Stop with the fake debris cautions, NASCAR!

Captain Coyfish said:
My 2 cents:

Unlike what many of y'all think, I think the 3 fake debris cautions were in fact fake. I'd say maybe one max was legit. Notice how they throw them in long green flag runs.
My opinion on fake debris caution is that if they impact the race then shame on nascar; however if it is a long green flag run and there are only 10 cars on the lead lap then by all means throw it.
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So every yellow after a long green run is a fake? What cautions don't impact the race?
 
PeopleAreStrange said:
Because NASCAR does this every single race. If the field gets spread out after a long green flag run, they'll throw a debris caution to bring the field back together when there's no debris most of the time. Debris cautions after short green flag runs are rare (only when there is actual debris - then it is shown on TV).

I would love to listen to NASCAR race control radio during a race sometime and listen to what they're saying when they throw a debris caution.

As far as drivers not complaining about debris cautions, when the debris caution came out at Dover last year costing Jeff the win (if everyone had pitted under green, he would have cycled through as the leader), Jeff complained about there not being any debris.

Not sure where your getting the idea that I'm trying to be hip...

FOX (or any network) can't show us the debris if the debris doesn't exist.
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I'm not sure where you get the idea I think you're trying to be hip. I asked a question, nothing more or less.

The frequencies for NASCAR race control are 461.200, 464.600, and 451.225. People at the track listen to them all the time; I do on occasion. Of course, knowing those won't keep conspiracy theorists from declaring NASCAR must be using Navajo code words on another double-top-secret frequency.

So you don't KNOW the caution was fake. FOX can't show it if it doesn't exist, but just because they don't show it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You have no proof, only assumptions.

Do you think television networks would pay that kind of money if they thought something was askew?
 
StandOnIt said:
note to angry race fan:
If you will remember, Jeff was whining about his splitter hitting the track while he was running mid pack. He should know by now (we do) that when the field was a spread out like it was, Nascar is going to throw a caution. But Jeff bitched and moaned and by blaming the car and the crew, was able to pit early and he screwed his own self. If you noticed, twice right before in race pit stops, they threw a caution because the first place car..whichever car it was, Kenseth, Kahne or Kyle was over 7 seconds ahead of the pack and had lapped at least ten cars in the field. Hate to bad mouth your driver, but he knows better than that. Many cars that finished in the top ten ran most of the race in the teens or upper 20th positions, but they took advantages of the bull cautions that Nascar throws and the wrecks they cause. That is Nascar racing. Another thing, how often do you see Jeff running around the track with a damaged car after a wreck. Nope he is in front of the camera talking about being out of the race with a "great car" and talking about his sponsors. Kenseth on the other hand, patched up his car, montoya, Jamie etc. did also and made the best of it. Kenseth ran it up to 15 place, 18th and 19th for the other two and made a race out of it.
Jeff has become what I call a wheel holder. Top flite equipment and team, participates, but does not risk anything to win, places well, but the car is always great...but a little off..nope it is the driver that is a little off not the car, and their idea of success is to get into the chase so they can continue to get camera time, get the check..and they are going to do a little better next year because they were "a little off" this year
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You're pretty good at badmouthing drivers even though you hate it. The car was destroyed. Your wheel holder theory is horse****. I do agree with you as far as bad/good luck during the general flow of a race but c'mon.. 4 time champ, top flight ride, wheel holder, and camera whore? Yeah ok.
 
I could see this getting nasty so I will back out now but I really do belive a lot of those are fake. And that's the end of it for me...
 
sloggie said:
I think folks are missing the fact that Debris cautions are unnecessary in the first place. The safety concerns are overblown.
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yeah, like I said before, I don't remember "debris cautions" in any other form of motorsports, there might have been some, but I don't remember any. It is pretty much a Nascar deal.
 
how often does that happen? those are cleaned up after the wreck..usually from a restart after a bogus caution...remember cautions breed cautions..nope cautions breed restarts, restarts breed wrecks.
 
Smoke14 said:
Really?

You are OK with cars running 200 MPH with small pieces of brake rotor laying on the track???
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If the man believes that running over a piece of metal at 200mph isn't dangerous , why reply ?
 
I don't think the man said that ol fisherman Ted, I believe he said they were overblown..
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StandOnIt said:
I don't think the man said that ol fisherman Ted, I believe he said they were overblown..
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How does safety get overblown . Not enough accidents lately?
 
ted@economy said:
How does safety get overblown . Not enough accidents lately?
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You are asking the wrong question. I think the right question is "Do all these debris cautions really add to safety?" In my opinion, most of them don't. A brake pad on the apron poses about Zero risk, yet NASCAR will throw a caution for it.

Effectively, NASCAR hides behind the "safety" excuse to bunch the field up.
 
StandOnIt said:
how often does that happen? those are cleaned up after the wreck..usually from a restart after a bogus caution...remember cautions breed cautions..nope cautions breed restarts, restarts breed wrecks.
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Do you realize how you have contradicted yourself with this statement.
 
sloggie said:
You are asking the wrong question. I think the right question is "Do all these debris cautions really add to safety?" In my opinion, most of them don't. A brake pad on the apron poses about Zero risk, yet NASCAR will throw a caution for it.

Effectively, NASCAR hides behind the "safety" excuse to bunch the field up.
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I'm out , this conversation needs to go to a bizzaro world thread .:windows:
 
Charlie Spencer said:
I agree, but there are sections of track with no camera coverage. For example, there was no angle on Montoya hitting the jet dryer. Some people assume that because the specific piece of debris wasn't shown on TV, then it didn't exist and the caution was 'fake'.
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I believe the lack of clear footage of Montoya's wreck was because it occurred during a time when both the field was under caution and FOX was on a commercial break. Once the broadcast came back on they obviously had several angles of the aftermath.

FOX has cameras all over each and every track they broadcast from. Once they're notified by Race Control they should easily be able to pan over to the area where the debris is so the audience can see it.
 
yeah that is on the other end of the scale, and when F1 does bunch up the field, it is a single file rolling start.
 
sloggie said:
You are asking the wrong question. I think the right question is "Do all these debris cautions really add to safety?" In my opinion, most of them don't. A brake pad on the apron poses about Zero risk, yet NASCAR will throw a caution for it.

Effectively, NASCAR hides behind the "safety" excuse to bunch the field up.
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Really? It probably wouldn't take much for a car to get down there and hit it, knocking it onto the track, and hit by someone else. Ask Felipe Massa about fairly small, seemingly harmless car parts and how much damage they can do.
 
VaDirt said:
Really? It probably wouldn't take much for a car to get down there and hit it, knocking it onto the track, and hit by someone else. Ask Felipe Massa about fairly small, seemingly harmless car parts and how much damage they can do.
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Massa was hit in the helmet because F1 has open ****pits. NASCAR doesn't have this problem.
 
sloggie said:
Massa was hit in the helmet because F1 has open ****pits. NASCAR doesn't have this problem.
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So in other words, let's throw safety out the window because you think a brake pad can't hurt anyone because of the closed ****pit? Quite frankly, I'd rather see a caution over a brake pad sitting somewhere where a car can send it flying (perhaps even into the stands) that see some hurt by said brake pad.
 
VaDirt said:
So in other words, let's throw safety out the window because you think a brake pad can't hurt anyone because of the closed ****pit? Quite frankly, I'd rather see a caution over a brake pad sitting somewhere where a car can send it flying (perhaps even into the stands) that see some hurt by said brake pad.
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Debris flying in the stands is a pretty routine thing for NASCAR and they don't do anything about it.
 
sloggie said:
Debris flying in the stands is a pretty routine thing for NASCAR and they don't do anything about it.
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Ummm......you do realize that many of these cautions that you hate so much are "doing something about it." Oh, but you don't like it at all, and they're "doing nothing about it" so they should just stop this practice too.
 
hhhmmm...... wonder what debris rules tha nascar insurance underwritin folks require ??
 
VaDirt said:
Ummm......you do realize that many of these cautions that you hate so much are "doing something about it." Oh, but you don't like it at all, and they're "doing nothing about it" so they should just stop this practice too.
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No, that's just safety theater. The amount of stuff that flies into the stands at Daytona dwarfs any gains in safety from throwing endless debris cautions.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
I'm not sure where you get the idea I think you're trying to be hip. I asked a question, nothing more or less.

The frequencies for NASCAR race control are 461.200, 464.600, and 451.225. People at the track listen to them all the time; I do on occasion. Of course, knowing those won't keep conspiracy theorists from declaring NASCAR must be using Navajo code words on another double-top-secret frequency.

So you don't KNOW the caution was fake. FOX can't show it if it doesn't exist, but just because they don't show it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You have no proof, only assumptions.

Do you think television networks would pay that kind of money if they thought something was askew?
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OK, you got me, I don't have any proof. I'm only 99% certain it was fake because most debris cautions thrown after a long green just in time for pit stops like that turn out to be fake with there being no debris.

Networks don't care if everything is legitimate or not. They know people watch NASCAR and that they can make money off of advertising.
 
PeopleAreStrange said:
OK, you got me, I don't have any proof. I'm only 99% certain it was fake because most debris cautions thrown after a long green just in time for pit stops like that turn out to be fake with there being no debris.

Networks don't care if everything is legitimate or not. They know people watch NASCAR and that they can make money off of advertising.
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But...if you're actually AT the track, you can see the service crews drive out and retrieve the "fake" debris. They're not mimes. ;)
 
KevinWI said:
Yeah. Sometimes these debris cautions can be annoying, but I refuse to buy into this tinfoil hat theory crap that they're all fake.
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You're missing the point. No one is saying that all debris cautions are bogus. There certainly are legitimate cautions thrown due to a bonifide piece of whatever that could cause safety issues on the track.

But somewhere along the way, NASCAR realized that they've got plausible denial in throwing a fabricated debris caution which, as was posted earlier, allows them to effectively hide behind the "safety" excuse to bunch the field up.

I find it interesting that those who totally discredit the fabricated debris caution argument have not addressed the curious matter of when those cautions are usually thrown, that is, when the field is spread out all over the track.

Also, you've got to admit, those restarts are pretty damn exciting.
 
BobbyFord said:
But...if you're actually AT the track, you can see the service crews drive out and retrieve the "fake" debris. They're not mimes. ;)
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but it would be highly entertaining if they were . . .
 
BobbyFord said:
But...if you're actually AT the track, you can see the service crews drive out and retrieve the "fake" debris. They're not mimes. ;)
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Everybody that goes to races on a regular basis has on occasion seen debris cautions where nothing was picked up, sometimes trucks ride around and find a hotdog wrapper or water bottle but sometimes they don't even bother to stop, but I have never seen it, the wife tells me about it when I get back from depositing some BL leftovers in the facilities.
 
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