Talladega - The return of the two car draft?

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Only a few short days away from the much beloved two-car restrictor plate draft.

What do you think? Are we going to see the same type of racing that we saw @ Daytona?
 
Only a few short days away from the much beloved two-car restrictor plate draft.

What do you think? Are we going to see the same type of racing that we saw @ Daytona?

No I don't think so, we didn't see it last fall that i recall, why should we see it this time?
 
I think we'll see it 'big time'. Just as we did @ Daytona. They were working on it @ Talladega last year although is was just a select few.
 
I don't think we will see it. Dega's surface is nearly four years old and doesn't have the grip that Daytona had this year.
 
I hope not either, I hope they don't mess with the plate sizes, and the air flow like they did at Daytona. Nascar will probably mess with things, especially if the speeds are up.
 
NASCAR has already said the plate opening will be 1/64 less than Daytone.
 
Already said they'll be using a smaller plate. The track is no where as smooth as Daytona, they might try the two car draft but I'm thinking it's not going to work.
 
I hope not. I've already lost some of my previous excitement with Talladega, and if it turns out to be another 2-car-tango mess, i'll find something else to do.
 
Already said they'll be using a smaller plate. The track is no where as smooth as Daytona, they might try the two car draft but I'm thinking it's not going to work.

They've been using the two car draft at Talladega for years but it's nowhere near as effective as it was at Daytona.

But Daytona was the first time the bumpers lined up perfectly (they had the lawnmower front end last year).
 
I just hope is dosent turn into the single-file freight train crap like it did there for a few races in a row a few years back. A fuel mileage race at Dega seriously blows.
 
It looks like some of you may want to make other plans for next Sunday.....

Some random driver quotes about the upcoming race @ Talladega.

"We'll be doing the same thing we did at Daytona," Tony Stewart said. "I guarantee you right off the bat, that's exactly what everybody is going to do as soon as they hit the racetrack – go right back into that mode."

"Talladega is a much wider race track – there's a lot more racing lines and grooves and room to race on," Jeff Gordon said. "We should be able to do the two-car drafts a lot easier than we did at Daytona. Hopefully we're not hooking and spinning one another like we were in Daytona."

"It will come down to two-car drafts, but it's more of two cars that can stay hooked up together and not have to put air to the nose to the car in back," Gordon said. "The ones that can do the best job of that and the switch over – those are the ones that are going to go fast."

Dale Earnhardt Jr. said he was "disappointed" to hear NASCAR shrunk the size of restrictor plate, all but assuring the two-car drafts would be the best way to race. He said Talladega is a "lottery" and added "it will be anybody's game."

I guess we'll find out come Cup practice Friday.
 
I just hope is dosent turn into the single-file freight train crap like it did there for a few races in a row a few years back. A fuel mileage race at Dega seriously blows.



Even that was better than the two car draft crap. I'm sure there will be lots of lead changes because one guy pushes whoever is in front of him to the lead and people will act like it was some amazing race because of the number of lead changes.
 
Even that was better than the two car draft crap. I'm sure there will be lots of lead changes because one guy pushes whoever is in front of him to the lead and people will act like it was some amazing race because of the number of lead changes.

Not even close to as good, that single file stuff is boring and I like watching trains go by.
 
I'd rather see the 2 car draft and some passing, more than I would the nose to tail follow the leader.
 
Count Earnhardt Jr. as a non fan of the two car drafting.....

Dale Earnhardt Jr. is riding a 100-race winless streak and would like nothing better than to snap it this weekend at his favorite track – Talladega Superspeedway.

But there’s one small problem with that. To win at Talladega, a driver likely will have to perfect the art of racing in a two-car draft. And Earnhardt Jr. does not like the two-car draft.

The new style of restrictor-plate racing emerged at the end of the Talladega races the last two years but could be used throughout the entire race Sunday much in the same way it was during the season-opening Daytona 500.

So Earnhardt Jr. is going to have adapt if he wants to win at Talladega, where he has five career victories, including four in a row from 2001-03.

“I don't particularly like that style of racing,” Earnhardt Jr. said. “I'd rather have control of just what I've got to do and having to have responsibility for someone else is a little bit more than I care to deal with. But, that is the way the racing is.”

Earnhardt Jr. said he wasn’t sure if the two-car draft will be as pronounced at Talladega as it was at Daytona, but obviously it will play a big role.

“I really don’t know what Talladega is going to be like because the asphalt is worn just a little bit and it’s not quite as grippy as the new asphalt at Daytona after a year or two,” Earnhardt Jr. said.

“But I want to be in control of my own destiny and I don’t want to have to worry about wrecking another driver while I’m pushing him around the race track. So I hope that’s not the kind of racing we have. But whatever you’ve got to do to win, is what you’ve got to do.”

After the Daytona 500, Earnhardt Jr. said he hoped NASCAR would do some testing to create a better racing package for Daytona and Talladega.

NASCAR didn’t hold any tests. Teams will use the same cooling system rules that were put in place in the week leading up to the Daytona 500 and will have a restrictor plate with slightly smaller holes (1/64th-inch less in diameter) than they had at Daytona. The configuration, coupled with new pavement at Daytona, turned the Daytona 500 into a race that featured drivers racing in two-car tandems.

It appears that NASCAR officials are content with the two-car draft, which requires drafting partners to swap positions often to keep their cars from overheating.

“Seventy-four lead changes, dramatic racing all the way through, although it looked a little bit different, the competition level went up,” NASCAR Chairman Brian France said of the two-car draft. “We look at a lot of things to come to that, but we like it.

“It's different. But, generally speaking, if competition goes up, the races are exciting, we're going to like it.”

Which means that Earnhardt Jr. must learn to use the two-car draft to be in contention at Talladega. He appeared to be in position to make a late run at Daytona but was involved in an accident in the waning laps.

“We hadn’t even run the length of a qualifying race and we had done tore out half the field it seemed like,” Earnhardt Jr. said after the Daytona 500. “It’s just this type of racing.

“It’s not very good because I can’t see where I’m going when I’m pushing somebody. … We don’t need to be shoving each other all the way around the race track. You can make cars where they don’t have to do that.”

It doesn’t matter that Earnhardt Jr.’s winless streak has hit 100 races. Or that he has not won a Cup restrictor-plate points race in his last 12 starts.

Earnhardt Jr. has done well enough – second in the 2010 Daytona 500, winner of the Nationwide race at Daytona last summer – to know he can still get it done at those tracks.

But he just wishes that NASCAR would work on getting rid of the two-car draft by making the cars unstable, either through higher speeds or aerodynamic rules.

“We can do a little bit better, and I think NASCAR understands,” Earnhardt Jr. said. “Hopefully we’ll make some things happen, put some testing together to get a little bit better package.”

From SceneDaily
 
Well..... It's back. The 2-car draft, that is. Some of the Nationwide practice speeds were hitting 198mph but a plate change is not expected to be made.

There's also been quite a bit of talk among teams about the in-car communication between rival teams. Here's a bit from Jeff Gordon on who he's going to be talking to during the race this Sunday.....

The radio inside the four-time Sprint Cup champion's #24 Chevy can accommodate 16 team channels in Sunday's Aaron's 499 at Talladega Superspeedway. But Gordon says it's been programmed only for Hendrick Motorsports teammates #48Jimmie Johnson, #88-Dale Earnhardt Jr. and #5-Mark Martin and the Stewart-Haas Racing Chevys of #14-Tony Stewart and #39-Ryan Newman (whose chassis and engines are supplied by Hendrick). A prevalence of two-car trains made for strange bedfellows at the Daytona 500 as many rival NASCAR teams shared radio transmissions with one spotter calling the action for two drivers drafting nose to tail. It's expected many will employ the same strategy at Talladega. "We had people coming to us last week wanting our radio approval, and we're like, 'No,'" Gordon said Thursday. "We're not ready to do that. Having somebody be able to get on your channel is more complicated than some people are making it out to be. I'm not for that. We want to stay in control of what's said and be able to talk to the crew chief. I have one of the best spotters, so I want my spotter to be leading the way as much as possible. So we're very hesitant when it comes to that."
 
You will see the 2-car draft thing again until changes are made to the cars. It was used some at Talladega last year, but not all the teams figured out how to use it and see how effective it was. I remember seeing that some and wondering why more cars didn't do that. Well, they figured it out for Daytona.
 
Should be fun....Gordon said he's hooking up with Mark Martin. I hope Mickey makes the field (if he is trying - haven't followed that closely). I think he will be a better "pusher" at Dega than Daytona and may not spin his partner (dosi-doe).

Actually I think this kind of racing kind of makes a mockery of the sport...but I'm drawn to it like a moth to a bug zapper ;)
 
Should be fun....Gordon said he's hooking up with Mark Martin. I hope Mickey makes the field (if he is trying - haven't followed that closely). I think he will be a better "pusher" at Dega than Daytona and may not spin his partner (dosi-doe).

Actually I think this kind of racing kind of makes a mockery of the sport...but I'm drawn to it like a moth to a bug zapper ;)

Yes it does make a mockery of the sport, that is a very good word to use.
 
I guess the television ratings come next week should tell the story. If it is as bad as people on this board think, they'll be tuning away in droves. In time, this type of racing will fade away along with the grip of both Talladega & Daytona and we'll probably all be back to where we were.
 
No a mockery is single file line drafting like this ARCA race.
 
Dale Jr. on 2-car drafting at Talladega: "I'm hoping this kind of racing goes away fast''

Two-car drafts is what fans will see in Sunday’s Cup race but Dale Earnhardt Jr. prefers the larger pack.



Here’s what Dale Jr. had to say about the issue:



“I’m hoping this kind of racing goes away fast so we don’t have to talk about this no more,’’ Dale Jr. said when asked about talking with drivers other than teammates on his radio during the race. “This is a bunch of crap.



“You all don’t really look at it and think it’s strange?’’



So, what can be done, Dale Jr. is asked:



“Watch how fast these Cup cars qualify today. We’ll be lucky to break 180.’’



But isn’t this type of racing a product of the track, Dale Jr. is asked. His response:



“No. Were we doing this for the last 15 years?’’



Yet, the track was newly paved (as was Daytona).



“We weren’t doing it when it was brand new to that,’’ Dale Jr. said. “I don’t know. I’m not an engineer. It might take a physics major to figure it out. You remember when we would go out to practice and even the few fans that were here on Thursday and Friday, that’s pretty interesting to them to watch guys out there practicing. How interesting was practice (Friday)?



“Everybody thinks it’s cool now because it’s new and it’s neat and it’s what is going on. Everybody is getting a big kick out of it. Over the long haul, it’s not the best, it’s not as good as 40 dudes in one pack racing like hell trying to get to the front. It’s nowhere near as good as that. Give me that any day over this. Over the long haul, people will realize it and go OK. What’s the new when all this wears off, how interesting this is, how unique it is. People will start to see.’’
 
OK, so you all know what to expect now, right? Two by two racing all day long. Just like Daytona only another groove wider. Is everyone going to watch and complain or not watch and complain? Or, are some of you going to watch and enjoy it for what it is?
 
OK, so you all know what to expect now, right? Two by two racing all day long. Just like Daytona only another groove wider. Is everyone going to watch and complain or not watch and complain? Or, are some of you going to watch and enjoy it for what it is?

I know what I'll be doing. Watching dirt late models:D
 
OK, so you all know what to expect now, right? Two by two racing all day long. Just like Daytona only another groove wider. Is everyone going to watch and complain or not watch and complain? Or, are some of you going to watch and enjoy it for what it is?

That one.
 
Probably switch between other sports and the race like i usually do.
 
Watch and enjoy and question those not watching and complaining anyway.
 
How about that Nationwide race? Same question. Watching and complaining or not watching and complaining? Or, enjoying it for what it is?

Me..... I'll be watching all of the racing @ Talladega wishing I were there to see it. I really don't car if they're two by two or ten by ten.
 
...Dale Jr. said. “I don’t know. I’m not an engineer. It might take a physics major to figure it out.’...’

Well I'm certainly no engineer either - but I do remember one thing I saw on the telecast from Daytona. There was a car that was pushing another and the car had a piece of debris stuck at the front of the hood - kinda like a little streamer. When the "pusher car" was right up against the front car the little streamer was either just laying flat - or sometimes - even blowing backwards towards the front car (this while the two of them were going 190 forwards).

That pretty much told me all I needed to know...it's like having two engines when the bumpers line up and the track is smooth enough.

(well not exactly like that...there is the weight ratios and all that stuff, but it makes sense)
 
...Me..... I'll be watching all of the racing @ Talladega wishing I were there to see it. I really don't care if they're two by two or ten by ten.

Yeah, me too dpk. I had a buddy all talked in to going but he got worried about leaving Atlanta after work (Friday) because of the coming storm. Then he didn't want to go today cause he didn't think we could get a campsite. I told him getting a campsite would be easy if the storm was bad enough - everybody's stuff would be blown into the next county :p But he wasn't buying...bummer. Oh well - at least there is the telecast.
 
Yeah, me too dpk. I had a buddy all talked in to going but he got worried about leaving Atlanta after work (Friday) because of the coming storm. Then he didn't want to go today cause he didn't think we could get a campsite. I told him getting a campsite would be easy if the storm was bad enough - everybody's stuff would be blown into the next county :p But he wasn't buying...bummer. Oh well - at least there is the telecast.

Even when it is a sellout @ Talladega, there's always camping. Never let that stop ya.
 
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