The 1992 Hooters 500 Has Turned Out To Be The Worst Thing To Happen To Nascar.

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think about it Nascar has been trying to recreate that Race ever since and that's why we have the Chase so blame the 92 hooters 500 as good as that race was it turn out to be bad for Nascar cause of the idiots in charge has been trying to recreate it every since.

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think about it Nascar has been trying to recreate that Race ever since and that's why we have the Chase so blame the 92 hooters 500 as good as that race was it turn out to be bad for Nascar cause of the idiots in charge has been trying to recreate it every since.

anyone agree or disagree?
I think they're trying to recreate the 2011 Homestead race, if anything.
 
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think about it Nascar has been trying to recreate that Race ever since and that's why we have the Chase so blame the 92 hooters 500 as good as that race was it turn out to be bad for Nascar cause of the idiots in charge has been trying to recreate it every since.

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I agree that it is the most memorable race for me.... It sticks in my memory more than any other.... but.... I don't know if they are trying to recreate it..... there were so many things that went on in that race that can actually never be recreated...... the racing was still good for several years...... until the gimmicks started.... if they are trying to recreate '92....... they are going down the wrong path..... gimmicks won't do it because they have watered it down to the point of crowning a Champion at the last race being a joke.....
 

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I agree that it is the most memorable race for me.... It sticks in my memory more than any other.... but.... I don't know if they are trying to recreate it..... there were so many things that went on in that race that can actually never be recreated...... the racing was still good for several years...... until the gimmicks started.... if they are trying to recreate '92....... they are going down the wrong path..... gimmicks won't do it because they have watered it down to the point of crowning a Champion at the last race being a joke.....
I agree you can't recreate it cause it was just magic and one of kind but look what they done with the playoffs making sure it comes down to the last race now its just a way try and to recreate the magic of that race and make sure the championship is won in the final race.
 
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The Chase was a product of needing to compete with the NFL (and Matt Kenseth's 2003 blowout), not a need to recreate 1992.
And it's all a joke..... a joke on Brian ..... in his infinite wisdom he thought he could compete with NFL...... He should have been happy to be counting his coins and be in the position he was in. Matt deserved to win the Cup by consistency..... the way it should be. The way it had always been.... But... it galled his butt....


Now.... he needs tons of butt salve because he jumped out of a perfectly good aircraft wearing a knapsack......
 
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I agree you can't recreate it cause it was just magic and one of kind but look what they done with the playoffs making sure it comes down to the last race now its just a way try and to recreate the magic of that race and make sure the championship is won in the final race.
But........ it's a terribly convaluted way to do it..... and 75 percent of the folks see it as that.......
 

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think about it Nascar has been trying to recreate that Race ever since and that's why we have the Chase so blame the 92 hooters 500 as good as that race was it turn out to be bad for Nascar cause of the idiots in charge has been trying to recreate it every since.

anyone agree or disagree?
I disagree 1992 was one of the best Nascar moments ever.

The 24 karat dumbass in charge is the worst thing that ever happened to Nascar, and he has committed the malpractice in spite of the greatness of 1992.

A close second would be ISC, and SMI with the 1.5 mile cookie cutter fetish.
Without those syndicates we would have a more diverse schedule. We would also have more outside investors pursuing opportunities to promote better venues.
Only a fool would try to market against the current set of thugs, and their mafia.
 

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I disagree 1992 was one of the best Nascar moments ever.

The 24 karat dumbass in charge is the worst thing that ever happened to Nascar, and he has committed the malpractice in spite of the greatness of 1992.

A close second would be ISC, and SMI with the 1.5 mile cookie cutter fetish.
Without those syndicates we would have a more diverse schedule. We would also have more outside investors pursuing opportunities to promote better venues.
Only a fool would try to market against the current set of thugs, and their mafia.
I agree that the 92 hooters was one of the best races of all-time I was just saying looking back on how Nascar has tried to recreate it with gimmicks like the Chase that it might of end up hurting it since baby boy france is so determine on creating drama to make sure the championship came down to the final race just like 92.
 

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I agree that the 92 hooters was one of the best races of all-time I was just saying looking back on how Nascar has tried to recreate it with gimmicks like the Chase that it might of end up hurting it since baby boy france is so determine on creating drama to make sure the championship came down to the final race just like 92.
I agree they want game 7 moments, but I think they would pursued the gimmicks, regardless of 1992.
 
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My take on Brian is that he had a very insecure childhood..... wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer..... his dad felt sorry for him...... decided to let him run Nascar........ He wanted to make his dad proud........ so...... he started doing it his way and it all spiraled downhill after that......


That's where we all are now............
 

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NASCAR made sure that race will never happen again with the Chase. Nobody will ever talk about Jimmie Johnson's 20xx title 20 years from now.
 

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think about it Nascar has been trying to recreate that Race ever since and that's why we have the Chase so blame the 92 hooters 500 as good as that race was it turn out to be bad for Nascar cause of the idiots in charge has been trying to recreate it every since.

anyone agree or disagree?
Nascar went big time in 2001 on network TV. The influx of phony debris cautions/inordinate amount of commercial breaks/serious talk about gimmicky championship formats all started around that time.
 

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Fans who were around back then can tell me better, but is 92 viewed through rose-colored glasses? I always got the impression that the championship was a secondary concern to the race until the racing got less exciting in the early 2000s, at which point the championship was given more air time.
 
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Fans who were around back then can tell me better, but is 92 viewed through rose-colored glasses? I always got the impression that the championship was a secondary concern to the race until the racing got less exciting in the early 2000s, at which point the championship was given more air time.
That day was all about the Championship.

 
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The Chase was a product of needing to compete with the NFL (and Matt Kenseth's 2003 blowout), not a need to recreate 1992.
Yep....but of course Nascar in it's infinite lack of wisdom took away awarding consistency by adding gimmick after gimmick. It's all coming back to haunt them now as they are scrambling to stop the bleeding at the ticket gates.
 

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Fans who were around back then can tell me better, but is 92 viewed through rose-colored glasses? I always got the impression that the championship was a secondary concern to the race until the racing got less exciting in the early 2000s, at which point the championship was given more air time.
It was still about winning the Cup.
 

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think about it Nascar has been trying to recreate that Race ever since and that's why we have the Chase so blame the 92 hooters 500 as good as that race was it turn out to be bad for Nascar cause of the idiots in charge has been trying to recreate it every since.

anyone agree or disagree?
Sorry, that's like blaming the guy who discovered fire for your house burning down, or the invention of chocolate chip cookies for overweight kids. Things are what they are; how they're (mis)used tells us much about the users but not the things themselves. Or, to paraphrase the NRA,

"The '92 Hooters doesn't kill great racing; people kill great racing."
 

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2001 ... serious talk about gimmicky championship formats all started around that time.
What is or isn't a gimmick is often a matter of opinion, and opinions often differ widely. IMO, one of the most egregious gimmicks in Nascar's history was the ridiculously flat Latford points scale, which artificially propped up the second tier for the purpose of keeping the championship standings close. This was always fundamentally unfair to the best drivers and teams, and gifted the Cup to the wrong guy multiple years, IMO.
 

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I would hope that even Brian France would not be naive enough to think he could recreate that atmosphere, but I wouldn't be shocked.

I could talk about this race for days and smile for every second of it. I bet I've watch every lap at least 10 times.

That race was about Jeff Gordon for about two seconds. It was about Richard Petty for a good bit longer, but that race was about the championship. I'm sure people now would be annoyed with how many times the brought up the six drivers going after the title. They had dedicated cameras on all six drivers at all times. The only bad things were Richard crashing and if I remember correctly, Brett Bodine was hurt in the lap 2 crash. The coverage was perfect. I don't think they over saturated anything. The stories were great. Underdog Rick Mast wins the pole. The on track action was great. Bill Elliott and Alan Kulwicki put on a clinic. Those of us watching that day(except Allison and Elliott fans) knew we're seeing something special. I hope I'll never forget it. I hope NASCAR never tries to undermine it. It'll never be topped.
 

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What is or isn't a gimmick is often a matter of opinion, and opinions often differ widely. IMO, one of the most egregious gimmicks in Nascar's history was the ridiculously flat Latford points scale, which artificially propped up the second tier for the purpose of keeping the championship standings close. This was always fundamentally unfair to the best drivers and teams, and gifted the Cup to the wrong guy multiple years, IMO.
I'd take that 'widely accepted' format as today's standard any day over the present method. I prefer it by a large margin over the 'Chase Era' in this sport.
 

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I would hope that even Brian France would not be naive enough to think he could recreate that atmosphere, but I wouldn't be shocked.

I could talk about this race for days and smile for every second of it. I bet I've watch every lap at least 10 times.

That race was about Jeff Gordon for about two seconds. It was about Richard Petty for a good bit longer, but that race was about the championship. I'm sure people now would be annoyed with how many times the brought up the six drivers going after the title. They had dedicated cameras on all six drivers at all times. The only bad things were Richard crashing and if I remember correctly, Brett Bodine was hurt in the lap 2 crash. The coverage was perfect. I don't think they over saturated anything. The stories were great. Underdog Rick Mast wins the pole. The on track action was great. Bill Elliott and Alan Kulwicki put on a clinic. Those of us watching that day(except Allison and Elliott fans) knew we're seeing something special. I hope I'll never forget it. I hope NASCAR never tries to undermine it. It'll never be topped.
One of the best days in Nascar history...period.
 

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I'd take that 'widely accepted' format as today's standard any day over the present method. I prefer it by a large margin over the 'Chase Era' in this sport.
And your opinion on that would be more popular than my opinion, among the membership of R-F. I'm not happy about some aspects of the current championship format, but I do appreciate the greater emphasis it places on winning races. I like that part a lot.
 

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The worst thing happening to NASCAR is the SMI & ISC monopoly on the schedule that doesn't allow outside investors to build tracks to get dates.
 

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**** Mookie Wilson

The New York Mets can go to hell.
Most people forget the game was already tied at that point.

Vin Scully's words will forever ring in my mind when I think of that GLORIOUS night. :D
 

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Most people forget the game was already tied at that point.

Vin Scully's words will forever ring in my mind when I think of that GLORIOUS night. :D
Yeah, Sox pitching had an epic meltdown in that game. We were so close to winning that the plastic had already been put up and champagne had already been wheeled into the Sox locker room. Bob Costas was even standing there waiting for the 1986 World Champion Red Sox to come running into the locker room.
 

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Yeah, Sox pitching had an epic meltdown in that game. We were so close to winning that the plastic had already been put up and champagne had already been wheeled into the Sox locker room. Bob Costas was even standing there waiting for the 1986 World Champion Red Sox to come running into the locker room.
If I remember correctly, the Shea Stadium scoreboard even had "Congratulations World Series MVP Marty Barrett" displayed which makes it all the more delicious.

Props to you guys for the EPIC comeback against the Evil Empire in 2004. That was incredible. Many Yankees fans here in Jersey sobbing in disappointment.
 

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If I remember correctly, the Shea Stadium scoreboard even had "Congratulations World Series MVP Marty Barrett" displayed which makes it all the more delicious.

Props to you guys for the EPIC comeback against the Evil Empire in 2004. That was incredible. Many Yankees fans here in Jersey sobbing in disappointment.
There's a good documentary that was put out by HBO in 2003 that talked a bit about how that night felt in Boston. Basically people were just stunned silent and in a state of shocked disappointment.

NASCAR needs to take notes. You can't create those kind of moments and feelings, it's organic.
 

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That was one of the best sports documentaries ever. "The Curse of the Bambino":

 

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think about it Nascar has been trying to recreate that Race ever since and that's why we have the Chase so blame the 92 hooters 500 as good as that race was it turn out to be bad for Nascar cause of the idiots in charge has been trying to recreate it every since.

anyone agree or disagree?
Nope, not even close. Kulwicki was the underdog (underbird), nothing NASCAR has done after that race encouraged low dollar single car teams to compete and win on the circuit.
For me, there will NEVER be a better NASCAR champion than Alan Kulwicki.
 
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