Should nascar act now to resolve the problem with KO qualifying?

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mreed

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Is nascar is headed for a big fall with this new qualifying format? Drivers have been telling nascar it's very dangerous, but nascar seems unwilling to act now to resolve the problem.

For those that haven't seen it yet, the problem is that the only way for cars to cool their engines after running some qualifying laps is to run slowly around the bottom of the track. But they have to do this while cars are running at race speeds on the track, which creates a very dangerous situation.
Everyone that has seen it knows it's only a matter of time before something bad happens. It's not like nascar isn't aware that there is a dangerous aspect of the "knockout qualifying".

For safety reasons, nascar has a rule that a car must maintain a minimum speed during a race to be on the track, or even running around on the apron. But nascar seems to be ok with cars running very slow at the bottom of the track/apron during qualifying while cars on the track are running at race speeds.

IMO nascar need to take immediate steps to resolve this before something very bad happens.
The "wait and see"/ "Too early to tell" approach is a mistake considering they know the new qualifying format has a very dangerous aspect to it.

Read what some drivers and nascar have said about it...

http://www.jayski.com/cupnews.htm#20140308d

Should nascar take immediate steps to resolve this, or take the "too early to tell" approach and wait to see what happens?
 
Leave the tape off the front of the car, problem solved.
 
The words "FAN VOTE " come to mind . That could be the new qualifying format.
 
There are several solutions to the problem.

I'm asking if nascar should act now to resolve this, or take the wait and see approach.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
What more can be said than was already said in all of the other qualifying threads?
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Because I'm asking a specific question about it. Not asking for general thoughts of what people think about KO qualifying.
 
mreed said:
There are several solutions to the problem.

I'm asking if nascar should act now to resolve this, or take the wait and see approach.
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Yes, they should fix it now and be done with it
 
Why cant the cars cooling park on pit road not rasing the hood?
 
NO! They should wait till something happens. Right now it's just a risk. They have to wait till it causes a big crash for the highlight reel on ESPN or worse. :sarcasm:
 
FenderBumper said:
No. nascar should remain consistent and wait 5 or 6 years before solving any problem.
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When one of the drivers who is a money making icon for them gets injured they'll go "Golly gee whiz, we need to fix this''
 
DanicaFreak said:
Why cant the cars cooling park on pit road not rasing the hood?
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nascar doesn't have enough officials to be at every car to make sure teams don't do things they aren't supposed to do if they raise their hood.
 
mreed said:
nascar doesn't have enough officials to be at every car to make sure teams don't do things they aren't supposed to do if they raise their hood.
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Thats why I said hve them NOT raise the hood
 
FLRacingFan said:
They need to do it before we have our own Gidley-Malucelli incident.
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It's stunning to me nascar has taken a "wait and see" policy when they know they have created a very dangerous situation.

Its not ever going to start being less dangerous by waiting.

The "wait to see what happens" approach is more like ... wait to see how long before a massive crash happens during qualifying.
 
I like that people are starting to realize the very danger this is posing. The more the media talks about it the faster this gets fixed or lumped as a failure alltogether.

I'm hoping for the latter. This is ridiculous.
 
Yes, it does increase the odds of a accident but the new Q format is way more exciting than the solo runs we're used to. In my opinion this generation of driver doesn't know what dangerous is. I think of all the old racers that didn't have Lexan windows, head and neck restraints, Nomex uniforms, soft walls, etc... Those guys where tens times tougher than the whiny multi-millionaires we have now. If you afraid of getting hurt retire!
 
Sidewayz said:
Yes, it does increase the odds of a accident but the new Q format is way more exciting than the solo runs we're used to. In my opinion this generation of driver doesn't know what dangerous is. I think of all the old racers that didn't have Lexan windows, head and neck restraints, Nomex uniforms, soft walls, etc... Those guys where tens times tougher than the whiny multi-millionaires we have now. If you afraid of getting hurt retire!
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LOL they toughed it out because they had no other options dude. Bad comparison.
 
Sidewayz said:
Yes, it does increase the odds of a accident but the new Q format is way more exciting than the solo runs we're used to. In my opinion this generation of driver doesn't know what dangerous is. I think of all the old racers that didn't have Lexan windows, head and neck restraints, Nomex uniforms, soft walls, etc... Those guys where tens times tougher than the whiny multi-millionaires we have now. If you afraid of getting hurt retire!
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NASCAR unnecessarily created a more dangerous environment for drivers. If we want to make things more dangerous than they were let's tear out the SAFER barriers and move the seats away from the center of the ****pit towards the left again.
 
Sidewayz said:
Yes, it does increase the odds of a accident but the new Q format is way more exciting than the solo runs we're used to. In my opinion this generation of driver doesn't know what dangerous is. I think of all the old racers that didn't have Lexan windows, head and neck restraints, Nomex uniforms, soft walls, etc... Those guys where tens times tougher than the whiny multi-millionaires we have now. If you afraid of getting hurt retire!
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Then why does nascar have the minimum speed rule during the race?

An external quick disconnect for the water hose to cool the engines would solve the problem. No reason for nascar to drag their feet on this.
 
FLRacingFan said:
NASCAR unnecessarily created a more dangerous environment for drivers. If we want to make things more dangerous than they were let's tear out the SAFER barriers and move the seats away from the center of the ****pit towards the left again.
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IMO this is much more exciting and it seems to be the older wealthier drivers who are complaining and the younger eager guys don't seem to have an issue with it. I see it no different that a green flag pit where a car pitting slows while everyone else is standing on the pedal.. Should we eliminate greens flag pits because of the increased potential for danger or let the drivers earn their money by show casing their skill?
 
Sidewayz said:
IMO this is much more exciting and it seems to be the older wealthier drivers who are complaining and the younger eager guys don't seem to have an issue with it. I see it no different that a green flag pit where a car pitting slows while everyone else is standing on the pedal.. Should we eliminate greens flag pits because of the increased potential for danger or let the drivers earn their money by show casing their skill?
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If nascar could keep the KO qualifying, but allow teams to do something that would eliminate the need for cars to run slow laps on the apron while cars are running at race speeds on the track, would you be ok with that?

nascar can do that right now.
 
mreed said:
If nascar could keep the KO qualifying, but allow teams to do something that would eliminate the need for cars to run slow laps on the apron while cars are running at race speeds on the track, would you be ok with that?

nascar can do that right now.
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Ya, I'm cool with.. But not sure nascar will do it? If the allow engine coolers they will need an official for each car
 
Sidewayz said:
Ya, I'm cool with.. But not sure nascar will do it? If the allow engine coolers they will need an official for each car
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An external quick disconnect would allow teams to flush the engines with cool water without lifting the hood.

I don't understand why nascar would drag their feet on a safety issue, especially one they created.

It not a question of if a disaster happens, but when.
 
mreed said:
An external quick disconnect would allow teams to flush the engines with cool water without lifting the hood.

I don't understand why nascar would drag their feet on a safety issue, especially one they created.

It not a question of if a disaster happens, but when.
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It's just nascar being cute, as usual. They keep saying 'don't use tape' instead of simply saying you CAN'T use tape.
 
DanicaFreak said:
Thats why I said hve them NOT raise the hood
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Logano already said that his team and many teams already have the ability to do just say. He said they have an "adapter" that runs up to the hood flaps where they could lift up the hood flap, plug in the cooling system without having them open up the hoods.

NASCAR is stupid for not implementing this right away. The implemented this type of qualifying to make things more interesting for the fans. More qualifying runs by everyone = more interesting. Cooling the car down and seeing the people go out and make MORE runs is better. Not sure NASCAR is trying to pretend that that isn;t the case.
 
Let them use the coolers. If they have officials for every car during a race, I don't see why they can't do that for qualifying.
 
Alan Gustafson was on SiriusXM NASCAR Radio a few minutes ago talking about the new changes. He indicated that it should take 6-8 minutes to cool down and head back out for another run. Basically they'll be making about the same number of qualifying runs as they were before if needed.
 
I was stunned nascar was taking a "wait and see" and "too early to tell" approach to this issue. I'm glad they made a move to resolve this.

It would have been a pretty big black eye for nascar if they continued like before and a horrible accident happened, especially with the drivers telling nascar how dangerous it was.
 
Is it possible to do KO Qualifying in a pack? Send out a pack of 5 cars for 5 laps and then once that pack is done, send out the next pack.
 
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