Plate racing needs to go!

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Restrictor plate racing makes no sense whatsoever. At this point, it's just a crashfest. Cars go around in circles, but that's not the problem. They go all around the track full throttle just following each other. One lane will always be better than the rest, causing a snoozefest.

I use to like plate racing, It was fun to watch. I just don't think these new cars fit well with restrictor plate racing.

Eliminating Daytona & Talladega is a big deal, & probably won't even be considered.

Restrictor plate "racing" is not racing. It's just a bunch of cars running the same speeds following each other, & it requires no skill, yet they produce massive wrecks.

I'd put the Brickyard 400 as the new Daytona 500, since it's the second most important race of the schedule. At first, it would be kind of akward, but I think having a new season opener would be refreshing & could bring more fans.

Atlanta & Texas are somewhat similar, yet more exciting to watch.

Oh & please remove the Charlotte Roval... what a joke of a concept lmao.

Good replacement tracks that come to mind:
Laguna Seca (my dad lives close to that track)
North Carolina (what was nascar thinking by removing it???)
Eldora (who doesn't like good ole dirt racing?)
 
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I agree with your "replacement tracks" but...

Restrictor plate racing is certainly not a pure form of racing that NASCAR was built upon. However, plate races provide a different form of racing that requires drivers to utilize their mental focus over their physical attributes, which is a nice change of pace from the other 32 races per year. Most of us fans constantly clamor for track diversity and I believe plate racing is a nice break from the normal action even though plate races have generally been sub-par the past decade +.

(Also, no driver goes full throttle for the entirety, or even the majority, of a plate race. There is TONS of throttle control and brake-riding to set themselves up for positioning and runs. The TV camera doesn't show even 1% of what goes on inside each car)

Ideally I would prefer no plates but the realist in me is aware that will never happen due to safety concerns. Accept plate racing for what it is and enjoy the show even if it's a stinker.
 
I watch it regardless however, I don't think the actual race is what sells tickets. people who like RP racing are the same ones who back in the Roman days liked to watch gladiators fight to the death. I think a simple chicane on front and back stretch will solve the problems of the 200 mph crash fest and would allow Nascar to let the cars have some throttle response.
 
Johali said:
I love Dega and Daytona. Oh joy, another one of these threads.
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Yep, here we go again.
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Restrictor plate "racing" is not racing. It's just a bunch of cars running the same speeds following each other, & it requires no skill, :lol2:
 
For the record I love Daytona and Talladega...but I hate the Gladiators. I also think it takes just as much if not more skill to navigate a restrictor plate super speedway then it does a short track. Even though I don't like the big ones I have come to except that the odds are that there will be one at sometime during the race. Sometimes it's because of the restrictor plates and sometimes it's because the driver had brain fade and lost their talent for a moment as we saw this week. I will definitely be watching the Daytona 500 on Sun. Go Bowman.:D
 
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Even I'll agree it takes talent to run a plate race. It's the track configurations that require drivers to develop that talent that I'm opposed to.
 
Are you suggesting they run Indy in February? When temps are below freezing? Regardless of when they would run the Brickyard 400 in your hypothetical scenario, it's been one of the worst races on the schedule for the past decade. Probably not the best idea to highlight that race as the "Super Bowl of stock car racing"......

Daytona and Talladega are two of the most popular tracks on the schedule, and it's uninformed IMO to claim that it takes "no skill" for a plate race.

Texas is "exciting" but the Roval is a joke? :confused:
 
Diversity of tracks is why I watch NASCAR!

Add dirt and a true endurance race — you’ll have the most complete test of drivers in any race series.
 
It's not the plate tracks, it's the aero package. I definitely agree that the plate racing has not been as exciting in the past couple of years as it has been prior to that. Not sure why that is, but I remember cars being able to get a run down the backstretch in order to setup and pass coming out of turn 4. It doesn't seem like they can do that anymore.

Also, get used to saying, "it's not the xxx track, it's the aero package" this year. :sarcasm:
 
LouieLouie said:
It's not the plate tracks, it's the aero package.
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No, it's the plate tracks themselves.

It's not safe for the spectators if a 3400-pound car had a front-stretch accident at 220+. (Heck, recent races have shown it's hardly safe at 195.) Plates are the cheapest, easiest solution to allow today's cars to continue racing on yesterday's tracks. The true solution, assuming NASCAR had an interest in eliminating the plates, is to reconfigure the tracks so unrestricted V-8s can't run around at 220+ all the way around (or completely change engines, but those aren't a problem anywhere else on the the circuit).

Since NASCAR has no interest in eliminating the plates, then nothing will change.
 
In recent years I've come to tolerate Talladega far more than Daytona. The wider track allows for wiggle room in the draft. That produces a little better racing. Daytona being narrower and more of handling track due to the transitions seems to create more crashfest debacles. I went to the Pepsi 400 in 2002 and enjoyed the trip very much. But I have no desire to return to Daytona to watch a modern plate race.

I'm the first to admit that I think modern day plate is garbage. The lack of fear just creates one big wreck after another. The modern drivers will block and force the issue without care. The races almost always ends with at least one G-W-C. It's become the definition of insanity.

I'll watch Daytona because I do appreciate its history and of course its racing! But I could careless who wins at this point. I'm much more excited for Atlanta the following week!
 
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Are you suggesting they run Indy in February? When temps are below freezing? Regardless of when they would run the Brickyard 400 in your hypothetical scenario, it's been one of the worst races on the schedule for the past decade. Probably not the best idea to highlight that race as the "Super Bowl of stock car racing"......

Daytona and Talladega are two of the most popular tracks on the schedule, and it's uninformed IMO to claim that it takes "no skill" for a plate race.

Texas is "exciting" but the Roval is a joke? :confused:
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True. At first, I was thinking they should run Homestead as the season opener. Then I changed my mind, but didn't take into account the weather.

I don't think the track matters, it's the fact that it's the first race of the schedule that makes it so exciting & the reason the Daytona 500 is such a big race & has so much tradition. It would be the same regardless of what track was first in the schedule imo.

This probably only counts if you're a true nascar fan. Texas would be another fantastic option, though the weather could be an issue.

Iowa Speedway seems legit as well.
 
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No, it's the plate tracks themselves.

It's not safe for the spectators if a 3400-pound car had a front-stretch accident at 220+. (Heck, recent races have shown it's hardly safe at 195.) Plates are the cheapest, easiest solution to allow today's cars to continue racing on yesterday's tracks. The true solution, assuming NASCAR had an interest in eliminating the plates, is to reconfigure the tracks so unrestricted V-8s can't run around at 220+ all the way around (or completely change engines, but those aren't a problem anywhere else on the the circuit).

Since NASCAR has no interest in eliminating the plates, then nothing will change.
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It won't take long before one of these cars climbs the fence & gets into the stands. It's just a matter of time.
 
I probably worded it wrong, although to a lesser extent it's true. I can climb one of those cars & go full throttle around that race track in my first attempt. As a matter of fact, I can get into the race & run in the back of the pack all day, avoid the wrecks & probably sneak in late & win the race.

In plate racing, it's the spotters that earn their money.

Cup drivers are too skilled for these types of tracks. However, Daytona seems like too small of a track for the race to be exciting with these new gen cars. Talladega is tolerable, still unwatchable at this point.
 
I've seen plenty of people bash plate racing. I've tried to defend it for several years, but superspeedway racing is never gonna be the same. They ran onto something in the early 2000's that was fun to watch but once the COT came in that was long gone.
 
RacerrecaR said:
I agree with your "replacement tracks" but...

Restrictor plate racing is certainly not a pure form of racing that NASCAR was built upon. However, plate races provide a different form of racing that requires drivers to utilize their mental focus over their physical attributes, which is a nice change of pace from the other 32 races per year. Most of us fans constantly clamor for track diversity and I believe plate racing is a nice break from the normal action even though plate races have generally been sub-par the past decade +.

(Also, no driver goes full throttle for the entirety, or even the majority, of a plate race. There is TONS of throttle control and brake-riding to set themselves up for positioning and runs. The TV camera doesn't show even 1% of what goes on inside each car)

Ideally I would prefer no plates but the realist in me is aware that will never happen due to safety concerns. Accept plate racing for what it is and enjoy the show even if it's a stinker.
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lol. I am 100% aware of this. I watch plenty of nascar, & played some nascar games / sims myself if that counts. This is completely different to other tracks. You have to lift the gas because the car infront of you is losing "momentum". Probably the leader losing speed on purpose so the guy behind doesn't get a run.
 
Hey, at least it's a synonym and your post wasn't just wholesale 86'd by the undercover moderator.

Everyone probably knows my opinion of low HP pack racing. I have never argued it takes no skill. I've said it requires a different set of idiosyncratic abilities that don't have much to do with traditional racecar driving talents. Many actitives require skill to do well. Parallel parking is a skill, but I don't watch parallel parking competitions on Sunday.

I'm somewhat intrigued by how using the tapered spacer with about 100 more HP will affect the Daytona and Talladega races later this season. IMO they are the only tracks that stand to be improved by the 2019 package.
 
or build a new race track in Florida that is configured similar to Atlanta with some fun twists & make it the new Daytona 500. The Florida 500!
 
I'm not a huge fan of restrictor plates now or in the past but I can't imagine NASCAR without Daytona or Talladega. Maybe we need to go a different direction. Build a smaller engine for the plate tracks, they did it when they went from the big blocks to the 358's.
 
gnomesayin said:
Hey, at least it's a synonym and your post wasn't just wholesale 86'd by the undercover moderator.

Everyone probably knows my opinion of low HP pack racing. I have never argued it takes no skill. I've said it requires a different set of idiosyncratic abilities that don't have much to do with traditional racecar driving talents. Many actitives require skill to do well. Parallel parking is a skill, but I don't watch parallel parking competitions on Sunday.

I'm somewhat intrigued by how using the tapered spacer with about 100 more HP will affect the Daytona and Talladega races later this season. IMO they are the only tracks that stand to be improved by the 2019 package.
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ok, parallel parking..no ideas for the All Star race ok?
 
be9ak7ts16 said:
I'm not a huge fan of restrictor plates now or in the past but I can't imagine NASCAR without Daytona or Talladega. Maybe we need to go a different direction. Build a smaller engine for the plate tracks, they did it when they went from the big blocks to the 358's.
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That I could go for as long as they leave the tracks alone.
 
Posting this so that the people who believe spacers are radically different than plates can rip on Kyle Busch rather than other posters.



My position is that the spacers are a refinement and incremental improvement on plates.
 
gnomesayin said:
Parallel parking is a skill, but I don't watch parallel parking competitions on Sunday.
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Exactamundo.
gnomesayin said:
I'm somewhat intrigued by how using the tapered spacer with about 100 more HP will affect the Daytona and Talladega races later this season.
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The tapered spacer at the plate tracks is like Obi Wan Kenobi - it's my only hope.
 
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