Phantom Debris Cautions

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Now y'all could make the case that the only reason I'm making this thread is that the late race caution at the race on Saturday night cost my favorite driver an easy win. However, I'm more of the mind that a bad call on the last pit stop by Chad and the crappy restart was what cost Johnson that win.

However, that doesn't excuse the phantom debris caution that we saw last night. I have never been a fan of these kind of cautions, because it makes the race look manufactured and artificial. I have read several articles about how NASCAR swears up and down that when they throw a caution, it's for a good reason. However, last Saturday, I have not seen any debris on the track from what I was watching on my TV.

Honestly, I have to wonder if they'd thrown that caution if Earnhardt Jr. was leading the race, or if they would've let it play out and let Earnhardt Jr. get that guaranteed win. NASCAR claims they don't play "favorites" with the driver, but everyone and their grandmother knows that an Earnhardt Jr. win would rake in some mad cash for the organization.

These phantom debris cautions do not solve the problem of a drawn out, single file field. The problem is the car themselves, they're just so aero dependent that once the leader gets out into that clean air, he is gone. I like the Gen6 cars, I think they're an improvement, but it's clear that NASCAR still has a long way to go.

In the meantime, they either need to get rid of the phantom debris caution and let things play out, no matter how boring it may be to the viewers and people at the track or they need to start showing these debris.

I will admit, I am kinda upset that the caution ruined Knaus/Johnson strategy, I thought they beautifully executed the pit stop before the caution and lined themselves up for a sure win. However, this doesn't mean that my points about the caution are not valid, and I have always criticized these phantom debris cautions no matter who it benefited or who it hurt.
 
Kyle18fan said:
Looked to me like a bad restart hurt Johnson more than anything else.
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and I admitted that, but the Phantom Debris Caution is still bull****. Either show the debris or don't throw the caution.
 
Kyle18fan said:
If they have to show the debris they should have to show each and every start and park when they leave the track :D
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heck yeah ..has to be fair...I would rather see the debris and start n parks equal...but the durn TV station keeps cutting away an showing commercials...I just don't get it?
 
Kyle18fan said:
They could hire a "debris boy" to run around holding the phantom debris above his head while waving it wildly for the camera and fans to see.
Pay him by the job ............... 10 bucks per debris caution and free hot dogs for life
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Okay, that made me laugh, but I still say "SHOW ME THE DEBRIS!"
 
StandOnIt said:
heck yeah ..has to be fair...I would rather see the debris and start n parks equal...but the durn TV station keeps cutting away an showing commercials...I just don't get it?
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Now you went and got me started on them commercials :growl:
 
SpeedPagan said:
Okay, that made me laugh, but I still say "SHOW ME THE DEBRIS!"
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Betcha it looked like the one that was stuck on Juniors grille ................. Heck it could have been the same one. We got to see plenty of that one.
 
SpeedPagan said:
and I admitted that, but the Phantom Debris Caution is still bull****. Either show the debris or don't throw the caution.
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The TV audience aren't the ones who decide when a caution is thrown though.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
I hate when the Cup drivers run in the Nationwide Series and phantom debris.
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I hate the chase and how NASCAR made the chase in favor of Jimmie Johnson even though Joey Logano is the greatest driver in the modern era.
SpeedPagan said:
and I admitted that, but the Phantom Debris Caution is still bull****. Either show the debris or don't throw the caution.
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Beating a dead horse here
 
I can't understand why the twitter babies can't get a picture of the start and parks? I thought those things had a camera on them, surely they can tweet and take a pic at the same time
 
Interesting figure I saw today: the longest green flag run to end a Cup race this year is only 53 laps at the Irwin Tools Night Race.
 
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Does anyone feel as though some of those graph bars are giving them "the finger?" LOL Especially Other's 2009
 
Kyle18fan said:
They could hire a "debris boy" to run around holding the phantom debris above his head while waving it wildly for the camera and fans to see.
Pay him by the job ............... 10 bucks per debris caution and free hot dogs for life
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Sounds great! Where do I sign up? :)
 
FenderBumper said:
Nice charts. It sure looks like debris cautions have taken a big jump over the last 7 or 8 years.
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Looks to me like it's risen since the death of Dale Earnhardt. Could it be that there is more of a focus on safety when it comes to debris? There's little doubt that safety became the leading subject at the beginning of that rise in debris cautions.

I'll throw that out there for people now to blame Earnhardt if they wish.

Fans thoughts are set in stone as to what the believe about debris cautions. Some will look at every one of them as being suspect and there can be nothing done to appease them. If television doesn't show it, it doesn't exist. If it is shown it then is debated if the caution should have come out because of where it was located or even if the debris was caution worthy. It's never ending.
 
I find it entirely feasible that nascar watched their biggest star throw an aggressive block at a RP track and hit the wall, losing his life due to defective / improperly mounted seat belts, and decide they need to throw more debris cautions for safety.

nascar brought the debris suspicions upon themselves. It will take a few more years of doing the right thing to gain back some trust. Then again, there are those who insist nascar NEVER used cautions to make the races more exciting.
 
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