Op-Ed: NASCAR races should never finish under caution

dpkimmel2001 said:
Maybe you should be comparing the caution ending race to a quarterback kneeing the ball to end the game. Only, in football, we see that a few times a weekend. In NASCAR cautions ending the race have become more of a rarity. I disagree with the idea behind the thread. I think they already make a valid attempt now to give the fans a finish we'd all like to see.
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Quarterback going down on one knee is a much better comparison. I think nascar has done a decent job trying to end the race under green. I'm happy with what they do now.

It's better than it was, though I would like to see nascar red flag the race if a caution comes out in the last 15 laps to keep from seeing what we did in the NW finale last year.
 
Personally I think NASCAR needs to make it so every car HAS to make a pitstop for gas before a GWC. Thus it eliminates all the fuel milage aspect of the whole thing and we can actually finish these damn things out. That would also allow NASCAR to say, race isn't over until we get 2 laps in under green.
 
I dont want a race settled on a restart.
Period. It is pure BS.

If they have run under the green 497 miles, and a yellow comes out I would rather it finish under the yellow.

I dont want a green distorting who was better that day. If folks want a fabricated ending they should go watch some action movies, and leave something that is real alone.

Brian France has a soft brain and has already perverted the racing enough, trying to satisfy everybodies whim.
 
Greg said:
I dont want a race settled on a restart.
Period. It is pure BS.

If they have run under the green 497 miles, and a yellow comes out I would rather it finish under the yellow.

I dont want a green distorting who was better that day. If folks want a fabricated ending they should go watch some action movies, and leave something that is real alone.

Brian France has a soft brain and has already perverted the racing enough, trying to satisfy everybodies whim.
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I never really understood it either. If you're the leader at the end of 500 miles in a 500-mile race, you should win - regardless of what flag it's under. It's the same as counting laps under yellow during the rest of "regulation." As a driver you should be wary that a caution could come out at any time and work your way up to the lead rather having to be saved by a caution and getting a do-over.

If I remember right, a large part of why they implemented GWCs was because of all of the raw-assed Junior fans at Talladega in '04 who didn't like that Gordon beat their boy in the spring race because of where they were at the time of caution and subsequently threw all of the beer bottles and such onto the track. Not really the greatest bunch of fans to pander to.
 
beantownkid10 said:
Personally I think NASCAR needs to make it so every car HAS to make a pitstop for gas before a GWC. Thus it eliminates all the fuel milage aspect of the whole thing and we can actually finish these damn things out. That would also allow NASCAR to say, race isn't over until we get 2 laps in under green.
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Ehh, fuel mileage/strategy is part of what makes the end of a race interesting sometimes. Not allowing the race to end until at least two green flag laps are run has the potential to create some annoying marathon finishes, especially at tracks where the field tends to stay somewhat bunched up even under green, like the restrictor plate and short(er) tracks and the road courses.

The rule we have now is a nice compromise. It significantly reduces the possibility of a race ending under caution (seriously, how many races have we seen end under caution since the implementation of the multiple G-W-C rule?) while also eliminating the possibility of a marathon finish with like 100 G-W-C attempts after the white flag has come out. As I said before, at some point the race has to end, be it under green or under caution.
 
Mr. Gregory said:
Ehh, fuel mileage/strategy is part of what makes the end of a race interesting sometimes. Not allowing the race to end until at least two green flag laps are run has the potential to create some annoying marathon finishes, especially at tracks where the field tends to stay somewhat bunched up even under green, like the restrictor plate and short(er) tracks and the road courses.

The rule we have now is a nice compromise. It significantly reduces the possibility of a race ending under caution (seriously, how many races have we seen end under caution since the implementation of the multiple G-W-C rule?) while also eliminating the possibility of a marathon finish with like 100 G-W-C attempts after the white flag has come out. As I said before, at some point the race has to end, be it under green or under caution.
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Yeah, but fuel mileage/strategy are still in play there. You have to have the right strategy to get the 500/400 miles in the first place. Then when we add extra laps that we weren't supposed to have everyone is on the same footing so we can see some real racing at the end.

As for the marathon finishes, the odds of that are extremely remote. So what once every 4 or 5 years we get a race that takes 4 or 5 GWC's to finish. I see no problem with more racing. Especially intense racing like that at the end of a race.
 
FLRacingFan said:
I never really understood it either. If you're the leader at the end of 500 miles in a 500-mile race, you should win - regardless of what flag it's under. It's the same as counting laps under yellow during the rest of "regulation." As a driver you should be wary that a caution could come out at any time and work your way up to the lead rather having to be saved by a caution and getting a do-over.

If I remember right, a large part of why they implemented GWCs was because of all of the raw-assed Junior fans at Talladega in '04 who didn't like that Gordon beat their boy in the spring race because of where they were at the time of caution and subsequently threw all of the beer bottles and such onto the track. Not really the greatest bunch of fans to pander to.
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I think it was because they stopped racing to the yellow when Dale Jarretts spun car was stalled just in the front of the flagstand.

FTR I only threw chicken bones, the wifes panties and the dentures of the lady sitting beside me. I dont even drink and aint low class enough to throw a beer can :).

(Well really I wasnt even there).
 
Greg said:
I think it was because they stopped racing to the yellow when Dale Jarretts spun car was stalled just in the front of the flagstand.

FTR I only threw chicken bones, the wifes panties and the dentures of the lady sitting beside me. I dont even drink and aint low class enough to throw a beer can :).

(Well really I wasnt even there).
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lol

I think they started freezing the field in 2003 after the Jarrett New Hampshire incident but didn't start GWCs until mid-2004. I could be wrong, though.
 
Greg said:
I dont want a race settled on a restart.
Period. It is pure BS.

If they have run under the green 497 miles, and a yellow comes out I would rather it finish under the yellow.

I dont want a green distorting who was better that day. If folks want a fabricated ending they should go watch some action movies, and leave something that is real alone.

Brian France has a soft brain and has already perverted the racing enough, trying to satisfy everybodies whim.
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I agree with this 100%. I was never a fan of GWC, mainly because they're always a crash-fest.
 
My thought on not counting the caution laps or red flagging the race during a wreck , is that you can't do it when darkness is closing in . If you do , you have to postpone the finish till tomorrow and that would be crazy too . If you can't do it at tracks with no lights , then you can't do it at all.
 
ted@economy said:
My thought on not counting the caution laps or red flagging the race during a wreck , is that you can't do it when darkness is closing in . If you do , you have to postpone the finish till tomorrow and that would be crazy too . If you can't do it at tracks with no lights , then you can't do it at all.
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I wish every track had lights. I don't understand why/how some of them still don't. Cost, perhaps?

And yeah, I think if we were to stop counting caution laps, the races would almost certainly have to be shortened somewhat, and I don't want to see that happen.
 
good article andy.
time for change again. ....'14 an beyond.......no race should end under yellow......like dega last week.
specially in miami this fall !
excellent point that nobody's talkin bout...........champ crowned under yellow ?
 
one of the few if only racing organizations that ends like it does. most races are timed events that end when the clock runs out, under green, caution or red. But Nascar has continued to make changes to their racing format, and I won't be surprised if they change the finish. I don't care...whatever.
 
Homestead will be a farce, a championship will be decided by a one off event.
There is only one way to make matters any more ridiculous.

If one of the four contenders dominants the race, and then looses it over a GWC to one of the other three, the stupidity will only be compounded.

I sincerely hope it happens. The championship has been turned into a joke, and they might as well do it right. I also hope the scenario gets generated by a BS late caution as well.

Brian France is a damn fool and as difficult as it may be, I hope the fact gets profoundly manifested to the entire world at the biggest moment. He deserves the shame imo, and it needs to cut deep enough to keep his TV fluffing lackies from saving him.

Otherwise, I hope everybody has nice day :).
 
Greg said:
Homestead will be a farce, a championship will be decided by a one off event.
There is only one way to make matters any more ridiculous.

If one of the four contenders dominants the race, and then looses it over a GWC to one of the other three, the stupidity will only be compounded.

I sincerely hope it happens. The championship has been turned into a joke, and they might as well do it right. I also hope the scenario gets generated by a BS late caution as well.

Brian France is a damn fool and as difficult as it may be, I hope the fact gets profoundly manifested to the entire world at the biggest moment. He deserves the shame imo, and it needs to cut deep enough to keep his TV fluffing lackies from saving him.

Otherwise, I hope everybody has nice day :).
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last race has been a joke the last couple of years already, the winner just drove around in the pack. so whats your point
 
Greg said:
Homestead will be a farce, a championship will be decided by a one off event.
There is only one way to make matters any more ridiculous.

If one of the four contenders dominants the race, and then looses it over a GWC to one of the other three, the stupidity will only be compounded.

I sincerely hope it happens. The championship has been turned into a joke, and they might as well do it right. I also hope the scenario gets generated by a BS late caution as well.

Brian France is a damn fool and as difficult as it may be, I hope the fact gets profoundly manifested to the entire world at the biggest moment. He deserves the shame imo, and it needs to cut deep enough to keep his TV fluffing lackies from saving him.

Otherwise, I hope everybody has nice day :).
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if brian's fact gets profoundly manifested in miami.....lord knows what'll happen ta nascar in '15 !
 
mreed said:
The winner/champion just drove around the track because he earned enough points in the preceding races to do that.

Why should those races not count towards the championship?
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cause they don't anymore. ......when will '14 reality sink in w/ you guys ?
 
mreed said:
The winner/champion just drove around the track because he earned enough points in the preceding races to do that.

Why should those races not count towards the championship?
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Because it's not exciting enough! It doesn't have enough action packed into it! People want to see a death race to the finish! Never mind that the guy that's far enough ahead in points to drive around in the tracks actually earned it throughout the season, **** that noise. What, you thought NASCAR had integrity? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
 
Greg said:
Homestead will be a farce, a championship will be decided by a one off event.
There is only one way to make matters any more ridiculous.

If one of the four contenders dominants the race, and then looses it over a GWC to one of the other three, the stupidity will only be compounded.

I sincerely hope it happens. The championship has been turned into a joke, and they might as well do it right. I also hope the scenario gets generated by a BS late caution as well.

Brian France is a damn fool and as difficult as it may be, I hope the fact gets profoundly manifested to the entire world at the biggest moment. He deserves the shame imo, and it needs to cut deep enough to keep his TV fluffing lackies from saving him.

Otherwise, I hope everybody has nice day :).
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I like the way you think, Greg. I'm also hoping for the most controversial sham of a finish we can possibly have at Homestead so we can properly crown our paper champion. Like you said, if we're really gonna do this, let's give it 100% and do it up right!

SpeedPagan said:
Because it's not exciting enough! It doesn't have enough action packed into it! People want to see a death race to the finish! Never mind that the guy that's far enough ahead in points to drive around in the tracks actually earned it throughout the season, **** that noise. What, you thought NASCAR had integrity? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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:XXROFL:
 
SpeedPagan said:
Because it's not exciting enough! It doesn't have enough action packed into it! People want to see a death race to the finish! Never mind that the guy that's far enough ahead in points to drive around in the tracks actually earned it throughout the season, **** that noise. What, you thought NASCAR had integrity? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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Now you know how Kevin Harvick fans felt in 2010.
 
Greg said:
Homestead will be a farce, a championship will be decided by a one off event.
There is only one way to make matters any more ridiculous.

If one of the four contenders dominants the race, and then looses it over a GWC to one of the other three, the stupidity will only be compounded.

I sincerely hope it happens. The championship has been turned into a joke, and they might as well do it right. I also hope the scenario gets generated by a BS late caution as well.

Brian France is a damn fool and as difficult as it may be, I hope the fact gets profoundly manifested to the entire world at the biggest moment. He deserves the shame imo, and it needs to cut deep enough to keep his TV fluffing lackies from saving him.

Otherwise, I hope everybody has nice day :).
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I love the new points system but we all already know there's going to be a green-white-checkered at Homestead.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
I love the new points system but we all already know there's going to be a green-white-checkered at Homestead.
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Of course there's going to be. About five laps to go, there'll be a "debris" on the track that'll "force" NASCAR to throw a caution. That'll bunch up the field again for the first GWC attempt. There's a wreck on the back stretch because once again that's the kind of racing GWC tends to produce, which will set them up for a 2nd attempt GWC. This time they'll either achieve their "photo finish" or go for a third and final one.
 
i don't hate a race ending under caution, it's what this sport has come to, and if a GWC gives a driver a one lap shootout chance at a win when he getting beat lap after lap blows. i do hate when after the white flagged is waved that a wreck midfield stops a race to the checkered flag.
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The Chase, The Elimination Rounds, Green-White-Checkers. Honestly they do nothing for the sport and are only put in place to manufacturer drama. NASCAR is quickly becoming synonymous with WWE if it isn't already. While I can understand that people hate it when races end under cautions, it's just something that they're just going to have to deal with. The GWC shoot-out style doesn't improve the product, the only thing it does is destroy cars, manufacture a dramatic finish and potentially rob the fastest and most consistent guy out of a win.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
I love the new points system but we all already know there's going to be a green-white-checkered at Homestead.
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I don't know that there is going to be a GWC . Did I miss a meeting ? You say that , but they are still rare . IMO
 
I'm just glad that NASCAR didn't pull an invisible debris caution last night out of their asses, stacking the field up for a GWC for an exciting finish.
 
SpeedPagan said:
I'm just glad that NASCAR didn't pull an invisible debris caution last night out of their asses, stacking the field up for a GWC for an exciting finish.
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According to Andy , they are saving the GWC for Homestead . We'll see.
 
VaDirt said:
Once you post your op-ed piece on the internets, it ceases to be one "your lawn." As such, people can take your op-ed piece and rip it to shreds for it's stupidity.
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I don't care how much the racing purists don't like it. This isn't 1985 anymore. The races should end under green flag conditions - JMO.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
I don't care how much the racing purists don't like it. This isn't 1985 anymore. The races should end under green flag conditions - JMO.
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But if they don't, they don't. You're one of those that wants a rule for every single scenario that ever happened, ever MAY happen, or something that may never happen, but no one has thought of it. Sometime, **** happens and the outcome will not be what everyone wants. Does that meanthere has to be some sort of rule covering it? No.
 
VaDirt said:
But if they don't, they don't. You're one of those that wants a rule for every single scenario that ever happened, ever MAY happen, or something that may never happen, but no one has thought of it. Sometime, **** happens and the outcome will not be what everyone wants. Does that meanthere has to be some sort of rule covering it? No.
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I don't want a "rule" for "every single scenario". This is an on principle thing. ARCA has the same rule I want to see - as do many short tracks across the country.
 
SpeedPagan said:
I'm just glad that NASCAR didn't pull an invisible debris caution last night out of their asses, stacking the field up for a GWC for an exciting finish.
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No way they would have done that with Gordon out front. They probably wanted to see Gordon win as bad as anyone else.
 
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