The New Racing Team Alliance

Allenbaba said:
I'm actually still gathering details myself. This thing was kept TIGHT. But in the works for a while. There was no one triggering event, nor was there a single reason why it came out when it came out. Mostly just an "enough is enough" attitude among those who put millions of their own hard earned money into a business venture that treats them like crap. It's been boiling for years.

What I do know at this point is that all the hotel cost savings bullsh*t is just the tip of an enormous iceberg...and if Brian France continues on his current course, NASCAR is gonna sail straight into it. The powers that be have just been put on notice.
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I think most of us that have been around for awhile probably arent to shocked that this has been in the works , and that the owners have grown tired of NASCAR's shyt over the years.
 
****'s getting interesting already. I'm guessing this RTA is gonna have to make some moves before they might want to. A lot of people are talking.
 
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blanston said:
http://beta.sportingnews.com/article/4595668-race-team-alliance-team-owners-tv-money-rick-hendrick-roger-penske-joe-gibbs?modid=http://news.google.com/

This articke talks about some legal ramifications which I haven't heard mentioned yet.
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Interesting read. About TV though - I don't think FOX and NBC are stupid. When ESPN renewed the Big East's TV contract last year they included stipulations that the contract would be renegotiated if certain teams left and terminated if another certain group of teams left. The SEC has a similar renegotiation provision with CBS and ESPN for expansion. I doubt, with the money FOX and NBC put up, that they don't have some sort of clause in their contracts for losing a large portion of the teams. Even if they don't, I wouldn't be surprised if they could somehow get it dumped in court.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Interesting read. About TV though - I don't think FOX and NBC are stupid. When ESPN renewed the Big East's TV contract last year they included stipulations that the contract would be renegotiated if certain teams left and terminated if another certain group of teams left. The SEC has a similar renegotiation provision with CBS and ESPN for expansion. I doubt, with the money FOX and NBC put up, that they don't have some sort of clause in their contracts for losing a large portion of the teams. Even if they don't, I wouldn't be surprised if they could somehow get it dumped in court.
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Yay Adam Alexander is going to the RTA.... Lol.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Interesting read. About TV though - I don't think FOX and NBC are stupid. When ESPN renewed the Big East's TV contract last year they included stipulations that the contract would be renegotiated if certain teams left and terminated if another certain group of teams left. The SEC has a similar renegotiation provision with CBS and ESPN for expansion. I doubt, with the money FOX and NBC put up, that they don't have some sort of clause in their contracts for losing a large portion of the teams. Even if they don't, I wouldn't be surprised if they could somehow get it dumped in court.
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performance clauses !
 
no clear cut power leverage in this deal .
both need each other w/ opm $ in short supply in both camps.....makin tv deal tha golden goose.

how owners get a franchise equity arrangement outa this .....w/o nascar givin up some of tha absolute power it's always had....is gonna be interestin.

btw....rta timing on this was on purpose.....long before 1st $ paid in '15 tv deal.
 
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Well, something is going to happen. It doesn't sound like Rob Kauffman is a bluffer. There are too many extremely successful businessmen involved in this alliance for it not to be for their benefit.
They might be fed up with Brian's BS rule changes every year. I think this alliance boils down to bargaining power for the super teams.
Brian France and NASCAR will cease to exist without the nine teams (so far) that form this alliance.
Brian France fell into the role of Mr. NASCAR. The team owners that belong to the alliance forged their own respective successes.
It will be interesting to see how this pans out.
 
BobbyFord said:
Well, something is going to happen. It doesn't sound like Rob Kauffman is a bluffer. There are too many extremely successful businessmen involved in this alliance for it not to be for their benefit.
They might be fed up with Brian's BS rule changes every year. I think this alliance boils down to bargaining power for the super teams.
Brian France and NASCAR will cease to exist without the nine teams (so far) that form this alliance.
Brian France fell into the role of Mr. NASCAR. The team owners that belong to the alliance forged their own respective successes.
It will be interesting to see how this pans out.
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I hope it's more about the bs rule and points changes and less about money.
 
DUN24 said:
I hope it's more about the bs rule and points changes and less about money.
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It may be about money, but that doesn't have to be a bad thing. Maybe its a larger chunk of the souvenir sales profits. Maybe it is part of the broadcast revenue.
Allenbaba's post on the souvenir sales was a bit of a surprise to me. I had no idea that France was that greedy.
NASCAR is Brian's sandbox. If the nine super teams decide they don't like how Brian is managing his sandbox and they voice their opinions, then I believe that Brian makes operational amends to satisfy the teams.
Without the big name draws, the sandbox will become a very lonely place. The teams are basically shareholders in NASCAR. I believe that they realize that, collectively, they are the majority shareholder. Most of those guys were around before Brian became the head of NASCAR. Maybe the RTA feels that Brian is mismanaging NASCAR and is making changes that are 12-4-A (actions detrimental to stockcar racing.) The teams have to recognize that attendance and viewer ratings are down. Maybe they feel that they need to step in and save the sport.
 
BobbyFord said:
It may be about money, but that doesn't have to be a bad thing. Maybe its a larger chunk of the souvenir sales profits. Maybe it is part of the broadcast revenue.
Allenbaba's post on the souvenir sales was a bit of a surprise to me. I had no idea that France was that greedy.
NASCAR is Brian's sandbox. If the nine super teams decide they don't like how Brian is managing his sandbox and they voice their opinions, then I believe that Brian makes operational amends to satisfy the teams.
Without the big name draws, the sandbox will become a very lonely place. The teams are basically shareholders in NASCAR. I believe that they realize that, collectively, they are the majority shareholder. Most of those guys were around before Brian became the head of NASCAR. Maybe the RTA feels that Brian is mismanaging NASCAR and is making changes that are 12-4-A (actions detrimental to stockcar racing.) The teams have to recognize that attendance and viewer ratings are down. Maybe they feel that they need to step in and save the sport.
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I'm all about ruffling Brian's feathers. Money is fine. But I would love it if racing was part of the equation. B France is SO 12-4-A!!!!!!
 
BobbyFord said:
Well, something is going to happen. It doesn't sound like Rob Kauffman is a bluffer. There are too many extremely successful businessmen involved in this alliance for it not to be for their benefit.
They might be fed up with Brian's BS rule changes every year. I think this alliance boils down to bargaining power for the super teams.
Brian France and NASCAR will cease to exist without the nine teams (so far) that form this alliance.
Brian France fell into the role of Mr. NASCAR. The team owners that belong to the alliance forged their own respective successes.
It will be interesting to see how this pans out.
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bluff is a great biz move sometimes. that's why they named it greenmail .
each gets what they want .......w/ no actual fight......just a few $$ 's change hands.
 
BobbyFord said:
It may be about money, but that doesn't have to be a bad thing. Maybe its a larger chunk of the souvenir sales profits. Maybe it is part of the broadcast revenue.
Allenbaba's post on the souvenir sales was a bit of a surprise to me. I had no idea that France was that greedy.
NASCAR is Brian's sandbox. If the nine super teams decide they don't like how Brian is managing his sandbox and they voice their opinions, then I believe that Brian makes operational amends to satisfy the teams.
Without the big name draws, the sandbox will become a very lonely place. The teams are basically shareholders in NASCAR. I believe that they realize that, collectively, they are the majority shareholder. Most of those guys were around before Brian became the head of NASCAR. Maybe the RTA feels that Brian is mismanaging NASCAR and is making changes that are 12-4-A (actions detrimental to stockcar racing.) The teams have to recognize that attendance and viewer ratings are down. Maybe they feel that they need to step in and save the sport.
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I think its ALL about money.
 
jws926 said:
Its always about the money , money fat bottomed girls makes the rockin' world go round
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Helton - "You know everything we know (about RTA)...we're gonna do business as usual, and everyone in the garage knows that.

Helton "we believe the way we've grown Motorsports has worked...we will stay the course on how we do business"

Helton: "We take input and make what we think are best decisions I sport."

Helton says: "We've got great respect for all or stakeholders." Any perception of "animosity is incorrect and unfortunate."

Helton "I caution everyone on the perception of things"

Helton: "We are not going to change the way we do business."

Helton asked if he considers RTA a union: "You know everything we know."

Helton said there has been no contact from RTA with NASCAR other then press release .. and they wont be appointing anyone to talk to them
 
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Helton "You know everything we know (about RTA)...we're gonna do business as usual, and everyone in the garage knows that. that's bull

Helton "we believe the way we've grown Motorsports has worked...we will stay the course on how we do business" our way or the highway

Helton: "We take input and make what we think are best decisions I sport." I REPEAT our way or the highway

Helton says: "We've got great respect for all or stakeholders." Any perception of "animosity is incorrect and unfortunate." respect,,<snork>

Helton "I caution everyone on the perception of things" And don't pay any attention to the guy behind the curtain

Helton: "We are not going to change the way we do business." Krist, for the third time, it's our way or the highway

Helton asked if he considers RTA a union: "You know everything we know." IF you believe this you must still believe in the Easter Bunny [/quote]
 
@nateryan

Jimmie Johnson says Hendrick drivers were briefed on the RTA at the beginning of the week. "That was the first I'd heard of it."

Jimmie Johnson says he will be paying a lot of attention to RTA developments because he loves NASCAR and wants the best for sport's future.

Jimmie Johnson says RTA is a good thing. Doesn't think it will drive a separation or a split.

Jimmie Johnson says much of conversation/perception about RTA or owners vs. NASCAR, but he notes that NASCAR trying to contain costs, too.

Jimmie Johnson hasn't given much thought to the drivers organizing an alliance, but the RTA has "shown the opportunity is there."

Jimmie Johnson: "I guess in some ways Pandora's box has been opened with this. We'll see where it leads." Again stresses it's good.
 
They don't need to bring NASCAR down in a flaming heap, just overhaul the whole damn thing and letting Brian go.
 
well, it give hope to those hoping for a change. There is going to be changes all right, but probably almost everybody will be pi$$ed off before long.
 
Revman said:
Why would all of the parties involve trust the guy that was part of a team that allegedly tried to screw the Chase?
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Probably because they would have done the same thing if they were in MWR's shoes. MWR didn't break any rules. They found a way to get their driver in the Chase using the points system available to them and got unfairly punished by NASCAR to set an example.
 
Speedbowl14 said:
http://www.nascar.com/en_us/news-me...tatement-at-new-hampshire-motor-speedway.html

He looks pissed and unwilling to negotiate. That's not good.
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That's his job, spin doctor. Hope your not expecting to get a accurate picture from him. They are being proactive and trying to spin it the way they want it to come out. Hopefully there will be something from the other side to see what is going on beside better hotel bills..If all it was about was that, what the heck is Helton yip yapping about?
 
It will be interesting to watch rules violations closely. nascar changed the appeal process and now have a bit more control over the outcome.

I can't express how happy i'll be if the RTA actually stands up to nascar and ISC. They always find a way to squeeze more bucks out for themselves. I wonder if them trying to mess with swag sales was the straw.
 
Marcingak said:
If anything I hope the RTA forces NASCAR to get rid of the chase format for next year.
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Have you not read anything regarding the purpose of the RTA?

And why would they get rid of something that has generated so much excitement and attention?
 
Marcingak said:
If anything I hope the RTA forces NASCAR to get rid of the chase format for next year.
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I don't know if that would be high on their list of priorities, but it wouldn't hurt my feelings any. Chase or no Chase, NASCAR takes a nose dive in TV ratings either way once the NFL season starts and I doubt things will be any different under the new format. I understand why the Chase was created, but it really hasn't accomplished what it was created to do.
 
To think about it, NASCAR shouldn't have exclusive rights on team gear. Oh yeah, that's right, they have ways to make you sign and agree with their terms.
 
DUN24 said:
Stealing that idea. I'll send you a cut when I print up 500 of em. ;)
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as long as you don't put nascar on them you might get away with it. They will jump down your throat with lawyers if they think you are making a penny off nascar.
 
StandOnIt said:
as long as you don't put nascar on them you might get away with it. They will jump down your throat with lawyers if they think you are making a penny off nascar.
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I'll say Brain France instead of Brian France, and the violation description says "actions detrimental to stock car racing", so we should be good. :D
 
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