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reck said:
Quite a few things.

1.Doesn't run on lower tier series to spoil the party
2.Makes great and funny commercials
3.Has greater influence on what goes on in NASCAR and what they do (gets given a sole 13th spot :D)
4.Still wants to win at this stage in his career
5.Shows his fans that he still cares and wants to win
6.Still pops off a win here and there on a year to year basis

I call that a pretty solid list of what he's done for me Buck, wouldn't you say? :)
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Even kyle can do that, but he too busy winning races
 
StoneTown said:
Well, Kyle only wants to win 72 more races to get to 200.
Nationwide and Trucks could just let him win everything and get it over in the next 2 years.
Otherwise he's gonna do this for another 6-7 years.
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That shouldn't even be a relevant stat. Yes, Richard Petty won a ton of 100 lap races when they ran 60 races a year but he still did it in the top NASCAR series and he only raced, on average, 33 races per season whereas we're counting a bunch of minor league wins for Kyle Busch who races an average of like 65 races a year.
 
BobbyFord said:
I'm not singling out Gordon because he's your driver. I'm singling out Gordon because you used him as an example.
Gordon, although an amazing driver and a pillar of the sport, is at the end of his career. While the drivers that you compared him to may not achieve 4 Championships, they will all have more wins than Gordon in the next decade.
In other threads, we've all argued who is the best all-time driver. IMO, Petty wouldn't compare with today's drivers. Earnhardt wouldn't win 7 Championships today.
Whose the best driver? Hard to say. It'd be easier to discern if the rules remained the same throughout the years.
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That may as well be the case but it still doesn't make sense to bring that up because that's not what was being discussed.

But now that you have brought that up, do you honestly think those guys are beating Gordon because they happen to run other series? Experience wise Gordon has more than of al them combine. Agree or disagree?

Again, this was about what Nitro Dude first brought up which was the question of if the guys that run NW and Cup in the same weekend have an advatnage on the cup guys and I mentioned the few that they most likely wouldn't have an advantaged on.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
That shouldn't even be a relevant stat. Yes, Richard Petty won a ton of 100 lap races when they ran 60 races a year but he still did it in the top NASCAR series and he only raced, on average, 33 races per season whereas we're counting a bunch of minor league wins for Kyle Busch who races an average of like 65 races a year.
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Didn't Petty wear a football helmet and occupy a vehicle with a bench seat and chrome bumpers for many of those "victories?"
 
reck said:
That may as well be the case but it still doesn't make sense to bring that up because that's not what was being discussed.

But now that you have brought that up, do you honestly think those guys are beating Gordon because they happen to run other series? Experience wise Gordon has more than of al them combine. Agree or disagree?

Again, this was about what Nitro Dude first brought up which was the question of if the guys that run NW and Cup in the same weekend have an advatnage on the cup guys and I mentioned the few that they most likely wouldn't have an advantaged on.
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Um...you brought it up ;)
 
BobbyFord said:
Didn't Petty wear a football helmet and occupy a vehicle with a bench seat and chrome bumpers for many of those "victories?"
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Doesn't matter, he still won in the elite series.

Let's start counting certain players' home runs and RBIs from Triple-A, Double-A and Class-A when we want to compare them to Babe Ruth. Let's count Peyton Manning's college and varsity high school stats when we want to compare him to Johnny Unitas.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Doesn't matter, he still won in the elite series.

Let's start counting certain players' home runs and RBIs from Triple-A, Double-A and Class-A when we want to compare them to Babe Ruth. Let's count Peyton Manning's college and varsity high school stats when we want to compare him to Johnny Unitas.
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Wrong thread. This is about cars, not balls & sticks.
 
This is what I innitially said..

"Not really. Not in the long run and it certainly doesn't give them a bigger advantage against the veterans like Gordon, Jimmie, Stewart and other old time vets."

And this is what you said..

BobbyFord said:
o_O
Most of the aforementioned drivers have more wins in the past five years than Gordon.
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You brought up them winning more than him for some reason which has nothing to do with the fact that whatever experience those guys are gaining on NW Gordon and the guys I mentioned already have plenty of plus more.
 
reck said:
This is what I innitially said..

"Not really. Not in the long run and it certainly doesn't give them a bigger advantage against the veterans like Gordon, Jimmie, Stewart and other old time vets."

And this is what you said..



You brought up them winning more than him for some reason which has nothing to do with the fact that whatever experience those guys are gaining on NW Gordon and the guys I mentioned already have plenty of plus more.
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And while I agree with what you're saying, times change. Some drivers get older and start winning less while younger drivers begin to win more often. The sport evolves, older drivers do not adapt as well as the newcomers. Like I said, Gordon is a legend but his time is over. It is difficult to compare drivers from different eras and when different rules were in place.
I don't believe Gordon would win as many Championships as he has, had he been racing the level of competition present today.
It's nothing against Gordon or anyone else that was successful before him. It's simply inevitable.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
That shouldn't even be a relevant stat. Yes, Richard Petty won a ton of 100 lap races when they ran 60 races a year but he still did it in the top NASCAR series and he only raced, on average, 33 races per season whereas we're counting a bunch of minor league wins for Kyle Busch who races an average of like 65 races a year.
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Thanks Captain Obvious. Have any other obvious points to make? I was obviously making a freaking joke. Lighten up, doofus.
 
FWIW, Richard Petty never drove a Cup car that would remotely compare with a Nationwide car of today.
It would be similar to showing up with a slingshot at the OK Corral.
 
There is no arguing against one fact. Kybu's wins in the minor leagues is just that, wins in the minor leagues. You can soft soap it, you can spin it, you can hang it from the flagpole and scream it out loud and you can wrap it up in lettuce and eat it but it is what it is, minor league wins.
 
Johali said:
There is no arguing against one fact. Kybu's wins in the minor leagues is just that, wins in the minor leagues. You can soft soap it, you can spin it, you can hang it from the flagpole and scream it out loud and you can wrap it up in lettuce and eat it but it is what it is, minor league wins.
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And, IMO is as fast as Richard Petty ever was. You cannot compare the two. If you want to compare Petty and Kyle, post the lap times.
Like I said, it ain't the same. By today's standards, Petty would have to take a provisional at every race.
 
BobbyFord said:
And, IMO is as fast as Richard Petty ever was. You cannot compare the two. If you want to compare Petty and Kyle, post the lap times.
Like I said, it ain't the same. By today's standards, Petty would have to take a provisional at every race.
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Nothing in my post was comparing kybu and Petty. I simply stated what I perceive to be the truth about minor league wins. They are just that ,minor league wins.
 
Johali said:
Nothing in my post was comparing kybu and Petty. I simply stated what I perceive to be the truth about minor league wins. They are just that ,minor league wins.
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I'm not arguing with that. When Richard started there wasn't a lower series.
 
Johali said:
There is no arguing against one fact. Kybu's wins in the minor leagues is just that, wins in the minor leagues. You can soft soap it, you can spin it, you can hang it from the flagpole and scream it out loud and you can wrap it up in lettuce and eat it but it is what it is, minor league wins.
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Nobody here ever stated different.
Some people just have their noses out of joint because he had the gall to show up and everything since has been in response to them.
 
Johali said:
There is no arguing against one fact. Kybu's wins in the minor leagues is just that, wins in the minor leagues. You can soft soap it, you can spin it, you can hang it from the flagpole and scream it out loud and you can wrap it up in lettuce and eat it but it is what it is, minor league wins.
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I bet Harvick and Kenseth would object to being called minor league drivers :D
 
There was one series for most of Petty's career. The bums ran with the fast guys. This is part of why I say that you cannot compare Kyle and RP. Different cars, different times. But, IMO, if anyone thinks Richard Petty would get 200 wins against the current Cup field then I need to get a sack of whatever you're smokin', because it must be some wicked ****t.
 
BobbyFord said:
And while I agree with what you're saying, times change. Some drivers get older and start winning less while younger drivers begin to win more often. The sport evolves, older drivers do not adapt as well as the newcomers. Like I said, Gordon is a legend but his time is over. It is difficult to compare drivers from different eras and when different rules were in place.
I don't believe Gordon would win as many Championships as he has, had he been racing the level of competition present today.
It's nothing against Gordon or anyone else that was successful before him. It's simply inevitable.
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He stole 3 championships from Earnhardt... level of competition?
 
BobbyFord said:
There was one series for most of Petty's career. The bums ran with the fast guys. This is part of why I say that you cannot compare Kyle and RP. Different cars, different times. But, IMO, if anyone thinks Richard Petty would get 200 wins against the current Cup field then I need to get a sack of whatever you're smokin', because it must be some wicked ****t.
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When Kyle Busch wins seven Sprint Cup titles, we'll talk.
 
When my dad took me to my first race, my driver was his driver, David Pearson. After Pearson, I liked Davey Allison. When Davey died, I went with Rusty. IMO, Rusty lost his nerve when Dale died. I went with Carl. Meanwhile, I was watching a crazy kid, driving for Roush in the truck series with a big right foot, named Kyle Busch. I love the sport but I know that the young guys eventually go faster than their heroes.
In order to truly appreciate the sport, I believe that you have to evolve with it. It doesn't mean that you turn your back on what it was. It's that you recognize what it was while embracing what it has become and what it can be. I don't like every current driver out there but I wouldn't mind being any single one of them on raceday.
 
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