Random NASCAR Stuff to talk about.....

ted@economy said:
Am I missing something? Why would a new team coming into the sport want to start and park. I can see existing teams trying to stay in business , but a new team is presumably there to try racing.
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"Kerr said the team will likely start and park in each of the next two weeks, focusing instead on gathering data for next season."

It sure is strange so show up to "gather data" and then park it. Perhaps they need to figure out parallel parking, which can be rather tough in those cars.
 
ted@economy said:
Am I missing something? Why would a new team coming into the sport want to start and park. I can see existing teams trying to stay in business , but a new team is presumably there to try racing.
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Presumably yes, but there is money to be made. Maybe it's an investment? I guess we'll find out soon enough.
 
FenderBumper said:
"Kerr said the team will likely start and park in each of the next two weeks, focusing instead on gathering data for next season."

It sure is strange so show up to "gather data" and then park it. Perhaps they need to figure out parallel parking, which can be rather tough in those cars.
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They gotta figure out how fast they can get to the garage after the green flag waves. They could just ask Nemechek he's a pro at that.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Presumably yes, but there is money to be made. Maybe it's an investment? I guess we'll find out soon enough.
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Not sure that there is that much money to be made . Rusty Wallace and a dozen other owners have found it cheaper to close up shop.
 
ted@economy said:
Not sure that there is that much money to be made . Rusty Wallace and a dozen other owners have found it cheaper to close up shop.
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RWR never was a S&P. Racing is expensive, but S&P isn't racing. I'm sure some S&P's use the same car and engine the entire season, and never show up with a crew.
 
FenderBumper said:
RWR never was a S&P. Racing is expensive, but S&P isn't racing. I'm sure some S&P's use the same car and engine the entire season, and never show up with a crew.
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Realize all that , I'm just wondering why an owner would close his doors and sell off his assets at 10 cents on the dollar. Instead ,he could start and park for as long as it takes to find a buyer or a sponsor.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
I may have missed this posted here but.

David Reutimann will attempt to qualify for this weekend's NASCAR Sprint Cup Series Advocare 500 at Phoenix International Raceway for a new, start-up race team. Xxxtreme Motorsport is owned by businessman John Cohen, a New York nightclub entrepreneur who owns M2 Ultra Lounge on West 28th St. in New York City.

What do you think the over/under is on laps run?

More on this here.
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Let's see, 1 set of tires on a 1-mile track, ... call it 55 laps.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Is that something that you're trying to make up? Can't say that I heard that one before. Anyhow, that's not my list. It's just something that I found. I was just trying to help Fender out so that he knew which nicknames were taken. He may not have been around during the Ice Man era IDK. I think 'Ice Ice Baby' is available though if he's stuck on the really cold water thingy. I'm not sure that Vanilla Ice transcends to the NASCAR world.
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No I'm pretty sure I heard it somewhere, its better then the ones Wikipedia gives him, because in no way is KKK a good nickname.
 
ted@economy said:
Not sure that there is that much money to be made . Rusty Wallace and a dozen other owners have found it cheaper to close up shop.
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Well Rusty also had to fix 2 wrecked cars every week
 
ted@economy said:
Not sure that there is that much money to be made . Rusty Wallace and a dozen other owners have found it cheaper to close up shop.
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Did Rusty ever try CUP Ownership?

Reed Sorenson completed SIX laps in his Humphrey Smith Racing Toyota at TMS (CUP),
finished 43rd and earned $89,561.

Multiply $90K by 36 and you have $3,240,000 in gross earnings over the course of a CUP Season.

Joe uses his S&P CUP earnings to partly finance his Nationwide Team.
 
Stewart Fan said:
That's crazy. Far too much money being paid out for last place.
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That figure isn't the norm. Texas has the third and fourth highest payouts of the year. Even so, the lowest payout race, Watkins Glen, still paid out $61,930 for last place. A nice chunk of change.

Just curious though.....

What is there to gain by not paying or reducing greatly the pay for last place? Is it to make these guys race? Personally I think all it will do is eliminate teams by not being able to make payroll and slowly weed those teams out of the sport. Yeah, I'm one of those fans that cares little about the S&P's being in the race. Their simply making a living and IMO taking nothing away from the event. I don't even notice that they're there unless someone points it out. They do their deal, make their money and hopefully get a chance to get a run in here or there or maybe use it to finance a car/truck in another NASCAR series.

Is the thought that if those lower payout are eliminated that the money can then go to teams that are there to race? What kind of difference will that make? I'm guessing that those lower payouts would simply be distributed throughout the field giving the remaining lower tier teams as well as the top tier teams even more money to play with, basically not making a difference in the on track product.

Personally I think it's a solution that really isn't all that much of a problem.
 
Right on DP . And if it is that much of a gold mine , why isn't everyone doing it ?
 
I think a S&P should be required to run at least 25% of the race so when the rest have early problems they get only the points they deserve.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Just curious though.....

What is there to gain by not paying or reducing greatly the pay for last place?
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It would mean more money for the teams that actually race. I'm all for starting a race with just 35, or even 30, and letting just them share the purse money. If nascar set a rolling percentage of laps completed mark for teams to collect a purse share, and mandated full pit crews for qualifying, the bottom tier teams that race each week and pay their employees would be in better financial shape.
 
FenderBumper said:
It would mean more money for the teams that actually race. I'm all for starting a race with just 35, or even 30, and letting just them share the purse money. If nascar set a rolling percentage of laps completed mark for teams to collect a purse share, and mandated full pit crews for qualifying, the bottom tier teams that race each week and pay their employees would be in better financial shape.
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OK, so I used you top 35 thing and the overinflated payout that is known as Texas. If you drop the 36th through 43rd positions that gives you an extra $735,254 to pay out to the top 35 teams. I don't know what your rolling percentage of laps scale is but you can bet that the line share of that excess money will still go to the top teams I'm guessing. There will always be the have and have nots.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
OK, so I used you top 35 thing and the overinflated payout that is known as Texas. If you drop the 36th through 43rd positions that gives you an extra $735,254 to pay out to the top 35 teams. I don't know what your rolling percentage of laps scale is but you can bet that the line share of that excess money will still go to the top teams I'm guessing. There will always be the have and have nots.
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Perhaps a seperate short field pool where the dropout money is shared equally for the teams that race. If you start each year clean and maintain an 80% laps completed and show up with a race crew, you can race and get purse money even if you crash early. If you drop below the 80% LC mark, you'll race for just a share of dropout money until you get back to 80%.
 
FenderBumper said:
Perhaps a seperate short field pool where the dropout money is shared equally for the teams that race. If you start each year clean and maintain an 80% laps completed and show up with a race crew, you can race and get purse money even if you crash early. If you drop below the 80% LC mark, you'll race for just a share of dropout money until you get back to 80%.
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I thought that there is already a rule in place that they have to have a crew? Can you find anything at all from this year that shows otherwise? I think that this assumption that these guys are showing up without crews is kinda like the television contract statement that they have to run a 43 car field. I've heard this crew conversation disputed several times on the NASCAR channel this season. I am under the impression that this was something that was happening a while back but that this no longer occurs. :confused:
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
I thought that there is already a rule in place that they have to have a crew? Can you find anything at all from this year that shows otherwise? I think that this assumption that these guys are showing up without crews is kinda like the television contract statement that they have to run a 43 car field. I've heard this crew conversation disputed several times on the NASCAR channel this season. I am under the impression that this was something that was happening a while back but that this no longer occurs. :confused:
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I'm not saying this is proof but according to this article only a pit box is required on pit road.

http://dalyplanet.blogspot.com/2012/08/nascars-start-and-park-weekend.html
 
Stewart Fan said:
I'm not saying this is proof but according to this article only a pit box is required on pit road.

http://dalyplanet.blogspot.com/2012/08/nascars-start-and-park-weekend.html
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That's correct. I've posted many links on Start n Parks in the past, many of them in the link you posted. When James Finch a owner who has been around over 25 years and who's never start n parked folds up cause he wants to race, I guess nobody will have a problem with that. Meanwhile people like Phil Parsons, Ron Humphries, Joe Nemechek, Curtis Key, Rick Ware and others have made millions of dollars and haven't gone to the race track one time with the intention to race.
 
I ended up asking about five different individuals associated in one way or another with NASCAR about the S&P pit crew rules. So far I've only received a response from Pete Pistone that read..... Yes they must start the race with a pit crew, that was changed in recent years. Yeah, I know, that's nothing definitive but it has me fuming once again that we don't have access to the rules & regulations for NASCAR. It is complete BS that we don't. This is a question that could be easily answered by simply clicking on the .pdf link to the rules somewhere on the internet. :mad:
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
I ended up asking about five different individuals associated in one way or another with NASCAR about the S&P pit crew rules. So far I've only received a response from Pete Pistone that read..... Yes they must start the race with a pit crew, that was changed in recent years. Yeah, I know, that's nothing definitive but it has me fuming once again that we don't have access to the rules & regulations for NASCAR. It is complete BS that we don't. This is a question that could be easily answered by simply clicking on the .pdf link to the rules somewhere on the internet. :mad:
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If by crew he means CC & spotter then yes. They do not have over the wall guys, which makes sense because they don't make pit stops.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
I may have missed this posted here but.

David Reutimann will attempt to qualify for this weekend's NASCAR Sprint Cup Series Advocare 500 at Phoenix International Raceway for a new, start-up race team. Xxxtreme Motorsport is owned by businessman John Cohen, a New York nightclub entrepreneur who owns M2 Ultra Lounge on West 28th St. in New York City.

What do you think the over/under is on laps run?

More on this here.
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That's a nice looking racecar for a team decididng to S&P.

dpkimmel2001 said:
That figure isn't the norm. Texas has the third and fourth highest payouts of the year. Even so, the lowest payout race, Watkins Glen, still paid out $61,930 for last place. A nice chunk of change.

Personally I think it's a solution that really isn't all that much of a problem.[/quote]
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I tend to agree. The S&P cars have little impact on the outcome of a race.
 
Flashback 1981.....

On Nov. 8, 1981, ESPN televised its first live NASCAR race. Commentators Bob Jenkins and Larry Nuber, (pictured) were joined by Mike Joy to call the action for the Atlanta Journal 500 from the Atlanta International Raceway.

Among those competing for the $239,910 purse were Darrell Waltrip and Bobby Allison, who were engaged in a close battle for the NASCAR Winston Cup title in the penultimate race of the season. Neil Bonnett won the memorable race and Waltrip went on to win his first NASCAR Winston Cup championship.

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From here.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
OK, so I used you top 35 thing and the overinflated payout that is known as Texas. If you drop the 36th through 43rd positions that gives you an extra $735,254 to pay out to the top 35 teams. I don't know what your rolling percentage of laps scale is but you can bet that the line share of that excess money will still go to the top teams I'm guessing. There will always be the have and have nots.
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That's all gettin mighty complicated . Can't we just shoot them ? It would teach them a lesson.;)
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
I think that this assumption that these guys are showing up without crews is kinda like the television contract statement that they have to run a 43 car field.
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There it is again. Does anyone have documented evidence of this mythical '43 cars per TV contract' clause?
 
Richard Childress Racing has partnered with General Mills for NASCAR Nationwide Series driver Austin Dillon to make his Daytona 500 debut driving the #33 Honey Nut Cheerios Chevy on February 24, 2013, at Daytona International Speedway. The paint scheme for the 55th running of the Great American Race will also mark the NASCAR debut of Buzz, the official SpokesBee of Honey Nut Cheerios. "My family has so many memories of racing in the Daytona 500 so it is really special to me to be able to make my first Daytona 500 start," said Dillon. "With the support of General Mills and America's Favorite Cereal, Honey Nut Cheerios, I hope to continue RCR's winning tradition on restrictor plate tracks with my pal Buzz on the hood of the #33 Honey Nut Cheerios Chevrolet."
"General Mills is thrilled to be partnering with RCR and Austin Dillon for his Daytona 500 debut," said Gregg Dorazio, Manager of Shopper Marketing and Motorsports at General Mills. "Race fans will certainly be buzzing about Austin's appearance in The Great American Race. Austin adds even more excitement and opportunity to our 2013 Cheerios® Racing team and marketing plans."
The 2013 season will mark the fifth year of partnership between the Welcome, N.C.-based racing organization and General Mills, which is a major associate sponsor throughout the year in the NASCAR Sprint Cup Series on the #31 Cheerios Chevrolet and driver Jeff Burton.
"Competing in the Daytona 500 is a major step in Austin's career and we couldn't be more proud than to have General Mills expand its program with RCR for a second year on the #33 Chevrolet SS," said Richard Childress, president and CEO of Richard Childress Racing. "Austin has made a number of Sprint Cup Series starts so he understands the pressures at NASCAR's highest level but his first start in The Great American Race will be a special one."(RCR)(11-9-2012)
 
Stewart Fan said:
Richard Childress Racing has partnered with General Mills for NASCAR Nationwide Series driver Austin Dillon to make his Daytona 500 debut driving the #33 Honey Nut Cheerios Chevy on February 24, 2013, at Daytona International Speedway. The paint scheme for the 55th running of the Great American Race will also mark the NASCAR debut of Buzz, the official SpokesBee of Honey Nut Cheerios. "My family has so many memories of racing in the Daytona 500 so it is really special to me to be able to make my first Daytona 500 start," said Dillon. "With the support of General Mills and America's Favorite Cereal, Honey Nut Cheerios, I hope to continue RCR's winning tradition on restrictor plate tracks with my pal Buzz on the hood of the #33 Honey Nut Cheerios Chevrolet."
"General Mills is thrilled to be partnering with RCR and Austin Dillon for his Daytona 500 debut," said Gregg Dorazio, Manager of Shopper Marketing and Motorsports at General Mills. "Race fans will certainly be buzzing about Austin's appearance in The Great American Race. Austin adds even more excitement and opportunity to our 2013 Cheerios® Racing team and marketing plans."
The 2013 season will mark the fifth year of partnership between the Welcome, N.C.-based racing organization and General Mills, which is a major associate sponsor throughout the year in the NASCAR Sprint Cup Series on the #31 Cheerios Chevrolet and driver Jeff Burton.
"Competing in the Daytona 500 is a major step in Austin's career and we couldn't be more proud than to have General Mills expand its program with RCR for a second year on the #33 Chevrolet SS," said Richard Childress, president and CEO of Richard Childress Racing. "Austin has made a number of Sprint Cup Series starts so he understands the pressures at NASCAR's highest level but his first start in The Great American Race will be a special one."(RCR)(11-9-2012)
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I'm relieved it's two three's and not one:cool:
 
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