Team Sponsor Shortages

Hotrod said:
I almost wanted to start a thread on this but I think I will just ask it here.

Should NASCAR consider going to 2 teams max per owner?

I think it would make room for a new generation of owners.
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Do you really think the sanctioning body would / could force team owners to contract their businesses and start selling hard assets for fractions of actual value?

The RTA was formed with a purpose.
 
taking the forced reduction out of the equation, the best chance for new teams would be if another manufacturer wanted in would be my guess. There are plenty representing each manufacturer right now IMO..
 
I don't think the majority of fans really "get" what it is that drives race team owners of any stripe. These guys will do whatever it takes to get in the game and to stay there ... at every level of the sport. They love this game and never stop dreaming.

For example: https://racing-forums.com/threads/carl-long-looking-to-make-cup-comeback.58463/

It's been this way since forever, in spite of the fact that the ditches are littered with the corpses of those that failed. Racing has showered its winners with fame and fortune and has broken marriages, destroyed businesses and personal fortunes and has driven some people to engage in criminal activity in order to support the habit.

None of that is going to change any time soon, irrespective of NASCAR's current woes. Just my opinion and that of lots of people I know.
 
^ Aunty speaks the truth.
 
Hotrod said:
I almost wanted to start a thread on this but I think I will just ask it here.

Should NASCAR consider going to 2 teams max per owner?

I think it would make room for a new generation of owners.
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I suggested 3 car teams simply because I think its actually something that could happen.
 
I think with lack of sponsors, teams would not mind
right sizing a bit. Penske has the right model. Haas
should go to 2 or 3 or just spin off Tony. These guys with
open wheel and sportscar teams, I don't see how they do it.
 
aunty dive said:
You can suggest whatever you like.

The big money will decide.
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Feel like it kind of is already. Its not like NASCAR is above limiting the nuber of cars owners have full time. SHR and JGR both have trouble with at least 1 car getting sponsorship for the whole year. With Jr. leaving Hendrick could be in the same boat next year as well.
 
Simple Fan said:
Feel like it kind of is already. Its not like NASCAR is above limiting the nuber of cars owners have full time. SHR and JGR both have trouble with at least 1 car getting sponsorship for the whole year. With Jr. leaving Hendrick could be in the same boat next year as well.
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Has either owner indicated a willingness to consider contraction?

NASCAR is not going to limit the number of cars an owner can field because corporate sponsorship is currently declining. If Gene Haas or Jack Roush want to run a car out of the pockets of their various businesses, they will remain free to do so. They've both done it multiple times over years. Presumably you're familiar with Hendricks Cars.
 
Simple Fan said:
Feel like it kind of is already. Its not like NASCAR is above limiting the nuber of cars owners have full time. SHR and JGR both have trouble with at least 1 car getting sponsorship for the whole year. With Jr. leaving Hendrick could be in the same boat next year as well.
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IMO if you limited teams to 2 cars it isn't going to increase or decrease sponsorship dollars and all you would be doing is making satellite teams of the more established teams.
 
aunty dive said:
I don't think the majority of fans really "get" what it is that drives race team owners of any stripe. These guys will do whatever it takes to get in the game and to stay there ... at every level of the sport. They love this game and never stop dreaming.

For example: https://racing-forums.com/threads/carl-long-looking-to-make-cup-comeback.58463/

It's been this way since forever, in spite of the fact that the ditches are littered with the corpses of those that failed. Racing has showered its winners with fame and fortune and has broken marriages, destroyed businesses and personal fortunes and has driven some people to engage in criminal activity in order to support the habit.

None of that is going to change any time soon, irrespective of NASCAR's current woes. Just my opinion and that of lots of people I know.
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Carl about four years ago was still paying off the $200,000. They made a hell of an example out of him.
 
aunty dive said:
Has either owner indicated a willingness to consider contraction?

NASCAR is not going to limit the number of cars an owner can field because corporate sponsorship is currently declining. If Gene Haas or Jack Roush want to run a car out of the pockets of their various businesses, they will remain free to do so. They've both done it multiple times over years. Presumably you're familiar with Hendricks Cars.
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No they are not but I didn't say they were either. Limiting teams to 3 cars isnt necessarily a sponsorship thing though. It would be cost effective and a way to bring more parody to NASCAR. Im just saying I dont put it past NASCAR to look into 3 car teams in the future.
 
Hotrod said:
I think with lack of sponsors, teams would not mind
right sizing a bit. Penske has the right model. Haas
should go to 2 or 3 or just spin off Tony. These guys with
open wheel and sportscar teams, I don't see how they do it.
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$$$

You better believe Acura, Honda, Chevy, Ford are providing CGR and Penske with a lot of resources.

Haas F1...it helps to be in bed with Ferrari a little bit.
 
Simple Fan said:
No they are not but I didn't say they were either. Limiting teams to 3 cars isnt necessarily a sponsorship thing though. It would be cost effective and a way to bring more parody to NASCAR. Im just saying I dont put it past NASCAR to look into 3 car teams in the future.
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It's cost effective to run 10 cars if your revenue streams and personal resources can support it. Jim Stacy.

If there's a reduction in the number of allowable cars per owner, it won't be a NASCAR initiative. RTA.
 
Hotrod said:
I almost wanted to start a thread on this but I think I will just ask it here.

Should NASCAR consider going to 2 teams max per owner?

I think it would make room for a new generation of owners.
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That's where they were before HMS and Rousch got into an expansion war.
 
My brother that lives in Alabama was at the race Sunday.He said he wished he had a dollar for every 88 shirt or hat he saw.Next year Jr's retirement will effect more than just Hendricks I'm afraid.I don't believe I've ever seen a sport lose so many stars this close together.
 
Everyone and rightly so is worried about NASCAR losing star drivers, I just am worried about where the next generation of great car owners/teams are coming from. Hendrick, RC, Roush, JGR and Penske arnt getting younger. And those teams are having sponsorship troubles themselves, I would think it'd make it leery for a new owner or owner from another series to step in and be championship caliber.
 
Hotrod said:
I almost wanted to start a thread on this but I think I will just ask it here.

Should NASCAR consider going to 2 teams max per owner?

I think it would make room for a new generation of owners.
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I suspect it costs more to run two 2-car teams than one 4-car team.

What's the benefit of a new generation of owners?
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
IMO if you limited teams to 2 cars it isn't going to increase or decrease sponsorship dollars and all you would be doing is making satellite teams of the more established teams.
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Team Penske said:
Already done, the number is 4.
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The 4-car teams already have satellite teams. I've noticed that they even refer to them as teammates. I'm concerned that down the road a 5-6 teammate association might try to use their numbers to influence a race.
 
Zerkfitting said:
The 4-car teams already have satellite teams. I've noticed that they even refer to them as teammates. I'm concerned that down the road a 5-6 teammate association might try to use their numbers to influence a race.
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Nascar is so concentrated that you if you are not with a top team you almost have to have some sort of working relationship with one of them for any hope of long term success.
 
Zerkfitting said:
The 4-car teams already have satellite teams. I've noticed that they even refer to them as teammates. I'm concerned that down the road a 5-6 teammate association might try to use their numbers to influence a race.
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That has already happened.. many times. as recently as the last race. Manufacturer rivalry is a good thing.
 
Zerkfitting said:
The 4-car teams already have satellite teams. I've noticed that they even refer to them as teammates. I'm concerned that down the road a 5-6 teammate association might try to use their numbers to influence a race.
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Teams with the same manufacturer have been 'influencing' plate races for decades.
 
At least till the last lap, as it should be.
 
aunty dive said:
I don't think the majority of fans really "get" what it is that drives race team owners of any stripe. These guys will do whatever it takes to get in the game and to stay there ... at every level of the sport. They love this game and never stop dreaming.

For example: https://racing-forums.com/threads/carl-long-looking-to-make-cup-comeback.58463/

It's been this way since forever, in spite of the fact that the ditches are littered with the corpses of those that failed. Racing has showered its winners with fame and fortune and has broken marriages, destroyed businesses and personal fortunes and has driven some people to engage in criminal activity in order to support the habit.

None of that is going to change any time soon, irrespective of NASCAR's current woes. Just my opinion and that of lots of people I know.
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This pretty much sums it up. It reminds me of the saying, "how do you make a small fortune in auto racing? Start with a large fortune."

NASCAR team ownership is a hobby that's run like a business. But make no mistake about it, the goal is to win, win, win...not to make money. (And for some team owners, "winning" is finishing in the top 10, or even top 20.). For example, let's assume the #48's annual budget is $40million, and they sell $40million worth of sponsorship. There is a really good chance Rick Hendrick would still kick in a few more million just to add even more R&D making the annual spend closer to $43million. Most owners will tell you the financial goal is to end the season with exactly $1 in the bank. Most owners will also tell you they almost always fall short of their goal.
 
No point in Rick spending his own money on R&D for the #48. Just reallocate some of the money the #5 clearly has no use for. :D
 
Allenbaba said:
This pretty much sums it up. It reminds me of the saying, "how do you make a small fortune in auto racing? Start with a large fortune."

NASCAR team ownership is a hobby that's run like a business. But make no mistake about it, the goal is to win, win, win...not to make money. (And for some team owners, "winning" is finishing in the top 10, or even top 20.). For example, let's assume the #48's annual budget is $40million, and they sell $40million worth of sponsorship. There is a really good chance Rick Hendrick would still kick in a few more million just to add even more R&D making the annual spend closer to $43million. Most owners will tell you the financial goal is to end the season with exactly $1 in the bank. Most owners will also tell you they almost always fall short of their goal.
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I don't know of any stick and ball owner whose primary motive in purchasing his/her team was because it represented a good investment with great income potential.
 
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