The knee jerk reactions have already begun

The point is , does anyone really read the lable to find out if the coffee is hot or not?
 
ted@economy said:
The point is , does anyone really read the lable to find out if the coffee is hot or not?
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The question is should someone HAVE to read the label to know that coffee is hot.
There is a label on a hair dryer stating that the dryer "shouldn't be used while bathing". Do we really need to keep THESE people alive with our warning labels?
 
BobbyFord said:
If you don't know that coffee is hot and that it shouldn't be near your groin then I hope you do have enough damn common sense not to reproduce.
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The courts very rarely even hear these cases. Not only did the courts hear this case, they sided with Liebeck. There are tons of stupid ass cases and, again, most of them don't even see the inside of a courtroom.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
The courts very rarely even hear these cases. Not only did the courts hear this case, they sided with Liebeck. There are tons of stupid ass cases and, again, most of them don't even see the inside of a courtroom.
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My guess is that it wasn't hard to find a (ex-lawyer) judge that is also a *******.
 
I know this has been getting off topic ,but what we can expect to see at Nascar tracks is likely some sort of warning lable that people will choose to ignore but will absolve Nascar of any legal liability.
 
ted@economy said:
I know this has been getting off topic ,but what we can expect to see at Nascar tracks is likely some sort of warning lable that people will choose to ignore but will absolve Nascar of any legal liability.
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The warning label is on the back of the race ticket :lol2: So, people already ignore it.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
There's nothing that you can do to protect everyone. They are not going to all run out and sit in their car. They will be out the partying waiting for the race to resume.
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Who's talking about protecting everyone? I've been talking about nascar and the track acting responsibly.

It sounds like your logic is very fatalistic and that anyone in the stands who might be killed by lightening is probably a drunken partier anyway. I honestly don't understand the do nothing attitude. Run the race, sit in the stands, lets get drunk and see what happens. Meanwhile, responsible people who were there say they would have left if they had known the danger they were in. Why didn't they know? The race was still going on and they never heard a PA announcement that there was a dangerous storm headed toward the track.
 
BobbyFord said:
So...basically supermarkets, malls, movie theaters, colleges, etc. should close down when severe weather is forecasted so nobody gets zapped in the parking lots? :confused:o_O
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I work for the campus newspaper

I have a HAM radio, and soon to attend formal storm spotter training.

I watched a funnel cloud pass west to east 2 miles south of campus from the 6th floor of the engineering building while the whole campus ignored the STW. 2 other spotters and I called in the funnel along with NWS seeing the radar mark, 2 minutes later, the school is on lockdown and the basements are flooded with people.

30 minutes later, another funnel passed directly over campus and caused some damage at the ballpark and UFO.

UTA now has an severe weather plan.
 
Magnethead said:
I work for the campus newspaper

I have a HAM radio, and soon to attend formal storm spotter training.

I watched a funnel cloud pass west to east 2 miles south of campus from the 6th floor of the engineering building while the whole campus ignored the STW. 2 other spotters and I called in the funnel along with NWS seeing the radar mark, 2 minutes later, the school is on lockdown and the basements are flooded with people.

30 minutes later, another funnel passed directly over campus and caused some damage at the ballpark and UFO.

UTA now has an severe weather plan.
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It never hurts to have a severe weather plan in place. But that is NOT the reason this fan died.
 
Magnethead said:
I work for the campus newspaper

I have a HAM radio, and soon to attend formal storm spotter training.

I watched a funnel cloud pass west to east 2 miles south of campus from the 6th floor of the engineering building while the whole campus ignored the STW. 2 other spotters and I called in the funnel along with NWS seeing the radar mark, 2 minutes later, the school is on lockdown and the basements are flooded with people.

30 minutes later, another funnel passed directly over campus and caused some damage at the ballpark and UFO.

UTA now has an severe weather plan.
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I'm sure these same measures are not being taken at large outdoor retail facilities and places alike.
Folks should naturally have the sense to shield themselves from the elements.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
I'm tired of that lawsuit being used as the primary example of frivolous lawsuits. That was a legitimate lawsuit, and that's why Stella Liebeck won.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald's_Restaurants#Trial_and_verdict
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That was a very legitimate lawsuit. Sadly, very few people have taken the time to read the actual facts of that case and still think that the poor lady that was so terribly burned was at fault. This suit has been twisted into urban legend. In fact HBO did a documentary featuring this case and the lengths that McDonalds and their scumbag lawyers went to to try to twist facts and deny culpability in that case was sickening.
 
Ok, F it; I can't wait until tomorrow for your reply.
First of all, the McDonald's coffee lawsuit is off topic and irrelevant. But since it's important to you, let me offer my opinion as it relates to your interpretation of how it is relevant to this thread.
If you are stupid enough to stand out in a thunder storm, getting wet from the rain, near a large metal object, then you have nobody to blame when your dumb ass gets zapped to the floor by lightning.
Very similar to (as you think it's relevant) getting your junk burned by a hot substance that you elected to place (while hot) in the general region of your junk.
Was the cashier responsible for you burning your crotch or was it your own dumb ass fault for placing the HOT liquid in an area that it COULD actually burn your dick while you were responsible for safely operating your motor vehicle?
DUH, would be the appropriate response.
 
BobbyFord said:
Ok, F it; I can't wait until tomorrow for your reply.
First of all, the McDonald's coffee lawsuit is off topic and irrelevant. But since it's important to you, let me offer my opinion as it relates to your interpretation of how it is relevant to this thread.
If you are stupid enough to stand out in a thunder storm, getting wet from the rain, near a large metal object, then you have nobody to blame when your dumb ass gets zapped to the floor by lightning.
Very similar to (as you think it's relevant) getting your junk burned by a hot substance that you elected to place (while hot) in the general region of your junk.
Was the cashier responsible for you burning your crotch or was it your own dumb ass fault for placing the HOT liquid in an area that it COULD actually burn your dick while you were responsible for safely operating your motor vehicle?
DUH, would be the appropriate response.
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Have you read the actual facts of the case and seen pictures of the burns? Obviously not. What you think you know about the situation and what actually occurred are likely 2 different things. Just read the facts you'll understand why Andy posted the link and why the myths surrounding the case should not have been introduced into this thread as an example of self accountability.:)
 
MacDonalds coffee is pretty good and my favorite.

I wonder if the admins could replace he podium with a legal section so people could seek advice from all the lawyers around here? You know, for those that need it ;)
 
Matthew2470 said:
Have you read the actual facts of the case and seen pictures of the burns? Obviously not. What you think you know about the situation and what actually occurred are likely 2 different things. Just read the facts you'll understand why Andy posted the link and why the myths surrounding the case should not have been introduced into this thread as an example of self accountability.:)
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I breezed over the supposed facts of the case, without going into in depth.
I can honestly say that I've never allowed hot liquid to be placed anywhere that it could possibly spill and burn my lap.
 
BobbyFord said:
I breezed over the supposed facts of the case, without going into in depth.
I can honestly say that I've never allowed hot liquid to be placed anywhere that it could possibly spill and burn my lap.
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The HBO Documentary is call Hot Coffee.



If you can find the movie somewhere, possibly HBO OnDemand, I highly suggest you watch it. It will change your views on that case. Anyways, have you ever spilt coffee on your hand? Or any hot liquid? You probably get a little red mark and it is tender for a bit right? Well not this lady.....

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I have never in my life got 3rd degree burns from spilling any hot liquid on my hands or anywhere on my body. There were several factors in why she won this case. One was being that McDonald's had a policy in place to keep their coffee at a ridiculous temperature, and another was the fact that they had a horrible lid design. They had several complaints from customers about the lid and getting burned, yet McDonald's failed to do anything about it. So she was rewarded one days worth of coffee sales.
 
Well maybe we can agree that the tracks should do what they can to warn the fans in a timely manner and evacuate them from the grandstands if severe weather is imminent so that they can take shelter underneath. At that point its the sole responsibility of the individuals to keep themselves safe.
 
I can forsee the Future! NASCAR will implement a Severe Weather Plan then one day down the road they will have to use that plan. IF the forecasted bad weather passes by or never appears, weather or not there are any lightening strikes.

There Will be PAGES of yall BASHING NASCAR for their ruining the fans race.
 
NASCAR should just concentrate on the race but work with the tracks ahead of time to ensure that they have a plan in place to deal with severe weather. I don't want racing decisions being made because they are worried about what the track is going to do.
 
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