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Is it just me or do the networks rely way too much on these?

It was cool in the 90s but it doesn't offer anything to the broadcast to me. Nothing irritates me more than when there's a battle for position and the broadcast goes to someone's on board camera and you don't actually see anything.

It would be like showing an entire NFL offensive drive from a camera on a couple players' helmets.
 
I like them, but when used at the right times.
 
The in-car camera shots showing the driver are pointless IMO. However, in-car and on-board shots that showcase actual racing are welcomed by me with open arms. It is a nice break from the normal action and you get to hear when and where a driver is lifting, braking, and accelerating in comparison to other drivers. As I mentioned in the Richmond race thread, the "gyro cam" was a fantastic addition to the in-car experience as you could see how the banking of the turns comes into play.
 
RacerrecaR said:
The in-car camera shots showing the driver are pointless IMO. However, in-car and on-board shots that showcase actual racing are welcomed by me with open arms. It is a nice break from the normal action and you get to hear when and where a driver is lifting, braking, and accelerating in comparison to other drivers. As I mentioned in the Richmond race thread, the "gyro cam" was a fantastic addition to the in-car experience as you could see how the banking of the turns comes into play.
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I liked the "foot camera" they used to use at the road courses. And it was cool in the 90s when someone was trying to pass the leader at Martinsville and you had the rear bumper camera and could see the second place car get right on the back bumper of the leader. But those added something to the broadcasts.

Now, not so much.

Three wide for third? Let's go on board with this car in sixth.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
I liked the "foot camera" they used to use at the road courses. And it was cool in the 90s when someone was trying to pass the leader at Martinsville and you had the rear bumper camera and could see the second place car get right on the back bumper of the leader. But those added something to the broadcasts.

Now, not so much.

Three wide for third? Let's go on board with this car in sixth.
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Agreed...but that's more of a broadcasting issue rather than a camera angle issue. 3-wide for third usually doesn't do much for me regardless, mainly because the camera is zoomed in so far you can't really see much. If I could see that battle develop from start to finish with how each car is handling on entry, middle, and exit of the turns, then I would be mostly fine with never having an on-board camera angle.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Right now, they're showing battles for position from someone's on board camera. This chaps my ass so much.
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And when they broke out of that, they were fully zoomed in on Larson for about 10 seconds. ;). Which one is better? I'll take the on-board.
 
RacerrecaR said:
Agreed...but that's more of a broadcasting issue rather than a camera angle issue. 3-wide for third usually doesn't do much for me regardless, mainly because the camera is zoomed in so far you can't really see much. If I could see that battle develop from start to finish with how each car is handling on entry, middle, and exit of the turns, then I would be mostly fine with never having an on-board camera angle.
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Tight shots suck. But it's better than some of the 90s broadcasts when they'd be racing for position and the cameras that were following it were obstructed by campers in the infield or the infield media center or other random things.
 
Jr goes up the track and the cameras are zoomed in on someone else instead. And now we get a replay from a couple on board cameras where you don't see anything.

This entire broadcast is making my blood pressure go up.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Jr goes up the track and the cameras are zoomed in on someone else instead. And now we get a replay from a couple on board cameras where you don't see anything.

This entire broadcast is making my blood pressure go up.
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RacerrecaR said:
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I've been watching racing my entire life and always preferred fox over whoever else had the contracts. This is the first year fox has chapped my ass but the broadcasts have been terrible.


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Biggreen695 said:
I've been watching racing my entire life and always preferred fox over whoever else had the contracts. This is the first year fox has chapped my ass but the broadcasts have been terrible.


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They were great with the video in the past, just had to mute the constant jabber
 
jws926 said:
I like them, but when used at the right times.
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And the only right time is for replays when they happen to have caught something unusual. They do nothing to show what's happening with the race as a whole. I still say whoever is picking the camera shots watched too many F&F movies.
 
They used to be pretty neat. The camera pointing at the driver is butt cheeks.

 
RacerrecaR said:
The in-car camera shots showing the driver are pointless IMO. However, in-car and on-board shots that showcase actual racing are welcomed by me with open arms. It is a nice break from the normal action and you get to hear when and where a driver is lifting, braking, and accelerating in comparison to other drivers. As I mentioned in the Richmond race thread, the "gyro cam" was a fantastic addition to the in-car experience as you could see how the banking of the turns comes into play.
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They can broadcast the in-car audio while showing it from the outside.

I wouldn't mind see the gyro cam return at banked tracks, but only a couple of time a race, for only two or three laps.
 
the goal when going to a race is getting the highest view possible. The tv broadcast should be doing the same. Being close to the track Gets old after about 2 laps, why the tv producers haven't figured this out after 40 years is mind boggling.
 
I have been complaining on Twitter and the Fan Council about this for years. At least today they used wide angles and aerial shots on restarts.

The sponsors pay a lot of money for them so they use them as much as they can.
 
Matthew2470 said:
I have been complaining on Twitter and the Fan Council about this for years. At least today they used wide angles and aerial shots on restarts.

The sponsors pay a lot of money for them so they use them as much as they can.
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It's always been a pet peeve of mine, but today was bad. I guess it's really raised my ire because the racing has been so damn good lately.

I also noticed a few years ago with the Daytona 500 that they change shots a lot more in the closing laps when the intensity picks up. They'll change cameras every two or three seconds, sort of like what they do in modern action movies.
 
I thought the Richmond race was a good broadcast. FF through the commercials, which solved the biggest problem for me. And today I learned something about wedge, including how it was measured "back in the day," which I appreciate. Thanks Larry Mac and DW, good job! Excellent race and excellent broadcast, IMO. I'm dreading the shift over to NBC in July.
 
irritates me when great racing on track is happening and we are stuck looking from inside a car.

another pet peeve: do away with the announcers talking to drivers during a caution. blah-blah-blah

if they want entertainment, see if the drivers will talk to them after an accident or a penalty!
 
Regarding in car camera shots I have 2 comments. Brian France is just giving the fans what they have asked for and everything is fine.
 
klemmabyna said:
irritates me when great racing on track is happening and we are stuck looking from inside a car.

another pet peeve: do away with the announcers talking to drivers during a caution. blah-blah-blah

if they want entertainment, see if the drivers will talk to them after an accident or a penalty!
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Or talk to them during the race, under green.

 
RacerrecaR said:
The in-car camera shots showing the driver are pointless IMO. However, in-car and on-board shots that showcase actual racing are welcomed by me with open arms. It is a nice break from the normal action and you get to hear when and where a driver is lifting, braking, and accelerating in comparison to other drivers. As I mentioned in the Richmond race thread, the "gyro cam" was a fantastic addition to the in-car experience as you could see how the banking of the turns comes into play.
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they are not pointless in a wreck......or a save. I think the networks do rely too heavily on them tho
 
I prefer the in-car for showing track action like wrecks, blown tire, etc AFTER the caution is thrown. Use it to review. NOT interrupt the live racing. Back the cameras up about 1/4 mile away and swing it around. Like they used to do. Save a ton on having 30 camera changes a lap.
 
ReturnTrip said:
They used to be pretty neat. The camera pointing at the driver is butt cheeks.

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This 4 and half minute video was more interesting in all aspects of racing, than the entire previous 10 seasons of the cup series.
From the camera angles, to the cars bouncing up and down, to the cars being spread out at Talladega, etc.
 
I've always liked the in-car camera view. I've never felt that it's taken away from the broadcast. It's only enhanced it for me. YMMV Now, the Digger Cam..... That's a whole other story. Well, at least their attempt to name and then turn it into a cartoon. Remember those days?
 
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