Rate the Race: All Star - Texas

ChexOrWrex said:
Jimmie Johnson has talked about when off throttle time is so limited and lap times when are nearly identical that it makes racing that much more difficult. Kyle Busch has talked about his disappointments with the next gen car taking more out of the driver’s hands. Brad Keselowski has talked about these racing packages being easier to drive and has the potential to turn talent away from NASCAR because drivers want to drive.

HMS representatives talked about finding more horsepower with the RCR alliance. Look who is at the top of the board each week. It’s not all car, but it’s damn close.

Again, different strokes.
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Cars are going to run identical times when they all have splitters. You really have no choice except at a handful of tracks that are truly multiple lines
 
I felt this Tweet fit many of the conversations we have been having over the last 48 hours. Change NASCAR Twitter to RacingForums.com.
 
Snappy D said:
I felt this Tweet fit many of the conversations we have been having over the last 48 hours. Change NASCAR Twitter to RacingForums.com.
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Fans for the last 7 years: bring back the 2014 season racing package.

NASCAR: We really can’t see a consensus on what fans desire.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
Are you gonna add to any racing discussion or continue to take personal shots at literally every member here?
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I guess I could have wrote a book, but the new car next year is even closer to being similar than this years car. You should have plenty to be "concerned" about.
 
Snappy D said:
I felt this Tweet fit many of the conversations we have been having over the last 48 hours. Change NASCAR Twitter to RacingForums.com.
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This is just me, people are free to disagree with me or not.

1) Stop tinkering with it all the damn time. The constant changing of the rules, packages, adding in stages, etc. It's annoying and it's aggravating. Just, let things simmer for a couple of season or five.

2) Bring back straight up racing. This means getting rid of the stage racing, it adds nothing to the series and it's obviously there to make the TV companies happy. TV companies now have side-by-side, so the point of stages is diminished.

3) Put more into the driver's hand. This means less downforce, more horsepower and no traction compound. Give the drivers more tools to work with instead of taking away tools to the point where it's basically follow the leader for 500 miles because they can't pass one another.

4) Simplify the points format. Now there was a time when NASCAR had a simple points format, I think it was like 50 or 40 for the winner and then 39 for 2nd place, 38 for 3rd, etc. That's simple, that's easy to follow, you don't need a math degree from Harvard to figure it out.

5) More short tracks and more road courses. The problem isn't the car, this car actually puts on a good show when it's on the right track. The problem is that 1.5 tri-ovals are not the right track. These were built at the NASCAR boom and they were trying to build a facility for both NASCAR and IndyCar. However, the tracks really only work for IndyCar in terms of racing product. Stock cars are too bulky and brick-like to ever put on a good show at an aero dependent track. Everything we've seen. The stage racing, the traction compound, Championship format. It's all been a band-aid to hide the fact that NASCAR on 1.5 tri-ovals are just...boring.

6) Honestly, get rid of The Chase format for the last 10 races. Bring it back to letting them battle it out for an entire season from Daytona to Phoenix. I know, sometimes a championship battle is wrapped up before they even get to the season finale. That's going to happen, and that's okay. Like my dad said, it is what it is. Not every season is going to have a points battle that isn't decided til after the season finale at Phoenix. Just like not every race is going to end in side by side action for the win, and that's okay. Sometimes a team will really hit on something and run away with the race. All the other teams can do is work harder for next week race and see if they hit on something.
 
no matter what NASCAR , MLB . NHL , NFL , ect. do to keep or increase their fan base , they fight a losing battle.....newer generations have too many more gimmicks to entertain themselves...watching cars go around for hours does not satisfy most folks in this modern world....
 
SpeedPagan said:
This is just me, people are free to disagree with me or not.

1) Stop tinkering with it all the damn time. The constant changing of the rules, packages, adding in stages, etc. It's annoying and it's aggravating. Just, let things simmer for a couple of season or five.

2) Bring back straight up racing. This means getting rid of the stage racing, it adds nothing to the series and it's obviously there to make the TV companies happy. TV companies now have side-by-side, so the point of stages is diminished.

3) Put more into the driver's hand. This means less downforce, more horsepower and no traction compound. Give the drivers more tools to work with instead of taking away tools to the point where it's basically follow the leader for 500 miles because they can't pass one another.

4) Simplify the points format. Now there was a time when NASCAR had a simple points format, I think it was like 50 or 40 for the winner and then 39 for 2nd place, 38 for 3rd, etc. That's simple, that's easy to follow, you don't need a math degree from Harvard to figure it out.

5) More short tracks and more road courses. The problem isn't the car, this car actually puts on a good show when it's on the right track. The problem is that 1.5 tri-ovals are not the right track. These were built at the NASCAR boom and they were trying to build a facility for both NASCAR and IndyCar. However, the tracks really only work for IndyCar in terms of racing product. Stock cars are too bulky and brick-like to ever put on a good show at an aero dependent track. Everything we've seen. The stage racing, the traction compound, Championship format. It's all been a band-aid to hide the fact that NASCAR on 1.5 tri-ovals are just...boring.

6) Honestly, get rid of The Chase format for the last 10 races. Bring it back to letting them battle it out for an entire season from Daytona to Phoenix. I know, sometimes a championship battle is wrapped up before they even get to the season finale. That's going to happen, and that's okay. Like my dad said, it is what it is. Not every season is going to have a points battle that isn't decided til after the season finale at Phoenix. Just like not every race is going to end in side by side action for the win, and that's okay. Sometimes a team will really hit on something and run away with the race. All the other teams can do is work harder for next week race and see if they hit on something.
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Oh but what about all those “quality green flag passes…?” 🥴
 
saltysenior said:
no matter what NASCAR , MLB . NHL , NFL , ect. do to keep or increase their fan base , they fight a losing battle.....newer generations have too many more gimmicks to entertain themselves...watching cars go around for hours does not satisfy most folks in this modern world....
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Okay, but most Motorsports have an identity that they're okay with. Formula 1 is the premier racing league in the FIA system. They're also the most expensive league to run in and you can't buy your way in. You have to climb FIA's formula's ladder system and meet the requirement to graduate to Formula 1. They're also a league where car innovations come into play and a team that can figure out a better way to build a car comes out on top. Although FIA has kind of put a cap on that to keep cost reasonable. Well, reasonable for Formula 1, which again, is the most expensive motorsport league in the world.

NASCAR I feel like has kind of lost it's identity. I mean it started out as the premier league for stock car racing, where the best of the best of stock car drivers go to race. However, over the last couple of decades it's changed so much that I don't know if that holds true anymore and I don't think NASCAR executives know either. NASCAR needs a core identity that it sticks to, an identity that says "This is what we're about, this is what our product is."

BobbyFord said:
Oh but what about all those “quality green flag passes…?” 🥴
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You mean most of the passes that only happen in the first five laps of a start or restart?
 
NASCAR could make me happy as a fan by promoting with more hawt wimmins and trophy queens.

Bring in some exhibitionistic wimmins that can strut around and perform all kind yoga wonderments. With the kind of moments that runs a man crazy and occupies his mind into forgetting the imperfections of the race.

I remember when I was in the 9th grade in 1977 band practicing on a hot humid August day and I didn't want to be there. But there was a senior Hawtie on the flag team. Nobody ever did a pair terry cloth shorts like that girl, I still bless the day she turned around and just smiled to me for a moment.

It ain't complicated and it's what the people need. Such moments make life worth the living and even drives one to create life.

Racing in like manner is a passionate sport and once we become to stale to recognize the simplist things it's time to die.
 
Greg said:
NASCAR could make me happy as a fan by promoting with more hawt wimmins and trophy queens.

Bring in some exhibitionistic wimmins that can strut around and perform all kind yoga wonderments. With the kind of moments that runs a man crazy and occupies his mind into forgetting the imperfections of the race.

I remember when I was in the 9th grade in 1977 band practicing on a hot humid August day and I didn't want to be there. But there was a senior Hawtie on the flag team. Nobody ever did a pair terry cloth shorts like that girl, I still bless the day she turned around and just smiled to me for a moment.

It ain't complicated and it's what the people need. Such moments make life worth the living and even drives one to create life.

Racing in like manner is a passionate sport and once we become to stale to recognize the simplist things it's time to die.
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Buuuuut a very high amount of women who don't know a damn thing about the sport will get offended and then NASCAR will overreact accordingly,just like they did with the Monster girls.
 
Greg said:
NASCAR could make me happy as a fan by promoting with more hawt wimmins and trophy queens.

Bring in some exhibitionistic wimmins that can strut around and perform all kind yoga wonderments. With the kind of moments that runs a man crazy and occupies his mind into forgetting the imperfections of the race.

I remember when I was in the 9th grade in 1977 band practicing on a hot humid August day and I didn't want to be there. But there was a senior Hawtie on the flag team. Nobody ever did a pair terry cloth shorts like that girl, I still bless the day she turned around and just smiled to me for a moment.

It ain't complicated and it's what the people need. Such moments make life worth the living and even drives one to create life.

Racing in like manner is a passionate sport and once we become to stale to recognize the simplist things it's time to die.
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That’s probably not gonna happen in the cancel culture, #MeToo movements of today’s culture. I hate to say but trophy girls are a thing of the past. I hope you get used to looking at hot trophy mascots of each track, think like a Digger from Fox.
 
Greg said:
NASCAR could make me happy as a fan by promoting with more hawt wimmins and trophy queens.

Bring in some exhibitionistic wimmins that can strut around and perform all kind yoga wonderments. With the kind of moments that runs a man crazy and occupies his mind into forgetting the imperfections of the race.

I remember when I was in the 9th grade in 1977 band practicing on a hot humid August day and I didn't want to be there. But there was a senior Hawtie on the flag team. Nobody ever did a pair terry cloth shorts like that girl, I still bless the day she turned around and just smiled to me for a moment.

It ain't complicated and it's what the people need. Such moments make life worth the living and even drives one to create life.

Racing in like manner is a passionate sport and once we become to stale to recognize the simplist things it's time to die.
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You know about strip clubs, right? For a couple of bucks, they'll probably put the race on one of the TVs for you.
 
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