SiriusXM's NASCAR Radio - Today's, not so hidden, agenda.....

Revman said:
....or what Kez was spewing last year. If Kyle Busch is so damn important to this sport, why doesn't the sport listen to him? Maybe they should, and then he wouldn't be on the podium that the sanctioning body provided spreading his perception which is inconsistent with what NASCAR is hoping for. Want a certain narrative, control the narrative. Where the hell is Jimmie?
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Could insert any driver name in there. It wouldn't change the point I was trying to make. You have to dig for NASCAR information if you are a non NASCAR fan. What any driver says after a pre-season test doesn't make it as a mainstream news topic to a no fan of the sport.
 
Hilarious - -people complain and are mad/pout because Klye speaks his mind. Those same people never stop or pause to see that Kyle got exactly what he and NASCAR got what they wanted. A bit of a splash that makes people talk or think about the sport during a time in which they generally don’t.
 
Whiskyb said:
Lets say 5 or 6 drivers came out and said the same thing as Kyle. Now here you are sitting on the fence as to whether or not buy tickets to a race. Could it possibly change your decision
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Kyle Busch just stared what a bunch of us already knew. If a group of drivers said the same thing I would appreciate the honesty.
 
Whiskyb said:
And as a long time fan I agree that I will still go or watch. But there is a group out there who Nascar is trying to attract and having drivers say negative stuff about the new cars might make a difference. Not the way I feel but it might affect some
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I doubt any prospective new fans are even aware of what Nascar is doing right now. Also I doubt dumbing down the series will attract any significant numbers of new fans anyway.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Could insert any driver name in there. It wouldn't change the point I was trying to make. You have to dig for NASCAR information if you are a non NASCAR fan. What any driver says after a pre-season test doesn't make it as a mainstream news topic to a no fan of the sport.
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Media in my area don’t even cover Nascar so I agree you don’t get info unless you search for it.
 
Towmater said:
Hilarious - -people complain and are mad/pout because Klye speaks his mind. Those same people never stop or pause to see that Kyle got exactly what he and NASCAR got what they wanted. A bit of a splash that makes people talk or think about the sport during a time in which they generally don’t.
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My point exactly.
 
IanMcVittie said:
Media in my area don’t even cover Nascar so I agree you don’t get info unless you search for it.
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During the season you'll hear on a Monday morning who won the day before. Nothing more than that. I listen to sports talk radio Monday through Friday in the Pittsburgh PA market. Even in Nascar's glory days, at the peak of popularity, not a single call or segment devoted to this sport.

The only way to get Nascar news is to seek it out. You don't even stumble across it. A quick trip to ESPN dot com and you'll see Nascar nowhere in the page. Nascar is an additional, obscure sport falling behind just about every other sport that you could name.

As far as that potential fan..... Nascar is probably lucky if they even realize that the Daytona 500 is just around the corner letalone the cars handling during the Las Vegas new package practice session.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
As far as that potential fan..... Nascar is probably lucky if they even realize that the Daytona 500 is just around the corner letalone the cars handling during the Las Vegas new package practice session.
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That, and some NFL game lead-up is probably taking up most of the oxygen this week...
 
Whiskyb said:
Lets say 5 or 6 drivers came out and said the same thing as Kyle. Now here you are sitting on the fence as to whether or not buy tickets to a race. Could it possibly change your decision
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Yes. I have the luxury of living close to Charlotte Motor Speedway. I have the option of going to a “home race” that uses the controversial package and another that doesn’t. I will gladly attend Roval but not the 600 or All Star, and I attended all 3 Charlotte races for years.
 
Scott Miller on now, and Rodney "The Blade Runner" Childers coming up. Damn, I was close to cancelling my subscription, and they reel me back in!!!!
 
I want to re-subscribe just so I can hear Moody back pedal and support NASCAR's decision to hand a win and 1st place points to a 2nd place car. He berated so many callers for even hinting at this as a solution for so long.

I love it.
 
AdoubleU24 said:
I want to re-subscribe just so I can hear Moody back pedal and support NASCAR's decision to hand a win and 1st place points to a 2nd place car. He berated so many callers for even hinting at this as a solution for so long.

I love it.
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He did? He is loving it today. Moody. SMDH.
 
That shows the hosts on that channel have no credibility. The line of "I've never been told what to say or how to think" is embellishment at its finest.
 


NASCAR's agenda is not hidden anymore. This really pisses me off. Speaks volumes about the other on air "talents." Jim Noble was one of the reasons why I maintained my subscription. It appears that NASCAR is insistent on controlling the narrative instead of earning the narrative. This explains why Bagley and Pistone continue to be employed when they don't take about ****. Mix in Moody with his constant flip/flop and the crap he pulls with listeners, and there you have it. The only hope I have is that Jim mentions in the thread that those responsible got axed. It is my hope that Jim France takes this down a different path.
 
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Bigger shill: Moody or Choc? I'll take your answer off air instead of giving you the satisfaction of hanging up on me. Thanks!

Gotta respect Noble for making a call like that. There are still good journalists covering NASCAR, they're just few and far between.
 
Dr_B_UNC said:
Bigger shill: Moody or Choc? I'll take your answer off air instead of giving you the satisfaction of hanging up on me. Thanks!

Gotta respect Noble for making a call like that. There are still good journalists covering NASCAR, they're just few and far between.
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Concerning that NASCAR threatens drivers for speaking their minds, and then this comes out that they are trying to control the media narrative. It makes you wonder if anything positive said about this sport is because of the fear of retribution. This is not a good look for developing trust with the fanbase. I would understand if NASCAR wanted Bagley, Pistone, or Moody to shut up because they really need to, but Noble was an honest take on everything NASCAR. How deep does this go? I hope like hell that somebody calls in to address this with one of those guys, but you have to wonder.....Would any kind of a call like that even make it past the producers? Maybe not.
 
What were the restrictions no negative talk on the new package?
 
Revman said:


NASCAR's agenda is not hidden anymore. This really pisses me off. Speaks volumes about the other on air "talents." Jim Noble was one of the reasons why I maintained my subscription. It appears that NASCAR is insistent on controlling the narrative instead of earning the narrative. This explains why Bagley and Pistone continue to be employed when they don't take about sh!t. Mix in Moody with his constant flip/flop and the crap he pulls with listeners, and there you have it. The only hope I have is that Jim mentions in the thread that those responsible got axed. It is my hope that Jim France takes this down a different path.
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WHOOOOA. Thank you Noble!
 
Revman said:
Concerning that NASCAR threatens drivers for speaking their minds, and then this comes out that they are trying to control the media narrative. It makes you wonder if anything positive said about this sport is because of the fear of retribution. This is not a good look for developing trust with the fanbase. I would understand if NASCAR wanted Bagley, Pistone, or Moody to shut up because they really need to, but Noble was an honest take on everything NASCAR. How deep does this go? I hope like hell that somebody calls in to address this with one of those guys, but you have to wonder.....Would any kind of a call like that even make it past the producers? Maybe not.
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Moody would belittle the caller and hang up on them before they could finish their point. He chimed in on Noble's twitter thread you posted with a passive-aggressive "you're full of crap because I'm still employed and I'm critical of NASCAR!" The second best part for me of the day after Chase won his first at Watkins Glen was listening to Choc and Moody that day have to sit through happy Chase fan callers given their disdain for him, but I digress...
 
Dr_B_UNC said:
Moody would belittle the caller and hang up on them before they could finish their point. He chimed in on Noble's twitter thread you posted with a passive-aggressive "you're full of crap because I'm still employed and I'm critical of NASCAR!" The second best part for me of the day after Chase won his first at Watkins Glen was listening to Choc and Moody that day have to sit through happy Chase fan callers given their disdain for him, but I digress...
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Didn't see Moody's follow up....his words mean nothing to me anyway.
 
Revman said:
Concerning that NASCAR threatens drivers for speaking their minds, and then this comes out that they are trying to control the media narrative. It makes you wonder if anything positive said about this sport is because of the fear of retribution. This is not a good look for developing trust with the fanbase. I would understand if NASCAR wanted Bagley, Pistone, or Moody to shut up because they really need to, but Noble was an honest take on everything NASCAR. How deep does this go? I hope like hell that somebody calls in to address this with one of those guys, but you have to wonder.....Would any kind of a call like that even make it past the producers? Maybe not.
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I'll go a step further and ask what else are they manipulating

:idunno:
 
Dr_B_UNC said:
Moody would belittle the caller and hang up on them before they could finish their point. He chimed in on Noble's twitter thread you posted with a passive-aggressive "you're full of crap because I'm still employed and I'm critical of NASCAR!" The second best part for me of the day after Chase won his first at Watkins Glen was listening to Choc and Moody that day have to sit through happy Chase fan callers given their disdain for him, but I digress...
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Moody is the proverbial "kid who got pushed around on the playground, and is now paying the world back."
 
Turtle84 said:
What were the restrictions no negative talk on the new package?
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Probably. One of the latest NASCAR Fan Council Survey all but gave that away with some of the questions asking how it would improve your fan interest if the drivers were positive about the new package, etc. It was pretty blatant.
 
Dr_B_UNC said:
Probably. One of the latest NASCAR Fan Council Survey all but gave that away with some of the questions asking how it would improve your fan interest if the drivers were positive about the new package, etc. It was pretty blatant.
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Hamlin flip/flopping this morning. Says to Weaver about addressing NASCAR privately that they don't always listen, then turns around with Bagley and Pistone that he now feels he needs to be more careful with criticisms, and handles it behind closed doors with NASCAR.
 
Loving Kyle Busch even more given all of this bull****.
 
Dr_B_UNC said:
Probably. One of the latest NASCAR Fan Council Survey all but gave that away with some of the questions asking how it would improve your fan interest if the drivers were positive about the new package, etc. It was pretty blatant.
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Lol are they serious with that question? They need to clean more house or something :idunno:
 
While I dont think it's right that NASCAR controls what can and cannot be said about the sport.. (I'm going to single ok ur KyBu here.. sorry Rev) I think its worse when you have drivers talking bad about the sport.. apparently Kyle doesnt want to see the sport succeed.. hes known to talk bad about the cars or the package.. basically convincing people not to watch.. if a casual or newly interested fan just coming into the sport hears Kyle say the cars suck or it takes no talent.. why would they continue to watch when you have one of the biggest names in the sport advocating against it. Its complete nonsense and if I was in charge of the sanctioning body I would do the same thing.

That's like (insert big name football player here) saying that football sucks and the rules are a joke... and then expecting a big paycheck.

Things like what Kyle has said would drive fans away from the sport.. which (regardless of what he thinks) doesnt revolve around him. If he has such a problem keeping his mouth shut in order to help maintain the sports popularity then maybe he should go do something else. The sport would go on.

Him talking bad about the sport may convince people who otherwise would have no issue to take a stance based on what their driver thinks. The drivers should want to see the sport succeed and have to know their words are taken further than a simple statement. Now people who havent even seen the racing under the new rules already have a reason not to like it and that is completely ridiculous in my opinion.
 
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NASCAR wants to be like Disneyland

very controlled staged environment led by behind-the-scenes leaders and minion crew

while being fronted by ridiculous characters

trying to direct the fantasy narrative...
 
SlicedBread22 said:
While I dont think it's right that NASCAR controls what can and cannot be said about the sport.. (I'm going to single ok ur KyBu here.. sorry Rev) I think its worse when you have drivers talking bad about the sport.. apparently Kyle doesnt want to see the sport succeed.. hes known to talk bad about the cars or the package.. basically convincing people not to watch.. if a casual or newly interested fan just coming into the sport hears Kyle say the cars suck or it takes no talent.. why would they continue to watch when you have one of the biggest names in the sport advocating against it. Its complete nonsense and if I was in charge of the sanctioning body I would do the same thing.

That's like (insert big name football player here) saying that football sucks and the rules are a joke... and then expecting a big paycheck.

Things like what Kyle has said would drive fans away from the sport.. which (regardless of what he thinks) doesnt revolve around him. If he has such a problem keeping his mouth shut in order to help maintain the sports popularity then maybe he should go do something else. The sport would go on.

Him talking bad about the sport may convince people who otherwise would have no issue to take a stance based on what their driver thinks. The drivers should want to see the sport succeed and have to know their words are taken further than a simple statement.
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I don't think that convinces anyone not to watch imo. If anything, it's refreshing, because they're telling it how it is.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
While I dont think it's right that NASCAR controls what can and cannot be said about the sport.. (I'm going to single ok ur KyBu here.. sorry Rev) I think its worse when you have drivers talking bad about the sport.. apparently Kyle doesnt want to see the sport succeed.. hes known to talk bad about the cars or the package.. basically convincing people not to watch.. if a casual or newly interested fan just coming into the sport hears Kyle say the cars suck or it takes no talent.. why would they continue to watch when you have one of the biggest names in the sport advocating against it. Its complete nonsense and if I was in charge of the sanctioning body I would do the same thing.

That's like (insert big name football player here) saying that football sucks and the rules are a joke... and then expecting a big paycheck.

Things like what Kyle has said would drive fans away from the sport.. which (regardless of what he thinks) doesnt revolve around him. If he has such a problem keeping his mouth shut in order to help maintain the sports popularity then maybe he should go do something else. The sport would go on.
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So, you would prefer that he bull****s you when asked a question?
Why would Kyle want the sport to fail?
Are fans more interested when the drivers all say the same thing?
Do you feel that fans are turned off when they perceive that the drivers are simply holding the party line to pay for their mansions?
Do you feel that Kyle Larson hurt the sport when he openly expressed his love affair with dirt, and Cup was a means to that end?
Do you fee that it is time to quit talking about "....the sport will go on..." narrative as there is growing concern that it won't?


You prefaced your post with ".....I don't think it's right that NASCAR controls what can and cannot be said about the sport..." and finished with several reasons why it should. I don't think that Kyle wants the sport to fail, or intends to turn fans off. I think Kyle Busch (many times to a fault) cannot help but be honest when asked a question. Some of us admire that in this kiss ass world we find ourselves in.
 
Revman said:
So, you would prefer that he bull****s you when asked a question?
Why would Kyle want the sport to fail?
Are fans more interested when the drivers all say the same thing?
Do you feel that fans are turned off when they perceive that the drivers are simply holding the party line to pay for their mansions?
Do you feel that Kyle Larson hurt the sport when he openly expressed his love affair with dirt, and Cup was a means to that end?
Do you fee that it is time to quit talking about "....the sport will go on..." narrative as there is growing concern that it won't?
In regard to a sanctioning body controlling the narrative....What are your thoughts on Colin Kaepernick? His was not a positive for the NFL financially. Would you have preferred for him to keep his mouth shut?

You prefaced your post with ".....I don't think it's right that NASCAR controls what can and cannot be said about the sport..." and finished with several reasons why it should. I don't think that Kyle wants the sport to fail, or intends to turn fans off. I think Kyle Busch (many times to a fault) cannot help but be honest when asked a question. Some of us admire that in this kiss ass world we find ourselves in.
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I didnt intend for it to come across as me agreeing NASCAR should control the narrative. I just think it's stupid for people who are in the sport to portray a negative image of it. I guarantee there are plenty of impressionable people who already hate a racing package they havent seen based on what Kyle said and that just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
 
I'm trying to look at it from the point of view of a new fan. It's different when viewed by people like us. It can be refreshing.. but I think a new fan coming in and seeing that sort of talk may decide that NASCAR is not for them... I'm picturing a "If the drivers dont even like the cars it cant be that good" sort of reaction. I could be wrong.. I just dont think it's good for the sport.

Hopefully the racing eliminates that possibility. I'm excited about this season, I loved the all star race and I think the new package will be a success and I'm looking forward to seeing it on track.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
I didnt intend for it to come across as me agreeing NASCAR should control the narrative. I just think it's stupid for people who are in the sport to portray a negative image of it. I guarantee there are plenty of impressionable people who already hate a racing package they havent seen based on what Kyle said and that just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
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I hear you man, and those questions I asked are not intended to be inflammatory. However, those are the questions that need to be answered if anybody wants to be critical of what Kyle says. I am more concerned now than ever because I believe that NASCAR is trying to force the narrative given Probst's comments, and this stuff coming from Noble. This feels really, really desperate, and that desperation is coming from a very bad place. The solution is not to shut up those who tell the truth, the solution lives in fixing the perception of the product. That doesn't necessarily mean to change what is happening on the track. It means to change how the sport is promoted IMO. We place all of our eggs in the great racing basket, and nobody knows what the hell that is. Because we cannot define what we want to see on track, we change our focus to the drivers. Well, when we do that, should we not have anticipated that they might actually expressed themselves differently? Hell yes. Now that we realize that they do, when then threaten them to produce a single perception? Optics are not good here.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
I'm trying to look at it from the point of view of a new fan. It's different when viewed by people like us. It can be refreshing.. but I think a new fan coming in and seeing that sort of talk may decide that NASCAR is not for them... I'm picturing a "If the drivers dont even like the cars it cant be that good" sort of reaction. I could be wrong.. I just dont think it's good for the sport.

Hopefully the racing eliminates that possibility. I'm excited about this season, I loved the all star race and I think the new package will be a success and I'm looking forward to seeing it on track.
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Equally, a new fan might find this guy who speaks his mind interesting in a world that won't allow it. They might tune in to see if they agree or disagree. Fact is....If the new package is awesome, it will speak for itself, new fans will come, and Kyle will be wrong.
 
Revman said:
I hear you man, and those questions I asked are not intended to be inflammatory. However, those are the questions that need to be answered if anybody wants to be critical of what Kyle says. I am more concerned now than ever because I believe that NASCAR is trying to force the narrative given Probst's comments, and this stuff coming from Noble. This feels really, really desperate, and that desperation is coming from a very bad place. The solution is not to shut up those who tell the truth, the solution lives in fixing the perception of the product. That doesn't necessarily mean to change what is happening on the track. It means to change how the sport is promoted IMO. We place all of our eggs in the great racing basket, and nobody knows what the hell that is. Because we cannot define what we want to see on track, we change our focus to the drivers. Well, when we do that, should we not have anticipated that they might actually expressed themselves differently? Hell yes. Now that we realize that they do, when then threaten them to produce a single perception? Optics are not good here.
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That's where my problem lies. I dont hate that Kyle said it.. but when it comes to perception of the sport from the point of view of a new fan that sort of talk is not good. I hope they can figure out what they need to in order to change the way people look at NASCAR.. Phelps said that is a goal of theirs and hopefully it works out.

I cant stand the "oh look another left turn!" type people.. but if one of them decided to give it a go and caught an interview where a champion of the sport says it requires no skill.. why would they think differently than "it's just a bunch of cars turning left."
 
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