on. Labor contracts..nah they don't count..treaties..hail no..we wankers just make stuff up and then try to lie out of it..guess what..that is why we have contracts to keep the parties honest.
 
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