Restrictor Plates At Charlotte?

KevinWI said:
Isn't the RP on the TB now? It still is physically restricting the oxygen to the engine, no?
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Depends on how they implement it. If they just plugged the jets and air bleeds to make the carburetor into a TB, then the idea works (FSAE teams do this to save $$). But if they went to a standard throttle body, it's likely way big. The throttle blades on our throttle body are 2-3/8 as I recall to make 2100CFM bench flow, and it's basically a simplified CNC cut dominator, uses the same manifold bolts.
 
Why are they testing in the middle of December? The temperatures will be really cold. Everyone knows that cold temperatures = faster speeds. It won't be an accurate test.
 
Marcingak said:
Why are they testing in the middle of December? The temperatures will be really cold. Everyone knows that cold temperatures = faster speeds. It won't be an accurate test.
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Yeah but the tires probably won't be up to optimal temperature, either. I'd say it's probably a wash. Though they could be testing at TMS for a Charlotte stand-in.
 
Magnethead said:
Depends on how they implement it. If they just plugged the jets and air bleeds to make the carburetor into a TB, then the idea works (FSAE teams do this to save $$). But if they went to a standard throttle body, it's likely way big. The throttle blades on our throttle body are 2-3/8 as I recall to make 2100CFM bench flow, and it's basically a simplified CNC cut dominator, uses the same manifold bolts.
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They use a purpose built throttle body. The plate restricts the flow of air only and the computer adjusts the mixture accordingly
 
http://www.sportingnews.com/nascar/...ctronic-fuel-injuection-questions-answers-faq

Why is NASCAR still using restrictor plates where there’s no carburetor?

NASCAR could decrease horsepower by programming the system to reduce the maximum amount of fuel that could be injected into the cylinder or use smaller fuel injectors, but NASCAR believes that could contribute to melting of the current engine parts. NASCAR believes that there’s more parity and more confidence from the teams with restrictor plates, which restricts air flow to decrease horsepower.
 
I personally don't think they go fast enough at Charlotte to warrant a plate but this of course from a man who's only seen a race there from the stands, never been in a car at speed there so I dunno, maybe...
 
StandOnIt said:
http://www.sportingnews.com/nascar/...ctronic-fuel-injuection-questions-answers-faq

Why is NASCAR still using restrictor plates where there’s no carburetor?

NASCAR could decrease horsepower by programming the system to reduce the maximum amount of fuel that could be injected into the cylinder or use smaller fuel injectors, but NASCAR believes that could contribute to melting of the current engine parts. NASCAR believes that there’s more parity and more confidence from the teams with restrictor plates, which restricts air flow to decrease horsepower.
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My answer? Set the ignition timing to zero degrees, and mandate that camshafts have specific parameters for intake and exhaust centerlines. They'll be down to 700 HP in a heartbeat.
 
The reason the Cup Series is the Cup Series is because of the power their engines make. I am no aerodynamicist but I would think raising them off the ground might make a difference. Also asphalt research so repaves don't destroy racing quality.. But now I'm rambling.
 
Restrictor Plate King! said:
I personally don't think they go fast enough at Charlotte to warrant a plate but this of course from a man who's only seen a race there from the stands, never been in a car at speed there so I dunno, maybe...
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I think they're talking about using RP to make the races more exciting, instead of for speed/safety reasons.
 
The RP to me seems like an easy way out. I know at Daytona and Talladega it's for safety, but being used to enhance the racing seems gimmicky. I think the changes should be to aero and not the motor. Open the grille and brake ducts, take away spoiler and change the RR quarter panel. Hell, I'd take the roof wicker over the RP.
 
Ask the drivers what they think is best (they are the experts after all)

then do it.
 
The tapered spacer doesn't do a damn thing in Nationwide and Trucks. The Trucks put on a good show because you have a bunch of young guys trying to move up racing with a bunch of veterans who just don't give a ****. Helps that the trucks aren't aero-dependant.
 
PeopleAreStrange said:
This idea reminds me of the New Hampshire restrictor plate race that I watched on YouTube a couple of years ago.
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That race was terrible - but New Hampshire is also a flat track. I doubt a restrictor plate race at Texas or Michigan would be that bad.

Just get the cars off the ground and get rid of the splitter so side-by-side racing doesn't result in cut tires.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
Because the people who dont sit behind the wheel of a racecar know whats best. :confused:

That's like the men sitting behind the desk sending our children off to war and telling them how to act :owquitit:
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No, its because very rarely do fans and drivers agree what's a good race. Get outside the NASCAR bubble to local short tracks and series and see how much give and take there is. There's very few "racers" left in NASCAR.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
I forgot......

That's like the men sitting behind the desk sending our children off to war and telling them how to act :owquitit:
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ChexOrWrex said:
Because the people who dont sit behind the wheel of a racecar know whats best. :confused:

That's like the men sitting behind the desk sending our children off to war and telling them how to act :owquitit:
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I think NASCAR has made it pretty clear its not up to what the drivers want. The fans control this sport, and the fans will never fully agree.. case and point... who wishes they would just bring the tandem back to the plate tracks? I know I do...

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Could use a different winner lol but I think many fans would rather see the tandem return than to have to suffer through another Snoozefest 500 in february... I'd bet it's many of the same fans that complained about it to the point where they rewrote the rules.
 
I dont see there ever being a problem with bringing the cars closer together. Whatever that takes.. if they succeed.. I know I'll enjoy it more.. Make the leader have to race to stay there every lap... if we could see racing like we did in the trucks race at Homestead in ANY cup race.. I'd be satisfied.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
I dont see there ever being a problem with bringing the cars closer together. Whatever that takes.. if they succeed.. I know I'll enjoy it more.. Make the leader have to race to stay there every lap... if we could see racing like we did in the trucks race at Homestead in ANY cup race.. I'd be satisfied.
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The problem I could see is everybody will be running wide open and as a result of that, creating big packs of cars at places like Charlotte. We don't have that now because everyone can't race on the edge of being out of control. Slow the cars down and they will all be well inside that line.

I guess nascar thinks the fans want to see "the big one" at the intermediate tracks too.
 
gordonite said:
The problem I could see is everybody will be running wide open and as a result of that, creating big packs of cars at places like Charlotte. We don't have that now because everyone can't race on the edge of being out of control. Slow the cars down and they will all be well inside that line.

I guess nascar thinks the fans want to see "the big one" at the intermediate tracks too.
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Makes sense.. I wouldn't mind seeing the progressive banking be a thing of the past at most tracks either.
 
Dumbest idea ever. Take away the grip not the power if you want to slow them down. It seperates the men from the women:p(literally). Plate racing sucks and always has. If you can run WOT all the way around why not just get some lawn mowers that are govered and run them? Same difference. I cant believe its even under consideration.
 
To me, and I'm no expert, but if the car handles well they go faster and faster. Its much easier to make the cars not handle so well, Raise them, tire compounds, aero ect......But you will also have 2 or 3 that get it right and they will lap the field. I've never been a fan of restrictor plates.
 
I know this idea might sound a little crazy but they should bring back the wings. Instead of putting them on the rear deck lid they should put them on the roof so the drivers can still see through the car in front of them.
 
Marcingak said:
I know this idea might sound a little crazy but they should bring back the wings. Instead of putting them on the rear deck lid they should put them on the roof so the drivers can still see through the car in front of them.
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I like this idea also.


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The Nationwide cars use their momentum more as they dont have the huge drive off from all that cup horsepower. This greatly improves the racing IMO
 
SlicedBread22 said:
I think NASCAR has made it pretty clear its not up to what the drivers want. The fans control this sport, and the fans will never fully agree.. case and point... who wishes they would just bring the tandem back to the plate tracks? I know I do...

This...

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Could use a different winner lol but I think many fans would rather see the tandem return than to have to suffer through another Snoozefest 500 in february... I'd bet it's many of the same fans that complained about it to the point where they rewrote the rules.
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Have you watched the restrictor plate races since the Daytona 500? They've gotten much better. The most recent Talladega race was fantastic with plenty of side by side racing except for the end.

Good job finding the best tandem finish and the worst pack finish, btw. Great indicator of the difference of racing between the two... not.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
Ask the drivers what they think is best (they are the experts after all)

then do it.
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Maybe but I would expect 43 different answers, most all based on good reasoning.
 
I just want this 2 150 lap tires are netter than 4 fresh tires BS to go away
 
PeopleAreStrange said:
Have you watched the restrictor plate races since the Daytona 500? They've gotten much better. The most recent Talladega race was fantastic with plenty of side by side racing except for the end.

Good job finding the best tandem finish and the worst pack finish, btw. Great indicator of the difference of racing between the two... not.
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Beat me to it. That Daytona 500 was the Gen 6 first car, of course its gunna either be ridiculously good or boring. Unfortunately it took the latter but they have gotten better since. The best restictor plate races have come in the era when Chevy raced the Lumina and Monte Carlo
 
BamaFan said:
To me, and I'm no expert, but if the car handles well they go faster and faster. Its much easier to make the cars not handle so well, Raise them, tire compounds, aero ect......But you will also have 2 or 3 that get it right and they will lap the field. I've never been a fan of restrictor plates.
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Magnethead said:
My answer? Set the ignition timing to zero degrees, and mandate that camshafts have specific parameters for intake and exhaust centerlines. They'll be down to 700 HP in a heartbeat.
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Take power away + make them a little harder to drive...make them lift....
 
I would rather see speed bumps, than RP tracks.

When you can run without lifting something incredible has been lost in a race. There is something magical about watching a skilled driver master a Martinsville, Darlington, Richmond, Watkins Glen etc. You can see the precision and skill even when running a qualifying lap.
In contrast a car running qualifying lap at Daytona or Talladega is boring.

A track that doesn't demand brake use, and the demand to roll through or near the apexes should be redesigned or condemned.
Drivers should fight the track as much as they fight each other on the track.
 
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