Spec engine coming to the Trucks

You know a spec motor is coming to cup and it is just a matter of when.
 
2 Sweet said:
Does this mean they will also switch to a generic/common body?
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It doesn't look that way now.
Composite Bodies
Does NASCAR have plans of running a partial schedule of composite bodies in the MENCS in 2018?
Scott Miller told Sirius XM NASCAR Radio, “Well, we haven’t really gotten that far with the plan for Monster Energy Cup or the Truck Series.”
“Basically, we are looking at the project. Obviously, trying to learn. You know, the first time you do something you’re going to learn for doing it the second time. If the second time should happen. ”

“It’s really a project that most all of the Xfinity teams have thought it’s a good idea. Anything new, you’re going to have to work through. Long term, I think everybody really supports the program and kind of the ease of use. You know, repairs are easier. A lot of positives from it.”

“We’ll learn and assess where we’re going next. If we’re going anywhere next.”


Spec Engine
There’s a test coming up. The NASCAR Camping World Truck Series will be testing out a spec engine. It’s a drastic cost cutting measure to help out the smaller NASCAR team.
Miller talks about the new NASCAR spec engine project, “That’s something that we’ve worked on. It’s us kind of answering the call for a lot of the teams that are struggling from a cost perspective in the Truck Series.”

“We think that it gives a legitimate, competitive option for the teams, at a really good price point.”

“The initial testing with the engine was positive. So, looking forward to this one and working out the details. Not unlike the flange fit bodies. Another thing we’re trying to be proactive on and help the team.”
https://racingnews.co/2017/08/21/nascar-spec-engine-composite-bodies/
 
Simple Fan said:
I don't like the spec engines and although it might save money it makes no sense if NASCAR is trying to get other manufacturers on board.
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I disagree with that as I think the spec engine, especially when it comes to cup, will be very helpful in getting new manufacturers to test the waters as they could get in and out of the series with a relatively small capital outlay. I think there may be some initial resistance but in the long run it could make the racing more competitive.
 
aunty dive said:
I wonder if the branded valve covers will be as unpopular as the headlight stickers?
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Simple Fan said:
I don't like the spec engines and although it might save money it makes no sense if NASCAR is trying to get other manufacturers on board.
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I don't think casual fans would even know or care, odds are only people that follow NASCAR as closely as those of us on here would even know about it unless it makes major news which isn't likely.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
I disagree with that as I think the spec engine, especially when it comes to cup, will be very helpful in getting new manufacturers to test the waters as they could get in and out of the series with a relatively small capital outlay. I think there may be some initial resistance but in the long run it could make the racing more competitive.
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Why would a manufacturer want to get involved if they can't supply engines and bodies? Whats the point? Just feel like this will run off the current manufacture's until its a completely spec series.
 
Simple Fan said:
Why would a manufacturer want to get involved if they can't supply engines and bodies? Whats the point? Just feel like this will run off the current manufacture's until its a completely spec series.
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Occasionally we agree. The power train is about the only thing left in the car that the manufacturer can credibly hang its name on. Where's the 'Sell on Monday' benefit when they're all the same?

I have no objection to a spec series, but it that's what NASCAR wants then put the hammer down, go 100%, and get it over with.
 
Simple Fan said:
Why would a manufacturer want to get involved if they can't supply engines and bodies? Whats the point? Just feel like this will run off the current manufacture's until its a completely spec series.
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I completely understand your points but I think the newer fans won't worry so much about the running gear or the brand of car more than the driver and the experience you get from being a part of the series. It is all foreign to me too but I think it is a change that will happen.
 
I'm not in favor of spec motors. It waters down the sport, IMO. And I feel the same about spec chassis and spec bodies. Cup racing is not IROC, thankfully.

Engines, chassis, and bodies are all designed and built within a tight box defined by the rules, but they all have certain differences. Going "pure spec" on any of these areas would be a big mistake, I believe. A Hendrick Chevy has a Hendrick built chassis and a Chevrolet/Hendrick motor. A Penske Ford has a Penske chassis and a Ford/Yates engine. The competition would not be the same, and would not feel the same, if both used a Nascar spec chassis and an Ilmor spec engine.
 
LewTheShoe said:
I'm not in favor of spec motors. It waters down the sport, IMO. And I feel the same about spec chassis and spec bodies. Cup racing is not IROC, thankfully.

Engines, chassis, and bodies are all designed and built within a tight box defined by the rules, but they all have certain differences. Going "pure spec" on any of these areas would be a big mistake, I believe. A Hendrick Chevy has a Hendrick built chassis and a Chevrolet/Hendrick motor. A Penske Ford has a Penske chassis and a Ford/Yates engine. The competition would not be the same, and would not feel the same, if both used a Nascar spec chassis and an Ilmor spec engine.
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Spec engines and other spec parts are inevitable for a multitude of reasons. While it is not something I am in favor of I am pragmatic enough to know that it is a necessary step and a far less harmful one than many of the other things Nascar has done. You will still watch when spec engines are being run and so will others as the remaining fans are diehards and won't be run off by something like this.
 
It isn't that important in the truck series. saving as much as a half a million in motor costs are. I don't want to see the trucks disappear or become a single brand IROC series. I want the youngsters to have something to race in. There are only 34 trucks entered for Martinsville?
 
FLRacingFan said:
OEMs would never agree to spec engines at the Cup level. Probably Xfinity too. They don't seem to care about Truck (besides Toyota) so that's why it can be implemented there.
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I think that there has to be a way to get it done whether another name is used or something that will allow the OEM's to save face and keep spending.
 
StandOnIt said:
It isn't that important in the truck series. saving as much as a half a million in motor costs are. I don't want to see the trucks disappear or become a single brand IROC series. I want the youngsters to have something to race in. There are only 34 trucks entered for Martinsville?
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Correct me if I'm wrong again, but I thought the trucks only ran a 32-truck field. 34 would mean two are going home; that's more than will fail to make the Cup race. Hell, that's more than failed to make the Kansas and M'ville Cup races combined.
 
StandOnIt said:
It isn't that important in the truck series. saving as much as a half a million in motor costs are. I don't want to see the trucks disappear or become a single brand IROC series. I want the youngsters to have something to race in. There are only 34 trucks entered for Martinsville?
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I think the buzz word we will begin hearing is quality over quantity as it is possible some cup events will max out at 34 cars next year and continue to drop as the money is not available any longer.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Correct me if I'm wrong again, but I thought the trucks only ran a 32-truck field. 34 would mean two are going home; that's more than will fail to make the Cup race. Hell, that's more than failed to make the Kansas and M'ville Cup races combined.
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Yeah the smaller tracks for the most part, Bristol and Martinsville and Eldora usually draw an over full entry field . That is because it is a more competitive track situation. I think more would show up with reduced costs involved. More would try to run part or full time
 
Revman said:
The ripple effect of this will be interesting. I believe that Toyota will pull out of Trucks sooner rather than later if all of this happens as suggested. Honestly, I can't imagine them staying next year as NASCAR ensures that the manufacturer based teams (errr, Toyota) get their asses kicked by the spec motor. Once Toyota leaves, what will that mean for KBM? Clearly, Toyota has done for Kyle what Ford wouldn't for Brad, but what now? If/when KBM shuts down, what will that mean for Kyle's relationship with Toyota? Further, if Toyota pulls out, what does that mean for its Driver Development Program? I don't like this. I don't like any of this.
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Does Toyota supply KBM with engines for the truck series?? They don't supply the engines for JGR in the Xfinity series, why would they care about trucks?
 
Team Penske said:
Does Toyota supply KBM with engines for the truck series?? They don't supply the engines for JGR in the Xfinity series, why would they care about trucks?
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TRD works with the builders in Trucks and Xfinity. They are the builder in Cup. You go spec, you shut that down. It's a big deal.
 
Revman said:
Good-bye Toyota. Definitely would make a few around here pretty happy.
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Like @FLRacingFan said the current manufacturers may draw a line and say it can't happen in cup but I think it will have to be an option eventually. My opinion is that Nascar will need to have a mechanism to get teams and manufacturers into the series quickly and relatively inexpensively as I can't see Kia or VW going to the bother of designing a V8 engine with its roots in the 50's.

It is a shame that some people cling to prejudice and fear with respect to Toyota as they build a good product and employ a lot of Americans.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
Like @FLRacingFan said the current manufacturers may draw a line and say it can't happen in cup but I think it will have to be an option eventually. My opinion is that Nascar will need to have a mechanism to get teams and manufacturers into the series quickly and relatively inexpensively as I can't see Kia or VW going to the bother of designing a V8 engine with its roots in the 50's.

It is a shame that some people cling to prejudice and fear with respect to Toyota as they build a good product and employ a lot of Americans.
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Imagine Toyota's frustration for an "easy entry" when they spend a lot of time and money proving their long term commitment in Trucks, and then Xfinity and Cup?....and now a manufacturer gets and easy in? I might just give the sanctioning the body the finger too....
 
Simple Fan said:
Why would a manufacturer want to get involved if they can't supply engines and bodies? Whats the point? Just feel like this will run off the current manufacture's until its a completely spec series.
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It would make it easier for another manufacturer to get involved in the truck series specifically if they didn't have to build, design an engine from scratch that would never see the light of day in a domestic version. Building the body and frame is child's play
 
Revman said:
Imagine Toyota's frustration for an "easy entry" when they spend a lot of time and money proving their long term commitment in Trucks, and then Xfinity and Cup?....and now a manufacturer gets and easy in? I might just give the sanctioning the body the finger too....
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I know what you mean as Toyota has worked hard and smart and within the rules to get an advantage today and there are people that want to take it away from them and give it to the others. Not cool if you are the one working hard and smart and spending money.
 
StandOnIt said:
It would make it easier for another manufacturer to get involved in the truck series specifically if they didn't have to build, design an engine from scratch that would never see the light of day in a domestic version. Building the body and frame is child's play
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Why the hell would they want to come?
 
Simple Fan said:
Why would a manufacturer want to get involved if they can't supply engines and bodies? Whats the point? Just feel like this will run off the current manufacture's until its a completely spec series.
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Without having to have an engine department, Dodge or maybe the other Japanese manufacturer Nissan might become involved. Having five brands racing would be good for the sport.
 
StandOnIt said:
Without having to have an engine department, Dodge or maybe the other Japanese manufacturer Nissan might become involved. Having five brands racing would be good for the sport.
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All running IROC cars with different decals...... we are so close to that now..... the engines are the last bastion of what little separation we have...... well except for the Toyota nose....... LOL.........
 
kymartin6 said:
All running IROC cars with different decals...... we are so close to that now..... the engines are the last bastion of what little separation we have...... well except for the Toyota nose....... LOL.........
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I can see well enough to tell the three brands of trucks from a distance. :idunno:
 
Simple Fan said:
Why would a manufacturer want to get involved if they can't supply engines and bodies? Whats the point? Just feel like this will run off the current manufacture's until its a completely spec series.
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I hate to burst your bubble but manufactures supply very little of a car today. For engines they may have been involved with the design but once the engine is approved they are mostly out of the picture. Ford engines are build by Roush/Yates, Gm are built by HMS and RCR. The Toyota are different in that TDR supplies the Cup engines and JGR supplies engines for Xfinity.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Occasionally we agree. The power train is about the only thing left in the car that the manufacturer can credibly hang its name on. Where's the 'Sell on Monday' benefit when they're all the same?

I have no objection to a spec series, but it that's what NASCAR wants then put the hammer down, go 100%, and get it over with.
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Beg to differ Charlie but other than TDR supplying engines, what other parts are supplied by any manufacturer???
 
Team Penske said:
Beg to differ Charlie but other than TDR supplying engines, what other parts are supplied by any manufacturer???
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I concede the point. I sometimes forget the Roush-Yates and Hendrick engine builders are competely separate entities from their associated manufacturers.
 
Johnny Sauter to test new spec Truck engine at Martinsville
NASCAR Truck Series champion Johnny Sauter will return to Martinsville Speedway on November 6 to test the new crate engine.

Sauter has tested the “Delta” engine three times this season—most recently tested the engine two weeks ago Talladega Superspeedway following the truck race and Monster Energy Cup Series qualifying.

During the test, Sauter posted speeds that topped the pole-winning time for the Talladega truck race.

“I thought it was good,” Sauter said. “I’ve tested the motor twice now. I tested it twice at Darlington over the summer. It had good speed. Coming here will be the real indicator — at a place that’s hard on brakes and we’re running a lot less rpm’s. But so far, we haven’t had any problems and it’s ran good so I feel good about it.”

https://www.motorsport.com/nascar-t...r-test-spec-truck-engine-martinsville-971911/
 
Team Penske said:
Beg to differ Charlie but other than TDR supplying engines, what other parts are supplied by any manufacturer???
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They all supply engine blocks, cylinder head castings, hoods, front fascia and rear bumper covers. Each of those things has a manufacturer’s part number. None of them is “manufactured” by the manufacturer.
 
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