NO SUSPENSION FOR THE #24

FenderBumper said:
They were "were essentially the same thing", dummy.

1) The both lost control of their anger.
2) They both took out a championship contender.
3) They are both assholes.
4) They are both chicken**** pussies.

...oh wait, Jeff did it under green. Nevermind. :rolleyes:
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I'm somewhat surprised that they aren't simply blaming what Gordon did on bad luck or, as they've been doing all year.
 
Let S&P teams know they'll be compensated for each time they take him out.:)
 
I didn't think NASCAR would suspend Gordon. I'm sure Kyle Busch is asking why not.
 
The guys that protected Gordon should be disciplined. You shouldn’t be able to carry on like a Charles Bronson death wish “ I am bad to the bone , don’t mess with me, I will make you pay bad man” and then be shielded by your secret service wannabees once you are out the 3400 lb. cocoon. If you are the man on the track, then be ready to get out the car and looks folks in the eye.

Folks go off about drivers not wanting to interview after a bad day even when that driver didn’t pull this type of stunt. If anybody needed to man up Sunday and take what was coming, it should have been Gordon.
 
Trying to reason with the JG haters and baiters on here is a complete waste of time. My opinion is, what he did was long overdue and CB should consider it even since the times he took JG out almost caused him to miss the chase and also if you look at the replay closely he clearly cut JG's tire down. That will remain my opinion regardless of what grumpy old coots and baiters have to say.
 
Johali said:
Trying to reason with the JG haters and baiters on here is a complete waste of time. My opinion is, what he did was long overdue and CB should consider it even since the times he took JG out almost caused him to miss the chase and also if you look at the replay closely he clearly cut JG's tire down. That will remain my opinion regardless of what grumpy old coots and baiters have to say.
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I'm far from a Jeff Gordon hater. I root for him regularly but I don't remember all of these run ins with Clint Bowyer. Martinsville almost caused Gordon to miss the Chase? Seriously? Gordon had a lot of bad days that were the cause of his barely getting into the Chase. Heck, he finished 14th that day. That front row was a sitting duck on old tires. He wasn't going to win that race.

What Gordon did was wrong, plain and simple. It was an overreaction to a racing deal. Gordon snapped and several paid the price. A good 'man up' after the race would have been a great way to handle that situation and probably would have put an end to their deal in their eyes. They way I see it now I'm betting Clint feels like he owes him one. Not a punt into the wall at Homestead. At least not this year anyhow. ;) He'll wait until it really means something.
 
I like how Tony and Juan worked it a couple years back. Tony hit Juan, Juan Punted Tony. No brawl, no nasty words. That's how I like it to work.

I just wish JJ would punt Juan for once.
 
There has been and always will be retaliation between drivers. Sometimes it is subtle and sometimes it is blatant, what's the difference? I don't like it when innocent drivers get caught up in it but - I hate to say it - "that's racing". Craven on ESPN pointed out that drivers have long memories. I think all drivers understand it, they just can't say what they really think for PC reasons.

As far as the Gordon deal goes, I was really surprised at his action. But I'm guessing there is more to it than just what we saw in the race and the replay of the Martinsville deal. I'm guessing Gordon has a long fuse and Bowyer lit it too many times.

I think the best example of an intentional takeout in recent years was Hornish in ARCA. Horish was going to win the championship in the last race, the second place guy took him out late in the race and he was going to win the championship. Hornish changed tires and took out the guy plain and simple - the third place guy won the championship. That was justice.
 
I think you mean Scott Speed, who retaliated against Stenhouse and let Allgaier win.
 
I think you mean Scott Speed, who retaliated against Stenhouse and let Allgaier win.
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Yes, you are right

And I should have said that retaliation is a part of racing - not the best part. You can tell the kids to play nicely - but someone will get mad sooner or later.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
I'm far from a Jeff Gordon hater. I root for him regularly but I don't remember all of these run ins with Clint Bowyer. Martinsville almost caused Gordon to miss the Chase? Seriously? Gordon had a lot of bad days that were the cause of his barely getting into the Chase. Heck, he finished 14th that day. That front row was a sitting duck on old tires. He wasn't going to win that race.

What Gordon did was wrong, plain and simple. It was an overreaction to a racing deal. Gordon snapped and several paid the price. A good 'man up' after the race would have been a great way to handle that situation and probably would have put an end to their deal in their eyes. They way I see it now I'm betting Clint feels like he owes him one. Not a punt into the wall at Homestead. At least not this year anyhow. ;) He'll wait until it really means something.
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Like I said DP, I wont argue the issue but I'm certain that you have stood up for Jr & Sr for their many forays into the payback world on the track which there have been far too many to count.
 
Johali said:
Like I said DP, I wont argue the issue but I'm certain that you have stood up for Jr & Sr for their many forays into the payback world on the track which there have been far too many to count.
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You don't know me as well as you may think. I'm not a fan of what I saw the other day whether it's an Earnhardt, Gordon, Busch, Edwards, etc.....
 
I realize some Gordon fans are still grieved over the spring Martinsville race, and just saying Bowyer or Reuti in the same paragraph is low life of me, I am so ashamed.

But can one of you post the list of other things Bowyer has done to a Just man like Gordon that built up to Sundays big event. I am talking about those four or five other offenses that are being referred to that finally pushed Gordon to the limit.

With hot pass on directv,or services like race view I thinking some of you watch Gordon on every lap, and the examples will be easy to provide.

Thank you.
 
St Jeff was faster with Evernhams

And a lot more Christians with Miss Brooke .

He would have at least thanked the Lord for helping him to wreck Clint, and for not getting a butt whipping as the angels shielded him.

Jeff it wasn't the mullet that helped you, you ain't Sampson. It was Ray, Brooke, and the Bible studies that made you.


Amen
 
I don't know about the impact that Jesus Christ has on any of this - but if He did have any control over what transpires in NA$$CAR, I am certain that He would, at the very least, institute a level of consistency to the rules enforcement.

How is a casual NA$$CAR Fan supposed to process the penalties NOT levied to Carl Edwards when he INTENTIONALLY wrecked Brad in that Nationwide race, vs the weekend parking of Kyle Busch for INTENTIONALLY wrecking Hornady in a freaking Truck Race vs. the penalties NOT levied against Jeff Gordon for INTENTIONALLY wrecking Clint last weekend.

He could turn water into wine - but I seriously doubt that even He could make any sense out of NA$$CAR's arbitrary enforcement policies.

It's bullsh!t. Face it. Jeff should NOT be allowed to race in Florida. Not only did he take out a legitimate title contender, he also caused Logano and Almirola to crash - causing untold Dollars worth of damage to those driver's cars and final points standings.

Too bad that Jeffie didn't take over for Regis - cause his days a a fan favorite should be O-V-E-R
 
robbybee said:
I don't know about the impact that Jesus Christ has on any of this - but if He did have any control over what transpires in NA$$CAR, I am certain that He would, at the very least, institute a level of consistency to the rules enforcement.

How is a casual NA$$CAR Fan supposed to process the penalties NOT levied to Carl Edwards when he INTENTIONALLY wrecked Brad in that Nationwide race, vs the weekend parking of Kyle Busch for INTENTIONALLY wrecking Hornady in a freaking Truck Race vs. the penalties NOT levied against Jeff Gordon for INTENTIONALLY wrecking Clint last weekend.

He could turn water into wine - but I seriously doubt that even He could make any sense out of NA$$CAR's arbitrary enforcement policies.

It's bullsh!t. Face it. Jeff should NOT be allowed to race in Florida. Not only did he take out a legitimate title contender, he also caused Logano and Almirola to crash - causing untold Dollars worth of damage to those driver's cars and final points standings.

Too bad that Jeffie didn't take over for Regis - cause his days a a fan favorite should be O-V-E-R
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I think Nascar looks at a drivers body of work. I don't think Jeff has been penalized for driver behavior or conduct prior to Sunday the He has been more passive than aggressive in that regard.

Kyle already had a running history, and as foolish as Harvick can be Kyle did take him at Darlington last year. He hit an RCR truck out of anger, flipped the finger at an official etc. With the Busch's there was a history and their suspensions were given after the escalation a long standing problem.

Harvick had repeated run ins with Biffle, Rudd, Bobby Hamilton prior to the suspending truck incident (with Coy Gibbs I think).

I am not sure how Edwards got off so easy by flipping Brad at Atlanta.
But it is slippery slope, no perfect call exist. It is going to be heavy handed or lame..
 
Please , please , let's not be calling for Nascar to be big brother and penalize every act and cuss word . Drivers and sponsors are actually in control. They will take action as necessary .
 
ted@economy said:
Please , please , let's not be calling for Nascar to be big brother and penalize every act and cuss word . Drivers and sponsors are actually in control. They will take action as necessary .
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Blaming fans for nascar's decisions is like blaming voters for a politicians actions. Nascar IS NOT a democracy.
 
ted@economy said:
Please , please , let's not be calling for Nascar to be big brother and penalize every act and cuss word . Drivers and sponsors are actually in control. They will take action as necessary .
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I'm not asking for Big Brother tactics. I just want some frigging concistency in how they enforce their rules (whatever they might be).

Jeff's actions eliminated any chance that Clint had of staying alive in the Championship hunt. Jeff's actions also caused a great deal of damage to two other cars in the field. The fact that he's been a model citizen does not change the fact that he endangered the well-being of other drivers - and he admittedly did it intentionally!

I guess that Richard Childress doesn't have the huevos to take off his watch and challenge Gordon to a fight after one of his cars was wrecked in a bonehead move by Gordo. And NA$$CAR apparently doesn't have the huevos to challenge the great and noble Hendrick Racing Stable.

Tragic...
 
robbybee said:
I guess that Richard Childress doesn't have the huevos to take off his watch and challenge Gordon to a fight after one of his cars was wrecked in a bonehead move by Gordo.
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What RCR car got tore up in the Gordo move?I thought it was Logano?
 
Wasn't it Menard's car that was pinned to the fence?
If it was the 20 car, I apologize to RC for questioning his manhood! lol
The 43 slid in afterwards.
I can't envision Joe Gibbs or Richard Petty taking off his watch...
Petty pointing that long boney finger of his is another story though.
 
robbybee said:
Wasn't it Menard's car that was pinned to the fence?
If it was the 20 car, I apologize to RC for questioning his manhood! lol
The 43 slid in afterwards.
I can't envision Joe Gibbs or Richard Petty taking off his watch...
Petty pointing that long boney finger of his is another story though.
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Menard was one of the ones (I think) that got into the back of Patrick on the GWC.
 
Greg said:
I think Nascar looks at a drivers body of work. I don't think Jeff has been penalized for driver behavior or conduct prior to Sunday the He has been more passive than aggressive in that regard.

Kyle already had a running history, and as foolish as Harvick can be Kyle did take him at Darlington last year. He hit an RCR truck out of anger, flipped the finger at an official etc. With the Busch's there was a history and their suspensions were given after the escalation a long standing problem.

Harvick had repeated run ins with Biffle, Rudd, Bobby Hamilton prior to the suspending truck incident (with Coy Gibbs I think).

I am not sure how Edwards got off so easy by flipping Brad at Atlanta.
But it is slippery slope, no perfect call exist. It is going to be heavy handed or lame..
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Kyle was also on probation when he wrecked Hornaday
 
Sunday was just a sad moment for a man who isn't king of the Hill anymore. Being a victim rather than a winner has become the norm, and his performance has become Hendricks weakest link.

Bowyer is just an easy excuse, and taking out an MW car was just another miscalculation by the victim. Wreck Bowyer and just watch them take it meekly, after all they probably feel lucky just to be in the chase.
An act of poor judgement wanting to make em pay for his own frustrating year. When winning becomes to hard just pull a scorched earth stunt, after it has been years since Gordon's driving was a November story. Maybe this was the last time he will get a November headline.

Gordon for the most part has been classy throughout his career. But Sunday he behaved like a pouting Busch, Harvick, or Montoya when things aren't going well.
 
I remember being in a grocery line as a child before I had ever seen nascar or even really heard of it. But there was a lady wearing a Mark Martin T shirt. And the cashier commented on it. The Martin fan started talking about how Dale Earnhardt had taken done something to Mark. She was LIVID. I had never seen such passion in a grocery line.

It's kinda like those Harley riders say, "If I have to explain, you wouldn't understand"
 
MOEJOE said:
I remember being in a grocery line as a child before I had ever seen nascar or even really heard of it. But there was a lady wearing a Mark Martin T shirt. And the cashier commented on it. The Martin fan started talking about how Dale Earnhardt had taken done something to Mark. She was LIVID. I had never seen such passion in a grocery line.

It's kinda like those Harley riders say, "If I have to explain, you wouldn't understand"[/quote]


Yep, well said
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tkj24 said:
Kyle was also on probation when he wrecked Hornaday
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Are you sure about that? I know he had been on probation for the fun at Darlington with Harvick but that ended in June. He had flipped off a Nascar official but I don't recall probation for that :confused:
 
I like the comments just now on Speed from Gordon and Hendrick (and I don't even like Rick Hendrick).
I'm on Jeff's side on this deal. I don't condone what he did and when he did it but I like his target.
 
BobbyFord said:
I like the comments just now on Speed from Gordon and Hendrick (and I don't even like Rick Hendrick).
I'm on Jeff's side on this deal. I don't condone what he did and when he did it but I like his target.
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Does that mean Boyer will be driving for Rick next year?
 
NASCAR suspending Jeff for the last race would be like TMZ refusing to cover the Kardashians.

This kind of stuff is their life's blood.

Besdies...you gotta have a secondary story line since the points race is no longer all that close.
 
robbybee said:
I don't know about the impact that Jesus Christ has on any of this - but if He did have any control over what transpires in NA$$CAR, I am certain that He would, at the very least, institute a level of consistency to the rules enforcement.

How is a casual NA$$CAR Fan supposed to process the penalties NOT levied to Carl Edwards when he INTENTIONALLY wrecked Brad in that Nationwide race, vs the weekend parking of Kyle Busch for INTENTIONALLY wrecking Hornady in a freaking Truck Race vs. the penalties NOT levied against Jeff Gordon for INTENTIONALLY wrecking Clint last weekend.

He could turn water into wine - but I seriously doubt that even He could make any sense out of NA$$CAR's arbitrary enforcement policies.

It's bullsh!t. Face it. Jeff should NOT be allowed to race in Florida. Not only did he take out a legitimate title contender, he also caused Logano and Almirola to crash - causing untold Dollars worth of damage to those driver's cars and final points standings.

Too bad that Jeffie didn't take over for Regis - cause his days a a fan favorite should be O-V-E-R
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Or fining a small team out of existence for having an engine a hairs width to big (Carl Long) But a multi million dollar team only gets $100,000. You're right Nascar is full of s**t on this one.
 
It's funny the opinions of the NASCAR RaceDay studio monkeys on the Gordon/Bowyer incident. Kyle Petty just lost some points, as far as I'm concerned.
 
BobbyFord said:
It's funny the opinions of the NASCAR RaceDay studio monkeys on the Gordon/Bowyer incident. Kyle Petty just lost some points, as far as I'm concerned.
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Kyle Petty still had points? He lost the last of his points with me quite a while ago. Well, what few he had to begin with anyway.
 
More details coming out on this phone conversation between Gordon and Logano after Phoenix!

From Jayski:

JEFF GORDON: [...] And with Joey, you know, I'm not one that calls right away. I like things to kind of settle down. I'd really rather do face to face, but he called me and so I called him back, and I can't say it went exactly very well. I reached out to him again to try to get together with him here at the track, and I have not been able to speak with him.
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For those who missed it, Logano said on Twitter that he called Gordon after Phoenix and tried to get an apology and Gordon hung up on him.

I think Logano has a right to be pissed but the idea of calling up somebody and demanding an apology? Come on, now. "I'm really mad and you better say you're sorry!"
 
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