Rumored new scoring system

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so an anonymous source has information that is being considered and isn't finalized yet.

yawn
 
Sounds like they're trying to mirror F1's system...except they're taking something bad, and making it worse.
 
I just have to ask myself, why? Brian Frances got the "7th game" that he wanted, I mean yes Homestead was more about who could make the least mistake, but Johnson, Hamlin, and Harvick all went into the race with a chance to win the Championship.

STOP F##KING WITH THINGS!!
 
Here's a little more info.....

NASCAR is also shying away from wholesale changes to its Chase for the Sprint Cup championship format. Teams have been told NASCAR is leaning toward keeping it a 12-driver field, with one caveat: The top 10 drivers following the 26th race of the season would qualify for the Chase, while the remaining two spots would go to the drivers with the most wins who are not already eligible for the Chase. Preseason testing begins Thursday at Daytona International Speedway, and NASCAR president Mike Helton and vice president of competition Robin Pemberton are scheduled to discuss some of the changes planned for 2011. But the major announcements aren't scheduled until next week when France makes a presentation during Charlotte Motor Speedway's annual media tour. NASCAR is still debating how to award bonuses under a straight points system, and ideas being considered are for anywhere from one to three points being given to lap leaders and race winners.(in part from the Associated Press)

If any of this is true it does look like they are working on the bonus points but I agree with an earlier post, make the bonus something substantial for the win. But even that could have drawbacks..... What if one of those so called 'road course' drivers pulled out the win @ Watkins Glen and made the Chase off of that win alone? That wouldn't be good IMO.
 
This just shows you that NASCAR no longer knows their fan base, IMO this is a horrible move and just makes the sport worse.

What is it going to take for them to find out they have a major problem on their hands?
 
Go Panthers said:
This just shows you that NASCAR no longer knows their fan base, IMO this is a horrible move and just makes the sport worse.

What is it going to take for them to find out they have a major problem on their hands?
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As long as they continue to make money they won't give a ****!!!
 
It isn't that I do not trust Jenna Fryer but I will wait until I read the press release to give my opinion...
 
I think the intent is to keep all the drivers closer together. But I also think it will be harder to make up points if a driver gets way behind earlier in the year.
 
MRM said:
I think the intent is to keep all the drivers closer together. But I also think it will be harder to make up points if a driver gets way behind earlier in the year.
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It's already hard to make up points, especially if you tank at Daytona. This new points system if it ever takes shape, won't do much, but piss off the old timers like myself. Like I said as long as Nascar is still making enough money to matter, they won't care what people think. It's when they go into the negative that's when they will start listening.
 
Get rid of the chase and go back to the "old" system that rewarded consistency. Having 12 drivers start the last 10 races basically even is like 7 year olds playing T-ball where they don't keep score. Childish and foolish, IMHO of course.
 
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UPDATE: Ramsey Poston, NASCAR managing director of corporate communications, said the sanctioning body has bounced several new competition ideas around to drivers and car owners in a recent series of town hall meetings. "NASCAR executives, including chairman and CEO Brian France, are in the process of meeting with drivers and team owners," Poston said in a phone interview Monday night. "In those meetings we have discussed a number of ideas for potential changes for the coming season, none of which have been finalized at this point." NASCAR president Mike Helton and vice president of competition Robin Pemberton will address 2011 rule changes in a news conference scheduled Friday at Daytona International Speedway. "We need to balance stories from past and look to the future to make things better," Speedway president Joie Chitwood III said from his home Monday night.
Darrell Waltrip won three Cup championships during his driving career, all with the current points system [but no Chase]. Contacted at his home near Nashville, Tenn., Monday night, he said changing the points would have little effect on who wins the championship. "If you run the numbers, I guarantee you it comes out the same," said Waltrip, now a racing analyst for Fox Sports. "It's all perception. I've said all along, when we can't explain it, so the people at home can understand it, it needs to be addressed. If you look at the history, 90% of the time, the championship comes down to two guys, sometimes three." Chitwood said he hopes to see the change because it would make the points system easier for fans to understand. "We can never stop improving our sport, whether it is what we do at the track or what NASCAR does to manage competition," Chitwood said.(Daytona Beach News Journal)(1-18-2011)
 
BobbyFord said:
UPDATE: Ramsey Poston, NASCAR managing director of corporate communications, said the sanctioning body has bounced several new competition ideas around to drivers and car owners in a recent series of town hall meetings. "NASCAR executives, including chairman and CEO Brian France, are in the process of meeting with drivers and team owners," Poston said in a phone interview Monday night. "In those meetings we have discussed a number of ideas for potential changes for the coming season, none of which have been finalized at this point." NASCAR president Mike Helton and vice president of competition Robin Pemberton will address 2011 rule changes in a news conference scheduled Friday at Daytona International Speedway. "We need to balance stories from past and look to the future to make things better," Speedway president Joie Chitwood III said from his home Monday night.
Darrell Waltrip won three Cup championships during his driving career, all with the current points system [but no Chase]. Contacted at his home near Nashville, Tenn., Monday night, he said changing the points would have little effect on who wins the championship. "If you run the numbers, I guarantee you it comes out the same," said Waltrip, now a racing analyst for Fox Sports. "It's all perception. I've said all along, when we can't explain it, so the people at home can understand it, it needs to be addressed. If you look at the history, 90% of the time, the championship comes down to two guys, sometimes three." Chitwood said he hopes to see the change because it would make the points system easier for fans to understand. "We can never stop improving our sport, whether it is what we do at the track or what NASCAR does to manage competition," Chitwood said.(Daytona Beach News Journal)(1-18-2011)
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So they are dumbing it down so we can understand it.Are we really that stupid?
 
When I mentioned this to my friend Andy (modified owner) he said that's the way they've been scoring at the Stadium for ever. I tend to agree with ol' DW, it really doesn't matter what point system you use, you'll end up with the same guys on top. The problem here is like everywhere else. People just don't want change, but change is inevitable in all things.
 
buckaroo said:
When I mentioned this to my friend Andy (modified owner) he said that's the way they've been scoring at the Stadium for ever. I tend to agree with ol' DW, it really doesn't matter what point system you use, you'll end up with the same guys on top. The problem here is like everywhere else. People just don't want change, but change is inevitable in all things.
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Well said Buck:beerbang:
 
As much as it hurts me to say it DW has a point. It doesn't matter what system you use it's gonna be the same guys at the top.
 
I didn't write this, but I agree with it completely::

No, to me the main problem with NASCAR is the mere concept of a point system burdened with consistency taking hold: Drivers knowing on lap 100 that a fifth-place regular season finish, should they coast to the checkers, is better for them in the long run than risking a race win and crashing out. It's the boring midsection of races, drivers running single-file and saving their aggression for the final 20 laps and not all 500, that has left younger fans running for the exits. The sport needs to do something aggressive to bring a "Boys, Have At It" mentality from the drop of the green to the drop of the checkered flag.
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Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...NASCAR.points.system/index.html#ixzz1BU4c2ppk
 
buckaroo said:
When I mentioned this to my friend Andy (modified owner) he said that's the way they've been scoring at the Stadium for ever. I tend to agree with ol' DW, it really doesn't matter what point system you use, you'll end up with the same guys on top. The problem here is like everywhere else. People just don't want change, but change is inevitable in all things.
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But that statement is not true, the same people do not come out on top when you compare the old points vs. the new. I did a post a few months back showing the differences on who would win under each system. I'll try to dig it up again, but there is a huge difference in champions under each system.

Found it

If the points had been changed in 1975 to the Chase this is how things would look.

Petty - 7 Championships
Yarborough 4
DW 4
Harry Gant 2
Earnhardt 5
Elliot 1
Wallace 2
Kyle Petty 1
Gordon 2
Jarrett 1
B Labonte 2
Marlin 1
Ky Busch 2
JJ 6
TS 1

Old points
Petty 7
Yarborough 3
Earnhardt 7
Waltrip 3
Allison 1
T Labonte 2
Elliot 1
Wallace 1
Kulwicki
Gordon 6
Jarrett 1
B Labonte 1
Stewart 2
Kenseth 1
JJ 2
Edwards 1
Harvick 1
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I'm not a Gordon fan at all, but he's really been screwed over by the new points.
 
Let's start with changing history. NASCAR is like baseball, where fans detest any adjustment to the sport they've felt was already near perfect.
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i agree with this. i'm still pi**ed at mlb's introduction of the designated hitter. don't screw around with something that has worked, and worked well, with sports that have a large fan base. you just pi** them off.
 
Two things I'd like to see, remember the Gatorade halfway money? Give 5 points for leading at half way, that should spice things up.

Eliminate points for leading a lap under caution, in fact only allow points for leading the most laps.
 
SST55 said:
Two things I'd like to see, remember the Gatorade halfway money? Give 5 points for leading at half way, that should spice things up.

Eliminate points for leading a lap under caution, in fact only allow points for leading the most laps.
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I could never understand why they eliminated the Gatorade thing for halfway points, and yeh get rid of the caution points too, I agree.
 
Gatorade put up the 10 grand, wasn't it called half way challenge?? or something like that IIRC.
When Gatorade pulled the $, good bye.

Morgan Shepard is a real nice guy but 5 points for leading a lap under caution when he was running somewhere in the 30's before pit stops defies logic.
 
Stewart Fan said:
As much as it hurts me to say it DW has a point. It doesn't matter what system you use it's gonna be the same guys at the top.
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The best ones are going to be on top no matter how they do it because they are the best. What they're looking for is making things tighter as the season goes along. But if they try to say some driver 6th in the points is only 42 points out of the lead, he'd have to win that race and the leader would have to finish last for them to be tied. It's more of a perception thing they're going after.
 
MRM said:
Shortening the races is the only way to create that. When a race is 3+ hours long, they'll be some "saving the equipment" period at some point during the race.
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I don't claim to have all the answers :(

I just know that it's impossible to get my son to watch the races because he knows that they are just cruising around turning laps for the middle parts of the race.
 
MRM said:
The best ones are going to be on top no matter how they do it because they are the best.
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Thats simply not true, facts do not back this up. If you compare the old vs new points system you will see the numbers show a different outcome on champions. Anyone that tells you the outcome of old vs the new is the same obviously has not done the research.

Just for example, look at 2010 points.

Old points
1) #29-Kevin Harvick, 5274
2) #48-Jimmie Johnson, 4989, -285
3) #11-Denny Hamlin, 4865, -409
4) #99-Carl Edwards, 4820, -454
5) #24-Jeff Gordon, 4669, -605
6) #18-Kyle Busch, 4647, -627
7) #17-Matt Kenseth, 4640, -634
8) #14-Tony Stewart, 4628, -646
9) #2-Kurt Busch, 4459, -815
10) #31-Jeff Burton, 4423, -851
11) #16-Greg Biffle, 4414, -860
12) #33-Clint Bowyer, 4376, -898
13) #5-Mark Martin, 4364, -910
14) #1-Jamie McMurray, 4325, -949

New Points

1 JIMMIE JOHNSON 6622 36 6 17 23 $7,264,781
2 DENNY HAMLIN 6583 36 8 14 18 5,856,553
3 KEVIN HARVICK 6581 36 3 16 26 6,812,584
4 CARL EDWARDS 6393 36 2 9 19 5,716,357
5 MATT KENSETH 6294 36 0 6 15 5,621,481
6 GREG BIFFLE 6247 36 2 9 19 4,966,012
7 TONY STEWART 6221 36 2 9 17 5,664,253
8 KYLE BUSCH 6182 36 3 10 18 6,291,686
9 JEFF GORDON 6176 36 0 11 17 5,703,706
10 CLINT BOWYER 6155 36 2 7 18 4,700,629
11 KURT BUSCH 6142 36 2 9 17 6,732,738
12 JEFF BURTON 6033 36 0 6 15 5,178,400
13 MARK MARTIN 4364 36 0 7 11 4,481,763
14 JAMIE MCMURRAY 4325 36 3 9 12 6,858,689
 
Go Panthers said:
Thats simply not true, facts do not back this up. If you compare the old vs new points system you will see the numbers show a different outcome on champions. Anyone that tells you the outcome of old vs the new is the same obviously has not done the research.

Just for example, look at 2010 points.

Old points
1) #29-Kevin Harvick, 5274
2) #48-Jimmie Johnson, 4989, -285
3) #11-Denny Hamlin, 4865, -409
4) #99-Carl Edwards, 4820, -454
5) #24-Jeff Gordon, 4669, -605
6) #18-Kyle Busch, 4647, -627
7) #17-Matt Kenseth, 4640, -634
8) #14-Tony Stewart, 4628, -646
9) #2-Kurt Busch, 4459, -815
10) #31-Jeff Burton, 4423, -851
11) #16-Greg Biffle, 4414, -860
12) #33-Clint Bowyer, 4376, -898
13) #5-Mark Martin, 4364, -910
14) #1-Jamie McMurray, 4325, -949

New Points

1 JIMMIE JOHNSON 6622 36 6 17 23 $7,264,781
2 DENNY HAMLIN 6583 36 8 14 18 5,856,553
3 KEVIN HARVICK 6581 36 3 16 26 6,812,584
4 CARL EDWARDS 6393 36 2 9 19 5,716,357
5 MATT KENSETH 6294 36 0 6 15 5,621,481
6 GREG BIFFLE 6247 36 2 9 19 4,966,012
7 TONY STEWART 6221 36 2 9 17 5,664,253
8 KYLE BUSCH 6182 36 3 10 18 6,291,686
9 JEFF GORDON 6176 36 0 11 17 5,703,706
10 CLINT BOWYER 6155 36 2 7 18 4,700,629
11 KURT BUSCH 6142 36 2 9 17 6,732,738
12 JEFF BURTON 6033 36 0 6 15 5,178,400
13 MARK MARTIN 4364 36 0 7 11 4,481,763
14 JAMIE MCMURRAY 4325 36 3 9 12 6,858,689
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I don't think the point was that the finishing order is the same. The point was that it's the same group of people. (plus or minus 1 or 2 guys at the margin)
 
sloggie said:
I don't think the point was that the finishing order is the same. The point was that it's the same group of people. (plus or minus 1 or 2 guys at the margin)
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to me the true champion is the person/team than ran the best throughout the entire season. I think any points system that doesnt reflect this is flat out wrong.
 
Go Panthers said:
to me the true champion is the person/team than ran the best throughout the entire season. I think any points system that doesnt reflect this is flat out wrong.
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True that's why they still have it the old way at the local track level. Most consistent driver throughout the season almost always leads the points and wins the championship, just the way it should be.
 
Go Panthers said:
to me the true champion is the person/team than ran the best throughout the entire season. I think any points system that doesnt reflect this is flat out wrong.
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Thanks, that was my point. Regardless if they give the winner 500 points or 50 points, the same group of guys will be in the top 10 with a few falling off and a few taking their place from year to year.
 
MRM said:
Thanks, that was my point. Regardless if they give the winner 500 points or 50 points, the same group of guys will be in the top 10 with a few falling off and a few taking their place from year to year.
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I dont take issue with the way the points are rewarded throughout a race, i take issue with resetting the points with 10 races to go. Its absurd, this is Nascar's biggest problem.
 
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