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Understood.
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Understood.
StandOnIt
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The engine was built from scratch by Toyota Racing Development. 358 C.I. cast iron block, aluminum head, pushrod engine. 850HP
FenderBumper
The "good old days" ??
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mike honcho
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I thought you were just being nice and looking for another one? So you could get it right this time.I was starting to get kind of creeped out
FenderBumper
The "good old days" ??
I thought you were just being nice and looking for another one? So you could get it right this time.
That's it! He's waiting for the first one to drop out so he can stuff it back in.
Charlie Spencer
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I apologize for returning to something related to the original topic.
I'd expect Nissan to show up first, what with their having jumped into Super Cars this year.
It's tough for me to take any of this 'furriner' stuff seriously when Dodge was owned by Germans before the Italians; when Ford brings in engines from Mexico and Canada; when Toyotas, Hondas, and Nissans have more US-assembled components than the 'Merican' companies. I don't have any feelings on the subject either way, and I can't help but be amused by those who seriously think there's any difference in the 21st century.
Oh, and Pontiac would have gone away anywho when GM dropped the entire product line, along with Saturn, Hummer, and ... and either Buick or Oldsmobile, I can't remember which and could never tell the difference between the two of them anyway. Both were /are big ugly cars for little old people who couldn't see over the wheel; I think they came from the factory with the turn signals pre-stuck.
Competitive?
I'd expect Nissan to show up first, what with their having jumped into Super Cars this year.
Did you miss the 'smiley' at the end of Smoke's 'rant'?
It's tough for me to take any of this 'furriner' stuff seriously when Dodge was owned by Germans before the Italians; when Ford brings in engines from Mexico and Canada; when Toyotas, Hondas, and Nissans have more US-assembled components than the 'Merican' companies. I don't have any feelings on the subject either way, and I can't help but be amused by those who seriously think there's any difference in the 21st century.
Oh, and Pontiac would have gone away anywho when GM dropped the entire product line, along with Saturn, Hummer, and ... and either Buick or Oldsmobile, I can't remember which and could never tell the difference between the two of them anyway. Both were /are big ugly cars for little old people who couldn't see over the wheel; I think they came from the factory with the turn signals pre-stuck.
Charlie Spencer
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Yeah, I thought Dodge had a Gen6 car not only ready, but approved.
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It seemed like they wanted a top tier team or bust.
Yeah, It's built to Chevy specs.
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I agree. Nissan could become a player in NASCAR. But both of them would have to develop a pushrod V8 first.
NO!
It's tough for me to take any of this 'furriner' stuff seriously when Dodge was owned by Germans before the Italians; when Ford brings in engines from Mexico and Canada; when Toyotas, Hondas, and Nissans have more US-assembled components than the 'Merican' companies. I don't have any feelings on the subject either way, and I can't help but be amused by those who seriously think there's any difference in the 21st century.
Oh, and Pontiac would have gone away anywho when GM dropped the entire product line, along with Saturn, Hummer, and ... and either Buick or Oldsmobile, I can't remember which and could never tell the difference between the two of them anyway. Both were /are big ugly cars for little old people who couldn't see over the wheel; I think they came from the factory with the turn signals pre-stuck.
YUP!
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jack, for some reason seems like a not very friendly guy to work for. he also seems very hands on. I have worked for people like this before and I didn't like it. if I was a nascar driver jack roush would be last of the top tier owners I would want to drive for. The biggest issue for roush these days is sponsorship, the reason matt kenseth left is because sponsorship was iffy jack may have also asked him to take a pay cut if he stayed on. Ricky driving probably saves the team 3-4 million a year. jack ran matt's car in quite a few races last year without sponsorship. I know they put ecoboost on the car but a little common sense leads one to conclude that was a last minute deal at a deep discount. some of the other sponsorships were likely deeply discounted at the last minute. I was wondering when we would see sponsorship and money take its toll on the teams. I think now we are seeing it. even though cars have sponsors lets keep in mind unless a team has a major sponsor for a year or a long term deal in place its likely sold at a discount. right now HMS Penske and gibbs are the best funded teams and its showing on the racetack. Penske I think needs more top tier drivers to really become a force in the sport. It has to be tuff only having one good driver giving feedback. Penske keep in mind does not run alot of the contigency stickers because it clutters the car. penske runs the most new cars in a given year. I actually think roger just runs the teams for fun and doesn't make anything off them. if you look at money spent on the cars I am pretty sure penske spends the most money on each car.
the real story is RPM when it involves ford. Dodge I think toward the end was giving penske very little. I think at some points dodge was contributing almost nothing to penske. I also think ford knew the deal with RPM was due to renew and felt they cold spend more money to get penske in the fold. The real story here is RPM's flirtation with dodge. RPM waited and waited to see if a deal with dodge cold be made last year. They had a sure deal with ford at the beginning of the year, instead they pursued the dodge deal in hopes of getting more money. In the end dodge pulled out and RPM essentially (and this is speculation with common sense injected) had to take whatever ford would offer them, hint at a big discount. couple this with likely heavily discounted sponsorships on the 9 and 43 and you quickly see its tuff to make money or run well on the track.
the team I see at a crossroads is RCR. They are loosing harvick and I would lay a $100 bill on the table and further say harvick is taking budweiser, you don't hear about a move made a year in advance with sponsorship this tuff to come by without a sponsor being in the bag already. RCR for reasons I will never know essentially layed off bowyer due to lack of sponsorship and took the remaining sponsors that bowyer had which BTW were approx enough to run half the year and gave them to jeff burton. I said it was a dumb move at the time and is proving even a dumber move. bowyer had 5 hour energy willing to sponsor whomever owner bowyer was driving for and that included RCR. Jeff burton has no business in the 31 car anymore, bowyer had twice as many wins for RCR in the same time period and has reeled off 3 more the first year with a new team. JB is getting too old and isn't the future of the team. its like RC had some sort of old timer loyalty to JB. The deal with bowyer is one that is very puzzeling. even bowyer himself sat down with RC and said I have 5 hour, I have BB&T and general mills, how is this not enough to fund the car next year?? instead bowyer was told there wasn't enough money and the reaming sponsors BB&T and general mills were put on burtons car along with a hugely diminished CAT sponsorship. the smarter move was to tell burton you are done, bring in 5 hour, keep BB&T keep general mills. and at that point there might be 5-6 races to sell offer CAT or whomever would do it a discount and run bowyer for the year instead of letting MWR have him. Now next year RCR has no anchor driver, JB who should retire with his brother, and the 27 car which is well funded BUT that could be lured away to another team owner who seeks to have a well funded full time car. and budweiser is gone. I really really wonder what RCR will be like next year.
the real story is RPM when it involves ford. Dodge I think toward the end was giving penske very little. I think at some points dodge was contributing almost nothing to penske. I also think ford knew the deal with RPM was due to renew and felt they cold spend more money to get penske in the fold. The real story here is RPM's flirtation with dodge. RPM waited and waited to see if a deal with dodge cold be made last year. They had a sure deal with ford at the beginning of the year, instead they pursued the dodge deal in hopes of getting more money. In the end dodge pulled out and RPM essentially (and this is speculation with common sense injected) had to take whatever ford would offer them, hint at a big discount. couple this with likely heavily discounted sponsorships on the 9 and 43 and you quickly see its tuff to make money or run well on the track.
the team I see at a crossroads is RCR. They are loosing harvick and I would lay a $100 bill on the table and further say harvick is taking budweiser, you don't hear about a move made a year in advance with sponsorship this tuff to come by without a sponsor being in the bag already. RCR for reasons I will never know essentially layed off bowyer due to lack of sponsorship and took the remaining sponsors that bowyer had which BTW were approx enough to run half the year and gave them to jeff burton. I said it was a dumb move at the time and is proving even a dumber move. bowyer had 5 hour energy willing to sponsor whomever owner bowyer was driving for and that included RCR. Jeff burton has no business in the 31 car anymore, bowyer had twice as many wins for RCR in the same time period and has reeled off 3 more the first year with a new team. JB is getting too old and isn't the future of the team. its like RC had some sort of old timer loyalty to JB. The deal with bowyer is one that is very puzzeling. even bowyer himself sat down with RC and said I have 5 hour, I have BB&T and general mills, how is this not enough to fund the car next year?? instead bowyer was told there wasn't enough money and the reaming sponsors BB&T and general mills were put on burtons car along with a hugely diminished CAT sponsorship. the smarter move was to tell burton you are done, bring in 5 hour, keep BB&T keep general mills. and at that point there might be 5-6 races to sell offer CAT or whomever would do it a discount and run bowyer for the year instead of letting MWR have him. Now next year RCR has no anchor driver, JB who should retire with his brother, and the 27 car which is well funded BUT that could be lured away to another team owner who seeks to have a well funded full time car. and budweiser is gone. I really really wonder what RCR will be like next year.
StandOnIt
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Here read this. may be this will help your confusion. It isn't spelled out in black and white that Toyota's engine wasn't built to Chevy's specs, but why would both Ford and Chevy trying to build a new engine to compete with Toyota's new technology? This is back in 06
New Chevy Engines: One of four proposed new Chevrolet NASCAR Cup engines - which have been under top-secret development by the Rick Hendrick, Joe Gibbs, Childress and DEI camps - has already finished its first dyno run, according to sources, and two more versions are expected to be on the dyno in the next week or so. Chevy execs have been tight-lipped about the project, which is designed in part to meet the Toyota challenge next season. Mark Kent, GM's racing boss, and Pat Suhy, GM's NASCAR field director, would only say the new engine - whichever version is selected to be officially submitted to NASCAR by the Sept. 1 deadline - is on the fast-track. "We hope it's a Toyota-killer.... or that it's at least as good as the Toyota," Kent said. Toyota's Truck V-8 is considered the best-designed engine in NASCAR today, but NASCAR has said it will try to rein in some of the Toyota design aspects in its new Nextel Cup engine. NASCAR officials have spent more than a year articulating some 70 engine parameters in order to create a tighter box for all four manufacturers to meet in their various engine designs. However Toyota engineers have, according to their rivals, been able to. Chevrolet's engine design is the oldest on the Nextel Cup tour, OKed in 1996. A 1999 proposed redesign and a 2003 proposed redesign were both rejected by NASCAR.(Winston Salem Journal)(5-20-2006)
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I truly don't get where all the Roush panic is coming from. His drivers are 5th, 8th and 11th in the points with 1 win. I just don't get it
DUN24
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Good read. I vaguely remember the finger pointing from the American camp haha. As far as Toyota building their own v8.. I still am not sure what they did to make theirs, theirs.. Ya know? They were kept in the same box as Ford and Chevy as far as compression, cubic inch displacement, etc. and like I said, what's unique to their engine layout only? The dodges had a slightly different cam location, Fords and chevys have distributors on opposite ends(not positive it's still this way with the newer motors), etc..
FenderBumper
The "good old days" ??
Most of the differences are in the heads and intakes, but cylinder placement is also part of it. All of these blocks are made of compacted graphite iron, so they have little in common with anything stock.
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Some of the newbies sure take all of the fun out of the way we do things on here, on topic on topic on topic on topic, highjacked the thread highjacked the thread highjacked the thread highjacked the thread squawk, sounds like a freakin mynah bird.
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Yeah I dont know what has happened with RCR. Just two years ago (three maybe?) they had 3 cars in the chase and Jeff Burton was one of them. The last couple of years they have really fallen off which is disappointing, since i really like the RCR organization. As far as RPM, they actually seem to be putting up some pretty respectable cars for the races given the fact that they are the #3 Ford camp
FLRacingFan
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With Harvick leaving, Menard in a contract year, and Burton getting old I think RCR is really going to focus on building the future with Austin and Ty as the base. With Furniture Row Racing affiliated with RCR, I can see Kurt going over there to be the veteran driver soon.
Charlie Spencer
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BASS Pro tour is on Falcon Lake in Texas this weekend. Get your picks in!
ted@economy
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Greg talks with the dogs , now Johali with the birds , and I'm talkin to a fictitious nurse this place is getting weird .
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What the hell you mean getting, havent you been paying attention, but I love it.
Menard is a cash cow, he won't be leaving anytime soon. I can't see any top tier team taking a chance on Kurt because he is no longer attractive to sponsors.
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I think Kurt goes to RCR next year. I just think there's something to the one year contract and RCR stepping up their commitment to Furniture Row. RCR is losing Kevin Harvick and his sponsors to SHR, Cat and Jeff Burton is up after this year, Menard is up and he's left teams before and he can go where he wants because he brings his sponsor with him. I like RCR but in all honesty, I don't think of RCR as the power house it once was. And I think Dodge might factor in to RCR's 2014 plans too.
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I think the one year contract was because he probably wont make it through the season without stepping on his own junk again.
ted@economy
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I could see Rescue Remedy sponsoring Kurt...
The guy ran 4th last week , currently running 5th in practice this week. The man is an idiot that drives a racecar like a champion.
That is what makes this so sad, he has a ton of talent but he is a spoiled rotten little kid. When he doesn't get his way he melts down and no one wants to be around him.
FenderBumper
The "good old days" ??
It was sad watching Kurt suck up to Jimmie Spencer on race hub. Spence made his career tearing Kurt down.
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Kurt can drive no doubt. I would put up with him for about 30 seconds if he worked for me good or not. Then, you have the people around him that hate him that work with him. The guy is just an A%%. He is on a razors edge right now and anybody that hires him is taking a big chance imo. He is lucky he is not driving a go cart somewhere.
StandOnIt
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bull hockey, Kurt's mouth got him in trouble, not his driving, amplified by the media goons and the easily swayed fans who blow whichever way the wind blows. You learn from your mistakes in this life, and Kurt is learning to keep his mouth shut, just like his brother. The nail that sticks out..gets pounded now a days. Boys have at it? bull crap. If a few media goons got the crap beat out of them for asking stupid questions, wouldn't bother me a bit.
That is what we are all saying, Kurt can drive but he acts like a nine year old. What he did to Jenna Fryer was borderline assault. What he did to Dr. Punch was stupid. Tangling with the law out west should have gotten him jail time. I just can't see a sponsor taking a chance with this child.
ted@economy
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A sponsor is taking a chance on him.
Furniture Row and Denver mattress? I never heard of either until they showed up on a race car.
StandOnIt
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me neither. Manards was another one for me. northern chain store
StandOnIt
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more bull crap. You act like the talking heads are more important than they are, they could have chosen to NOT stick a microphone and a camera in his face, you ever think about that? Any idiot close to racing knows he has a temper, but they choose to do so..and they also choose to goon up the sport IMO. Some people like that apparently. Bottom line for me. he can drive the heck out of a race car, I'll watch him if he is driving a street stocker, and you can read about him on the gossip pages. and by the way WE..WE, you got a mouse in your pocket. Should know better than to use WE round here
ted@economy
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Soo it has to be a sponsor you have hear of ?
StandOnIt
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Here is another opinion about "lovely Jenna" from Tony Stewart.
http://siriusxmsports.posterous.com/tony-stewart-with-the-media-is-not-impressed
I get where you are coming from Smoke14, Kurt isn't the most likeable driver, and he has, because of his conduct, shot himself in the foot many times, but he is part of the show. The show is the drivers, the rest of it, the big show, is filler until the next race as far as I am concerned.
http://siriusxmsports.posterous.com/tony-stewart-with-the-media-is-not-impressed
I get where you are coming from Smoke14, Kurt isn't the most likeable driver, and he has, because of his conduct, shot himself in the foot many times, but he is part of the show. The show is the drivers, the rest of it, the big show, is filler until the next race as far as I am concerned.
No, I do not have a mouse in my pocket. If you take the time to read through this thread you will see most everyone (we) agree that Kurt can drive a car.
As for people taunting Kurt, well, if he was a grown up he could muddle through that. By the way, the deputy that he disrespected out west, was he just taunting Kurt as well?
You have your opinion and I have mine. I will never, ever, have any respect for Kurt as a person again.
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Love 'em or hate 'em but the racing is more exciting when KuBu's in the mix and running good, IMO.