Rate The Race: Homestead Championship Race

10. Just an awesome race throughout, reminded me so much of a dirt late mod 100 lapper
 
Entertainment 10
Racing 3,due to Nascar manipulation.I was watching at a sports bar and people started laughing at the caution.They were a couple guys betting on when the caution would come out,the drivers and fans deserve better.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
7.5


For the benefit of those of us who missed it, would someone care to detail how the race was manipulated? Thanks in advance!
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Edwards was on his way to winning the title, then Dylan Lupton blew a tire bringing out a caution, which set up the restart with the wreck. The call for the caution was borderline but I would've understood either way they went.
 
It was a great race. Most of the contenders were up front all day. Edwards and Lagano did what they had to do, it was a racing incident. And Johnson pulled off a win. I felt bad for Larson who lead so much with one of his best runs of the season.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
For the benefit of those of us who missed it, would someone care to detail how the race was manipulated? Thanks in advance!
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NasNYG567 said:
Edwards was on his way to winning the title, then Dylan Lupton blew a tire bringing out a caution, which set up the restart with the wreck. The call for the caution was borderline but I would've understood either way they went.
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I wonder if the people complaining about that Dylan Lupton caution on lap 253 saw the Xfinity race one day prior, when the 16 half-spun and the caution was about one second slower? The 46 and 51 didn't check up quick enough, got caught up in the incident, and both cars were destroyed in hard hits.

People who think it's wrong to throw a yellow when a car spins or smacks the wall hard are watching the wrong sport. I am baffled by people claiming that is "Nascar manipulation." WTF do they expect? Do they hope to see Lupton get T-boned by a car at full speed?

 
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Love Homestead, any race there is great to watch.
 
8 if I ignore the Chase stuff

1 if I take it into account.

So...8 for the race itself.
 
LewTheShoe said:
People who think it's wrong to throw a yellow when a car spins or smacks the wall hard are watching the wrong sport. I am baffled by people claiming that is "Nascar manipulation." WTF do they expect? Do they hope to see Lupton get T-boned by a car at full speed?
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Come on, you're obviously a very smart guy. I don't have a recording of the race to refer to, but this what I saw and what I remember happening. If I am wrong, please feel free to correct me. Lupton did not spin or smack the wall hard, or even close. He had a flat tire, got a little loose in the corner, and was well under control out of the racing groove driving toward the pits on the back stretch. If this is the standard, why didn't Kyle Busch's apparent (whether it turned out to be real or not) flat tire issue bring out the yellow? How many flat tires with no spin and no debris bring out the yellow? Do you truly believe it isn't selective, and that NASCAR isn't looking for a caution sometimes and determined not to have one others? They clearly didn't want the final caution for Stenhouse (who spun and smacked the wall) and delayed as long as they reasonably could before issuing it. This is what people are tired of, the obvious subjectivity. They aren't officiating races, they are directing them like it's a story.
 
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Come on, you're obviously a very smart guy. I don't have a recording of the race to refer to, but this what I saw and what I remember happening. If I am wrong, please feel free to correct me. Lupton did not spin or smack the wall hard, or even close. He had a flat tire, got a little loose in the corner, and was well under control out of the racing groove driving toward the pits on the back stretch. If this is the standard, why didn't Kyle Busch's apparent (whether it turned out to be real or not) flat tire issue bring out the yellow? How many flat tires with no spin and no debris bring out the yellow? Do you truly believe it isn't selective, and that NASCAR isn't looking for a caution sometimes and determined not to have one others? They clearly didn't want the final caution for Stenhouse and delayed as long as they reasonably could before issuing it. This is what people are tired of, the obvious subjectivity. They aren't officiating races, they are directing them like it's a story.
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In a way, but it's not as diliberate as it appears

Brian France was born into money. He lacks eductation (he's an idiot). But the US is so commercialized. Television, from shows, to ALL sports can't be any more blatantly a product than ever before. You have all these rich ignorant folks running these things, and it's about selling personal expectations with the intent of making money.

I always repetitively discuss this, I know. This is a bigger root issue than NASCAR. It's not inherently their fault. I admit I'm being subjective but it honestly distresses me as a long timefan, to see so many people so fustrated without seeing the bigger picture and the root cause of this.

As long marketability in general is as influencial as it in the dictation of a sporting event, NASCAR will not get better in our eyes. I truly believe they are worth cutting some slack.

For those fustrated, I am sorry and I do feel for you.
 
^ You make an interesting argument. I know what you mean in the broad sense, but get a little lost on how it should apply to something as basic and specific as what necessitates a caution. Other racing series take this stuff more seriously and attempt to be accountable. Other major sports do too, and they will correct their own officials and admit fault. NASCAR says look the other way, we do what we want in each circumstance, enjoy the show. I know what you're saying, and I both call them like I see them on principle, and shrug my shoulders and know I'm just watching a show at this point.
 
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jaqua19 said:
In a way, but it's not as diliberate as it appears

Brian France was born into money. He lacks eductation (he's an idiot). But the US is so commercialized. Television, from shows, to ALL sports can't be any more blatantly a product than ever before. You have all these rich ignorant folks running these things, and it's about selling personal expectations with the intent of making money.

I always repetitively discuss this, I know. This is a bigger root issue than NASCAR. It's not inherently their fault. I admit I'm being subjective but it honestly distresses me as a long timefan, to see so many people so fustrated without seeing the bigger picture and the root cause of this.

As long marketability in general is as influencial as it in the dictation of a sporting event, NASCAR will not get better in our eyes. I truly believe they are worth cutting some slack.

For those fustrated, I am sorry and I do feel for you.
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My issue is this: Motorsports in general is on the decline. The suits in NASCAR continue to chop and cut and refab the sport to try and grow a naturally shrinking fan base. They take that one step further with questionable in-race officiating. For damn-near 15 years the current regime has alienated fans for no damn reason.
 
LewTheShoe said:
I wonder if the people complaining about that Dylan Lupton caution on lap 253 saw the Xfinity race one day prior, when the 16 half-spun and the caution was about one second slower? The 46 and 51 didn't check up quick enough, got caught up in the incident, and both cars were destroyed in hard hits.

People who think it's wrong to throw a yellow when a car spins or smacks the wall hard are watching the wrong sport. I am baffled by people claiming that is "Nascar manipulation." WTF do they expect? Do they hope to see Lupton get T-boned by a car at full speed?

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Good point
 
LewTheShoe said:
I wonder if the people complaining about that Dylan Lupton caution on lap 253 saw the Xfinity race one day prior, when the 16 half-spun and the caution was about one second slower? The 46 and 51 didn't check up quick enough, got caught up in the incident, and both cars were destroyed in hard hits.

People who think it's wrong to throw a yellow when a car spins or smacks the wall hard are watching the wrong sport. I am baffled by people claiming that is "Nascar manipulation." WTF do they expect? Do they hope to see Lupton get T-boned by a car at full speed?

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And to counter that, NASCAR took their sweet time throwing the yellow when Ricky was hitting the inside wall, if I recall, he had already hit the inside wall and then the caution came out, but they were to quick to call a yellow when a car had a tire going down and was off the racing surface ( access road) heading back to pit road. I mean, Ricky spun coming out of turn 2, the caution didnt come out till leader was already on the front stretch within a very short distance of the S/F line. .

So the point people are trying to make I think is once again NASCAR is not 100% consistent when throwing the caution flag.
 
Guys relax the caution came out on a long green flag run. If it wasn't that incident, one would have followed soon after as everyone's tires were about done
 
10. Jimmie Johnson is a ****** winner. He gets **** done. Respect.
 
I give it an 8

Forty hotrods showed up and raced hard in the final race of the season. Kyle Larson was in a different zip code most of the race, boy knows how to ride the wall and get the momentum.
Cousin Carl blew it on his last restart causing a large number of cars to end the day, Nascar ran the laps down after the last caution, JJ was in the right place at the right time on a GWC for the finish, I rate his win up there with a rain out win, right place at the right time, nothing more.

I do not like the chase format for crowning a champion, but, I do like to watch them race and see all the strategies play out between the teams.
I can not do anything personally about the chase, but, I can still enjoy my favorite all American sport. As long as they keep showing up I will keep watching, if it is still entertaining and so far it is.
 
The Chase made this race entertaining. No doubt about that. It's amazing that the final four ran so close for most of the day. While I'm not a fan of the format in the slightest, it was a memorable event for years to come.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
The Chase made this race entertaining. No doubt about that. It's amazing that the final four ran so close for most of the day. While I'm not a fan of the format in the slightest, it was a memorable event for years to come.
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Well said.
 
Cant rate it, changed the channel when kyle boooosh went a lap down and the fictitious caution came out for "debris' in turn 1 but they never showed it and he got his lap back and was running 2nd after the "green flag back in the air". Hours after the race I learned that JJ won and I'm happy about that. My NFL team won as well. Good day. I hate the chase, NBC, waltrip, nascar's fake cautions, and liver. yuck. next year the stands will be even emptier.
 
10...
We worked on replacing a dormer all day, then came in for the last 50 laps of the race. We quickly threw down a few brews on empty stomachs and had a nice little buzz going. Probably the most I have enjoyed a NASCAR race in the past few years.

Even though I am not a big JJ fan, I was pulling for him to get the championship. In my mind, there is no doubt he is one of the best NASCAR drivers ever.
 
LewTheShoe said:
I wonder if the people complaining about that Dylan Lupton caution on lap 253 saw the Xfinity race one day prior, when the 16 half-spun and the caution was about one second slower? The 46 and 51 didn't check up quick enough, got caught up in the incident, and both cars were destroyed in hard hits.

People who think it's wrong to throw a yellow when a car spins or smacks the wall hard are watching the wrong sport. I am baffled by people claiming that is "Nascar manipulation." WTF do they expect? Do they hope to see Lupton get T-boned by a car at full speed?

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If I have any complaint about the yellow policies, it's their inconsistency. I think Lupton's flat was treated the same way other tire issues were handled yesterday. What I didn't like was the slow trigger on Stenhouse's serving of all the wall he could eat.

No, I don't think Lupton's tire merited a caution, but I do think it was treated the same way as other similar incidents. None of Blaney's wall-brushes were worth a yellow (in my opinion), but nobody's complaining about those. I guess it only counts as 'manipulation' if it happens late in the race?
 
jaqua19 said:
In a way, but it's not as diliberate as it appears

Brian France was born into money. He lacks eductation (he's an idiot). But the US is so commercialized. Television, from shows, to ALL sports can't be any more blatantly a product than ever before. You have all these rich ignorant folks running these things, and it's about selling personal expectations with the intent of making money.

I always repetitively discuss this, I know. This is a bigger root issue than NASCAR. It's not inherently their fault. I admit I'm being subjective but it honestly distresses me as a long timefan, to see so many people so fustrated without seeing the bigger picture and the root cause of this.

As long marketability in general is as influencial as it in the dictation of a sporting event, NASCAR will not get better in our eyes. I truly believe they are worth cutting some slack.

For those fustrated, I am sorry and I do feel for you.
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It sounds like you're saying BZF himself determines what incidents rate a caution. Is that correct?
 
jws926 said:
And to counter that, NASCAR took their sweet time throwing the yellow when Ricky was hitting the inside wall, if I recall, he had already hit the inside wall and then the caution came out, but they were to quick to call a yellow when a car had a tire going down and was off the racing surface ( access road) heading back to pit road. I mean, Ricky spun coming out of turn 2, the caution didnt come out till leader was already on the front stretch within a very short distance of the S/F line. .

So the point people are trying to make I think is once again NASCAR is not 100% consistent when throwing the caution flag.
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Agreed 100%, but inconsistency does not equal manipulation.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
The Chase made this race entertaining. No doubt about that. It's amazing that the final four ran so close for most of the day. While I'm not a fan of the format in the slightest, it was a memorable event for years to come.
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Yeah, but I think it the show put on by the front five or seven cars would have been equally entertaining under the old points system. We may not have been paying as much attention to Johnson for the middle part of the race when he was mired around 10th.
 
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