The Masters

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  1. KodiakRusty89

    KodiakRusty89 Team Owner

    Ernie Irvan garnered national attention when he won at New Hampshire in 1996 and then even more publicity in 1997 when he won at Michigan.
     
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  2. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    Good comparison, and in some ways Ernie had a more challenging recovery. But Swervin' was never at Woods' level of national recognition, and he wasn't irrelevant for almost a decade before returning.
     
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  3. Larsonfan1995

    Larsonfan1995 Team Owner

    The only way you get something like this is if Jeff Gordon runs the 2020 Daytona 500 and wins
     
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  4. KodiakRusty89

    KodiakRusty89 Team Owner

    I agree. But his comeback did earn Irvan a few national awards for courage and perseverance which at the time was very noteworthy.
     
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  5. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    Let's also note that Augusta National isn't as dependent on TV money as NASCAR and the tracks. It's a private club with dues beyond what most of us here earn annually. If it somehow lost TV coverage, it would survive as a golf club. But without TV money, many tracks would close and NASCAR as we know it would be replaced with something smaller and very different.

    It's much easier to tell TV what to do when it wants you more than you need it.
     
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  6. KodiakRusty89

    KodiakRusty89 Team Owner

    Actually, Augusta's budget is heavily dependent upon TV revenue from the Masters. As a result the dues at Augusta are notoriously modest relative to other clubs of similar clout. Money does not get you into Augusta per se. It's your character and what you bring to the table/club. With that said, it's membership base for the most part is obviously extremely wealthy. The club would be perfectly fine without CBS's money if it came to that. It would simply need to rework their dues structure and accounting techniques.

    When the club wants to make a major reservation they'll take some money out of their capital fund/club endowment and then divide up the remaining cost and bill the members the rest accordingly.
     
  7. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    I took the wrong route, but I seemed to have reached the correct conclusion. To address Revman's original post, it's an apple juice-to-cognac comparison.
     
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  8. Ventisca

    Ventisca Team Owner Contributor

    Yeah, that's the kinda shyt that I hate. Clubs. Tribalism for cake-eaters, many (if not all) who are crappy human beings, just like the rest of us. :D

    Chasing a little white ball while networking can pay for mega-yachts and ex-wives and rehab and lawyers, etc -- but I don't believe it's about good character. IMHO
     
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  9. Greg

    Greg 2014 RF YAHOO CHAMP Your leader

    Tiger earned his clap.
     
  10. KodiakRusty89

    KodiakRusty89 Team Owner

    Absolutely! Despite using the revenue very much to their advantage Augusta National does not need CBS nor do they care what they have to say. NASCAR on the other hand is very much at the networks beck and call. Back in the day when the tracks negotiated their own deals it was the networks who came calling.

    Any golf fan on here remembers Fox's first US Open broadcast at Chambers Bay in 2015 knows what a roller coaster it was. It was awkward to the say the least. Curt Menefee was the studio host, they had some other crossover guys in weird spots, their camera guys struggled to track the ball in the air/find the ball when it landed. Plus, they tried some of their quirky Fox graphics/tendencies. Needless to say, golf fans and more importantly the USGA was not too thrilled with the production. To no one's surprise there were drastic changes made for Oakmont in 2016. Fox's golf telecasts are nothing like their NFL, NASCAR and college football and bball broadcasts.
     
  11. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    Is golf any less about character than making millions at other sports? It's not like reaching the top levels of NASCAR is within financial reach of most aspirants either.
     
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  12. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    Gods, that had Darling Bride and I cringing. The cameras were poorly positioned, as if the network hadn't looked at tape of other coverage. The color was washed out through the entire tournament. For those of us who think NASCAR coverage misses the action, Fox couldn't find the ball half the time. It was obvious their cameramen were inexperienced at golf. I've often thought tracking a golf ball must be one of the hardest jobs in sports camera work. I still think Fox doesn't do a very good job; they don't do enough coverage to get better, with plenty of time between events to forget whatever they may have learned.
     
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  13. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    Oh, and most clubs hit their members up to pay for the facilities, instead of getting the public to subsidize them. That's the kind of shee-eyt I hate.
     
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  14. KodiakRusty89

    KodiakRusty89 Team Owner

    Many of those things you listed will keep you out of certain clubs. Trust me, there is a place for character. No one is perfect but if the skeletons are simply "normal" ones then you'll be welcomed while others are not. Some of these places don't want people who bring drama or ego despite their wealth. Those people do exist.

    My time working in the golf industry has given me the opportunity to meet a lot of really cool people. One of which is Richard Childress who had a friend that was a member at the club I worked for in Bozeman, MT. I had a chance to have a 3-5 minute casual conversation with Childress on several occasions. These guys are just like you and I. He just wanted to play golf and do some fly fishing while being left alone.
     
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  15. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    And another thing. If there's one thing golf is about, it's character. In no other sport are the participants expected to penalize themselves for their own fouls. When's the last time you saw a wide receiver tell the ref he pushed off, or a forward call travelling on himself? In every other sport, the expectation is to get away with as much as you can, including NASCAR. Golf may not have fewer cheaters than other sport but at least there's an expectation that's completely lacking in other sports.
     
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  16. Turtle84

    Turtle84 Team Owner

    All good points on how it takes a perfect storm and a dominant mega star for a sport to boom. I remember the Shark, very popular. John Daly and Phil also provided some assistance along the way.
     
  17. Turtle84

    Turtle84 Team Owner

    I remember how different that broadcast was, and how burnt out the course looked. The pro's ripped them a new one on how bumpy the greens were.
     
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  18. Greg

    Greg 2014 RF YAHOO CHAMP Your leader

    The greens has gotta be organic for me, just like the racing.
     
  19. KodiakRusty89

    KodiakRusty89 Team Owner

    John Daly was easily golf's Dale Earnhardt. He brought the Happy Gilmore fan that came to the course to drink beers and yell wildly at long drives. His impact on the game in the early 1990's can't be understated.

    The death of Payne Stewart on the heels of his '99 US Open win had profound effect on the game. He was one of the more recognizable sports figures due to his dress. I think it took until Mickelson's 2004 Masters win to have the next quirky/uniquely American golfer that people rallied around. David Duval was never it....lol.

    Bottom line, NASCAR needs drivers that people can have an emotional connection with again. Watching the Masters yesterday took me to a similar place that the 2001 Pepsi 400, 1998 Daytona 500 and 1997 Michigan 400 did.
     
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  20. mack

    mack Team Owner

    The greens from Columbia iz really worth the trip so I hear. The organicisity cannot be overstated. Hand cut by Juan Valdez on his weekends off. The greens come from his other garden out back behind the vineyard. So I hear.
     
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  21. Turtle84

    Turtle84 Team Owner

    Kyle Larson may be the David Duval of NASCAR.
     
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  22. Needs to noted as well how bad of a U.S. Open venue Chambers Bay was. Probably one of the worst major venues of all time IMO
     
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  23. KodiakRusty89

    KodiakRusty89 Team Owner

    The 2015 US Open in general was a mess. Fox's first golf broadcast was an unmitigated disaster and the course was turned into bacon for some unknown reason (USGA never took responsibility). The only thing that saved it was Speith winning his second straight major. As a result, his stardom surpassed even that of LeBron James for a few months.

    As bad as it was it still didn't ruin the event for future years like the tire fiasco at the Brickyard did. Although, had Junior won instead of Menard things might have turned out very different....
     
  24. nascarwoman

    nascarwoman Admin Staff Member

    I moved this because it was becoming more golf talk ---
    Sunday at Augusta was really riveting to watch.
     
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  25. Revman

    Revman Mods are Motivators.

    Fair.
     
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  26. Revman

    Revman Mods are Motivators.

    @Johali stirs the drink. So noted.
     
  27. nascarwoman

    nascarwoman Admin Staff Member

    No. The posts were becoming more golf related.
    All you do is click the title in the NASCAR forum and it brings you right here. It's not like you have to hunt for it.
     
  28. Revman

    Revman Mods are Motivators.

    I saw pretty good dialogue with a good balance, but I can handle it. I appreciate the Visible Mod program so thanks for that. All good.
     
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  29. gnomesayin

    gnomesayin Team Owner

    Good call. We were walking a line with the comparisons, and then it became more golf-centric and the NASCAR relevance petered out.
     
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  30. nascarwoman

    nascarwoman Admin Staff Member

    Thank you. I wanted to leave it, but it drifted.
     
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  31. Revman

    Revman Mods are Motivators.

    I deeply appreciate your post and explanation. I really do. Thanks again.
     
  32. Turtle84

    Turtle84 Team Owner

    Apologies for being a drifter
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  33. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

  34. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    High plains variety

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  35. AndyMarquisLive

    AndyMarquisLive Short Track Fanatic

    To be fair, the TV coverage of The Masters is top-notch. When the US Open is shown on Fox, you see a tsunami of complaints.

    I agree with the rest of this though.
     
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  36. Mispeedway15

    Mispeedway15 Team Owner

    Oh my god Dustin Johnson’s three putt for the loss! I’ll never forget that.

    Chambers Bay was just too quirky for a US Open. It’d be like hosting an INDYCAR race at Martinsville, sounds good until you see the product
     
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  37. Revman

    Revman Mods are Motivators.

    I have to tell you....I listened to the end of the tournament on satellite radio, and Mike Tirico is unbelievable. Think about it.....golf on the radio and he was unbelievable.....
     
  38. dpkimmel2001

    dpkimmel2001 Team Owner

    That's one thing I've never done is listen to golf on the radio. To a far opposite extreme, I once listened to figure skating on the radio. I'm quite embarrassed to mention that but it's true. It was during a match-up of the Nancy Kerrigan/Tonya Harding post knee bashing incident. They actually broadcasted the competition and the place I worked had it on the radio for all to listen to. Understandably, I can't say that it was all that riveting. Some sports simply don't translate will to radio.
     
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  39. Revman

    Revman Mods are Motivators.

    I know, but I was heading out for a run and I had some stuff to do last Sunday so it couldn't wait. Decided to call it up on my app, and I thought, "This will suck," but Tirico was incredible. I believe Billy Casper was on the analysis, and the picture they painted was just beyond words. Totally enjoyable. I am not a golfer, but the club selection, the change in Tiger's strategy as his competition faded, etc. They stayed away from the drama, and concentrated on the talent of arguably the greatest golfer of all time. What a novel concept.....

    Kerrigan v. Harding.....I listened too!!!!!! Damn I was pulling for Harding......If you look at who I pull for in NASCAR, it kind of makes sense, doesn't it? ;)
     
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  40. Greg

    Greg 2014 RF YAHOO CHAMP Your leader

    Poker, bowling, chess matches, painting, and hair cutting events gets the best radio coverage, imo.
     
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