so why did nascar seem cooler in the 80's? broadcast was way better!!

Discussion in 'NASCAR chat' started by hidesert cowboy, Mar 7, 2019.

  1. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    What I liked about the older broadcasts was the dead air they had. The announcers would comment on the race and then let you watch it play out. These days even MRN radio has three announcers that never stop talking.
  2. SpeedPagan

    SpeedPagan The iRacing Guru

    How come when people talk about the "good ol' days," they always link to a video from a Daytona or Talladega race?
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  3. hidesert cowboy

    hidesert cowboy Team Owner

    let me see if I can find more, perhaps those are the easiest ones found. I see that ken squier made the hall of fame last year. certainly deserves to be there.
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  4. Old 97

    Old 97 Team Owner

    I never really had a problem listening on the radio. I actually enjoyed cutting the grass and listening to the broadcast.
    Then I got SiriusXM.....
    Then I heard Bagley"s AWFUL fake laugh at everything that isn't funny...…...
    Then I heard Moody talk down to every caller and call their opinions stupid(until NASCAR implements those exact same ideas)
    The personalities I didn't know before have made it worse for me.
  5. KodiakRusty89

    KodiakRusty89 Team Owner

    look up Smiff TV on youtube! There's basically every race from 1987 onward on youtube!!
  6. KodiakRusty89

    KodiakRusty89 Team Owner

    Trust me, there's plenty more! But the video quality varies depending on who was broadcasting the race back then. Those old TBS broadcasts were cringe worthy. Pocono had a pay per view stretch. Even the very early TNN broadcasts were less than refined. For whatever reason CBS and ESPN really put their best foot forward at Daytona (when ESPN covered the 400 flag-to-flag) and 'Dega. I think the same could be said for Michigan. CBS made Michigan seem like one of the "majors" and the Irish Hills truly were filled with racing gold.
  7. pjmolo

    pjmolo Director of driver attitude adjustments . . .


    Also, the use of a multitude of cameras that results in what we're seeing jump from one close-up camera shot to another tends to make me lose track of where the cars are on the track.

    As TV coverage was back in the day, I much prefer the use of just a few wide angle camera shots that follow the cars around the track, thereby recreating the "more better" view one gets when attending a race.
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  8. joe h

    joe h Team Owner

    We went from zoomed out, 3 go to cameras, sparely used in car shots during the 4:3 480i era of broadcasting, and they somehow made it worse. There are more pixels and a wide screen, and everyone has at least a 50 incher in their living rooms, you can easily fit 10 cars on the screen and still be able to read sponsors. They need to cut this sh!t out with screen clutter, 2.3 second quick cuts, in/on car, and shots so zoomed in, I can barely tell if the cars are moving.
  9. DUN24

    DUN24 Skeptical of the Spectacle

    Oh my God yes. Last Saturday I found myself SCREAMING at Ralph and Ricky for missing a huge pass for the lead while they were hung up on a mid-pack replay. I was wondering why I was yelling and their producer wasn't...
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  10. 2 Sweet

    2 Sweet Legend

    Nostalgic bias is a lame retort for those who don't remember just how much better it was "back in the day"

    Just my opinion, but the broadcasts were 100x better. Ken Squier was the Pat Summerall or Keith Jackson of racing. When you heard him on the call, you felt the race had that "big time" feel to it. ESPN in the 90's with Bob, Benny and Ned was as good as it gets. Nothing today compares to how great the broadcasts were in that time period. YMMV.
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  11. dpkimmel2001

    dpkimmel2001 Team Owner

    Dead air on the radio wouldn't do much for conveying the action though. Personally, I prefer MRN/PRN over television. Theater of the mind goes a long way into turning an otherwise dull race into something that is more exciting. I'm not a huge fan of many of the radio personalities but they do bring us the action much better than anything that's ever been brought to us on television, especially in those tight shots. The radio announcers are stationed all around the track bringing us an immediate response to on track action. The television booth is pretty much limited in only commenting on what we are already focused on. What some guy/gal in a truck, somewhere on property, thinks we want to see.

    If I'm at the track, my scanner is playing the MRN/PRN radio audio feed. I'm watching what I want to watch in a race and instantly alerted to action that may not be in my focus at the moment. Television will never do this sport justice. Radio comes much closer, but a ticket makes all the difference.
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  12. Johali

    Johali Team Owner Contributor

  13. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    I enjoyed reading this thread. It does seem as though the older fans ( and some new ones who watched YouTube) are in agreement that the race coverage in the past was much more enjoyable
    and that the larger view of the races (little to none zero in ) are preferred. I am in agreement.
    To bad this thread can't be copied and sent to Nascar, NBC and Fox.
    The millions of dollars spent changing cars were/are unnecessary if TV producers didn't have control of the show.
  14. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    The individual broadcasts may have been better but there sure was less coverage.

    No practice, no qualifying, no Busch series, no weekly recap coverage, no pre- or post-race, half the race tape-delayed and edited for time if they were covered at all. "The good ol' days."
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  15. Rafe hollister

    Rafe hollister Team Owner

  16. Rafe hollister

    Rafe hollister Team Owner

    For some reason Ken Squire couldn’t tell Darrell Earnhardt from Dale Waldrip.
  17. dpkimmel2001

    dpkimmel2001 Team Owner

    Sometimes less is more. We've all got our thoughts on this and heck, none us are wrong. For many of us, yes, those were the good ol' days indeed. No need to pretend like we are rewriting history here. That's simply not the case.
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  18. Joker

    Joker #1 Harvick Fan

    As someone born in the late 90s, I feel so cheated reading this thread...
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  19. Johali

    Johali Team Owner Contributor

    Don't worry, If you make it to my age you'll be saying "why I remember having to physically drive a vehicle and it had wheels that actually touched the ground". :booya:
  20. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    Maybe less is better? Seems to me when the fans were left wanting the sport exploded.
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  21. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    Stick shift, no power anything other than the antenna. :D
  22. Larsonfan1995

    Larsonfan1995 Team Owner

    That is the key to any entertainment. Leave fans wanting more. If you overdo it to where they get bored, they won't be as likely to come back again and again.
  23. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    One thing I really liked back in the 80’s-90’s was living in the central time zone and having some races start at 11:00 am. Also it wasn’t uncommon for the cars to be on the parade laps when the broadcast signed or very soon after and then the race started. Nowadays you have to check to see when the green flag is supposed to drop and add 5 minutes or so before there is actual racing.

    As far as some of the talk about less being more goes I certainly agree. It is not good when you have an oversupply of product and you are scrambling for buyers. When you don’t have to make up your mind until 5 minutes before a race starts to buy a ticket (for most tracks) you have a huge problem. There is no need to plan or commit to anything as it is not necessary.
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  24. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    wasn't a HUGE problem in the late 90's or early 2000's I did it all the time. I usually bought from people selling tickets cheaper in front of the ticket window. Plenty of places to sit and I would sit all over the place. Nice.
  25. be9ak7ts16

    be9ak7ts16 Hick


    IMHO it doesn’t get any better than this.
  26. sdj

    sdj Just a race fan

    If it was not for the DVR, I would miss 95% of the races. Just sayin.
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  27. LewTheShoe

    LewTheShoe Team Owner

    It's just my personal opinion, but I'm thankful that there is still a sport that includes our national anthem as the opening sequence of the telecast. I applaud Nascar's decision to require the TV networks to respect that pre-race tradition. Those who can't be bothered by "The Star Spangled Banner" and the command to start engines should tune in a few minutes late, or fast forward the DVR, or just go watch something else..:salute:
  28. gone

    gone Team Owner

    One of the reasons that TV coverage of NASCAR got so much better in the 1980s was that R.J. Reynolds Tobacco (Winston cigarettes) put a lot of effort and money into it, as a loophole to get their logo on TV (after their advertising ban). Reynolds owned 20% of ESPN, so it was able to negotiate a pretty good coverage package for NASCAR on ESPN. When Reynolds' C-level executives failed in their stock market money grab, new owner KKR sold off the ESPN stake as part of looting Reynolds to recover its money (1989) and ESPN phased out coverage while the France family auctioned off TV rights...

    After Winston (Reynolds) left, series sponsors have not matched the money and promotional effort Reynolds put in... TV coverage has become much more focused upon advertisement revenue... and here we are now.
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  29. ToyYoda

    ToyYoda Team Owner

    I think most of the BGN races were telecast live back then, most of them on TNN I believe. However, I didn’t start following NASCAR until around ‘88 or so, so that may not have been the case earlier in the decade.
  30. hidesert cowboy

    hidesert cowboy Team Owner

    From one patriot to another I am glad I am not the only one that feels that way, thank you, sir
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  31. jaqua19

    jaqua19 Team Owner

    No way. That kind of broadcast is too old school.

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  32. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    It isn’t the 5 minute anthem that is the problem but the other 15 minutes they horse around doing nothing!
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  33. KTMLew01

    KTMLew01 Team Owner

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  34. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    Yep. Start the broadcast with the prayer and anthem with the drivers already in the cars. Start engines immediately after, before the first commercial break. They can be green ten minutes into the broadcast.
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  35. TG5611

    TG5611 Crew Chief

    And whats with that huge black lap counter/scoreboard on the left that takes up 1/4 of my big screen. Is that really necessary?
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  36. dpkimmel2001

    dpkimmel2001 Team Owner

    Try not to make it too hard on yourselves. @Johali posts the green flag time each and every week in the first post of the pre race thread. It's not hard to ignore the pre race festivities if you're inclined to do so

    Me, I'm alright with all the time leading up to the race. It's all part of the event to me.
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  37. FLRacingFan

    FLRacingFan Team Owner

    Good example of a totally worthless shot.

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  38. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    Must be something with how your screen is set up. I don't get to see any of the ticker tape except the second behind and I am talking the 2 numbers right of the decimal point. Doesn't show driver at all. :mad:
  39. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    Actually it is 15 minutes after posted race time. Next week race is at 3:30 E time, race will start 3:45 eastern.
  40. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    I don’t think anyone is making it hard on themselves more than they are just expressing a personal preference. My preference is to get the action going immediately after sign on like the NFL does. I understand that some people like additional ancillary programming prior to the start of the race and I am fine with that preference.
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