The New Racing Team Alliance

Revman said:
Wondering how long it will take the drivers to get sick of the TV money going everywhere but to them.
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The drivers have nothing to complain about. They get milliions of dollars a year for simply driving a car. Anyone would gladly take their position even if it paid 1/10th of what they get paid now.
 
Marcingak said:
The drivers have nothing to complain about. They get milliions of dollars a year for simply driving a car. Anyone would gladly take their position even if it paid 1/10th of what they get paid now.
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This may be an issue the RTA will address. Lots of unsung heros in this sport like the guys back in the shops tearing down cars from the previous race and getting new cars built and equipment ready for the next one. These are the folks who mainly suffered pay cuts and layoffs shortly after the recession a few years ago taking it on the chin while most of the drivers emerged relatively unscathed. There are some who strongly believe it's now about time for drivers to begin contributing their share to the team's economic survival. NASCAR has always told folks "you need us more than we need you" however that may no longer be true. Top teams have enormous escalating costs which is a constant struggle to meet in a shrinking sponsor pool while NASCAR continues to make token changes which fail to produce the desired result. The RTA wants NASCAR to succeed but they also know If someone does not take the bull by the horns soon and make positive things for our sport begin to happen there may not be a NASCAR much longer.

It is interesting to read the long list of familiar company names who once sponsored and supported a team but have since abandoned them to become an official "this or that" of NASCAR. In case you always wondered why NASCAR has a large marketing division staffed by huge numbers of college kids fresh out of school perhaps it is because they are also in the business of enticing away your current sponsor into the NASCAR company portfolio, loyalty notwithstanding.
 
One thing I noticed about Helton's comments was that in the last 6 decades they listened to the stakeholders. Nascar has ruled with a iron fist since day 1. Cough <bullchit> Prior to his death Sr was the only one I remember who had the ballz to criticize nascar.
Group insurance, discounts on transportation and insurance are all valid points. So is a more equitable split of the TV money. And that's what this is about.
Call it what you will but lipstick on a pig is still a pig wearing lipstick
 
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Marcingak said:
The drivers have nothing to complain about. They get milliions of dollars a year for simply driving a car. Anyone would gladly take their position even if it paid 1/10th of what they get paid now.
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How much is NASCAR worth without them?
 
Marcingak said:
The drivers have nothing to complain about. They get milliions of dollars a year for simply driving a car. Anyone would gladly take their position even if it paid 1/10th of what they get paid now.
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Save your "workers of the world unite" bull****. There are maybe 25 men in the whole world qualified to drive a stock car at the highest level. They should be paid more.
 
racer8 said:
Probably the same amount the drivers are worth without Nascar,.........................................Not much.
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The amazing and wonderful "deserves to be out there" Morgan Shepherd would probably be done, but the best of the best drivers could probably find work in other forms of motorsport.
 
KevinWI said:
Save your "workers of the world unite" bull****. There are maybe 25 men in the whole world qualified to drive a stock car at the highest level. They should be paid more.
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paid millions of dollars in under a year to work 1 day a week? What a joke.

Dont even start with the danger issue. Normal civilian workers face more of a dangerous situation driving to work everyday in a normal off the lot car. The only people that deserve to be millionaires in that time frame for doing their jobs are the soldiers defending our freedoms by stepping forward in the face of bullets, mortars, missiles, mines, car bombs, & rocket propelled grenades.
 
Five days after its formation was announced, the Race Team Alliance is in the opening stage of expanding its membership beyond nine charter Sprint Cup teams.

RTA chairman Rob Kauffman said he's talked over the past few days with Tommy Baldwin, Tad Geschickter (JTG Daugherty Racing) and other owners of the smaller organizations in NASCAR's premier series. The RTA is open to any teams that attempted to qualify for at least 95% of Cup races the past two seasons.
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Among the first goals for the RTA, which has retained the international law firm Jones Day as its counsel, is identifying cost savings by pooling resources. Kauffman estimated that teams spend at least $50 million and as much as $100 million annually on travel.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ll-expand-to-small-sprint-cup-teams/12570099/
 
I refuse to be drawn into such a philistine argument.

Go watch two assholes paint street light poles if you don't want to watch millionaires race cars. Just because you can drive your **** Toyota down the highway doesn't mean that you can drive in NASCAR.

"The troops deserve to be millionaires?" What is this, Chex, 2003? Grow up. They're government employees. War has never been profitable for the common grunts.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
paid millions of dollars in under a year to work 1 day a week? What a joke.

Dont even start with the danger issue. Normal civilian workers face more of a dangerous situation driving to work everyday in a normal off the lot car. The only people that deserve to be millionaires in that time frame for doing their jobs are the soldiers defending our freedoms by stepping forward in the face of bullets, mortars, missiles, mines, car bombs, & rocket propelled grenades.
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The whole "soldiers deserve to be millionaires" talking point is a tired cliche that people bring out whenever people talk about athletes being overpaid. There are literally thousands of people who are enlisted right now, but maybe around 25 people who can drive a stock car at a higher level. The laws of supply and demand dictate that they make more. Salaries have NEVER been set based on the danger involved, unless said danger suppresses the supply of people who will work the job.

NASCAR drivers do far more than work one day a week. There's also practice and qualifying. Even outside of racing, they still have team meetings and testing sessions. There's far more that goes into driving a race car than showing up on Sunday and going fast.
 
Nobody *deserves* to be a millionaire. Cause deserves got nothing to do with it.
If, by some combination of luck and hard work, you have a set of skills and attributes that command a premium in the marketplace then you just might strike it rich. Good for you. The magic of supply and demand.
 
The Nature Boy said:
The whole "soldiers deserve to be millionaires" talking point is a tired cliche that people bring out whenever people talk about athletes being overpaid. There are literally thousands of people who are enlisted right now, but maybe around 25 people who can drive a stock car at a higher level. The laws of supply and demand dictate that they make more. Salaries have NEVER been set based on the danger involved, unless said danger suppresses the supply of people who will work the job.

NASCAR drivers do far more than work one day a week. There's also practice and qualifying. Even outside of racing, they still have team meetings and testing sessions. There's far more that goes into driving a race car than showing up on Sunday and going fast.
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Well you show me the video of family members crying with joy as their loved ones return from a busy race week and then you'll know which should be paid more for completing their job descriptions. Our national athletes entertain us, but they are certainly over paid for the amount of work they put in compared to the average civilian.

But, this is straying off topic.
 
w/ pause in cup schedule......this rta stuff oughta be hot topic for media next 1- 2 weeks !
 
KevinWI said:


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Thats more the face of "yay I see you every weekend and you've now made us more rich than we already were!"

Not so much the face of "I havent seen or heard from you in months and you've survived hell on earth, now we have to deal with the VA bull ****... but Im just happy you're home".

:D
 
ChexOrWrex said:
Thats more the face of "yay I see you every weekend and you've now made us more rich than we already were!"

Not so much the face of "I havent seen or heard from you in months and you've survived hell on earth, now we have to deal with the VA bull ****".

:D
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People who go work the oilfields on the North Slope of Alaska are away from their families for month at a time. You know, I was just up at my family's lake cottage in Northern Wisconsin for a week. EPA crap has hampered logging up there so there really isn't a lot of work for men up there. We stopped at a few of the supper clubs/taverns for adult beverages, and I swear, all the cute bartenders our age Checkers (women, obviously) all had boyfriends who had to take jobs in Oklahoma or Texas on the oilfields. They were all down there for six months, making as much money as they could, working up to 100 hours a week, then coming back to Northern Wisconsin for six months to their cute bartender girlfriends.

I don't remember why I brought that up. :confused:
 
KevinWI said:
People who go work the oilfields on the North Slope of Alaska are away from their families for month at a time. You know, I was just up at my family's lake cottage in Northern Wisconsin for a week. EPA crap has hampered logging up there so there really isn't a lot of work for men up there. We stopped at a few of the supper clubs/taverns for adult beverages, and I swear, all the cute bartenders our age Checkers (women, obviously) all had boyfriends who had to take jobs in Oklahoma or Texas on the oilfields. They were all down there for six months, making as much money as they could, working up to 100 hours a week, then coming back to Northern Wisconsin for six months to their cute bartender girlfriends.

I don't remember why I brought that up. :confused:
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tell 'em ....shorter trip these days .....ta n. dakota. ha!
 
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Jeff Gordon views RTA as more a team than owner alliance: "It's what is going to make the teams more efficient and more profitable."
 
If they hadn't told us, then we probably would have never known that RTA even exists. I don't think much will change that will be noticed by the fans. This was tried in Nhra and it didn't do squat.
 
racer8 said:
Probably the same amount the drivers are worth without Nascar,.........................................Not much.
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....and that's why Kyle Busch, Kez, etc. need to run the lower series. Let's put the NNS crew into Sprint tomorrow, and see what the numbers say.
 
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KevinWI said:
People who go work the oilfields on the North Slope of Alaska are away from their families for month at a time. You know, I was just up at my family's lake cottage in Northern Wisconsin for a week. EPA crap has hampered logging up there so there really isn't a lot of work for men up there. We stopped at a few of the supper clubs/taverns for adult and I swear, all the cute bartenders our age Checkers (women, obviously) all had boyfriends who had to take jobs in Oklahoma or Texas on the oilfields. They were all down there for six months, making as much money as they could, working up to 100 hours a week, then coming back to Northern Wisconsin for six months to their cute bartender girlfriends.

I don't remember why I brought that up. :confused:
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That sounds like a place for some easy pickens. Them poor sweet girls have to be getting a little lonely.;) "Disclaimer" I'm just joking...so i hope no one here gets offended.
 
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KevinWI said:
Save your "workers of the world unite" bull****. There are maybe 25 men in the whole world qualified to drive a stock car at the highest level. They should be paid more.
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KevinWI said:
Save your "workers of the world unite" bull****. There are maybe 25 men in the whole world qualified to drive a stock car at the highest level. They should be paid more.
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There are way more than 25 but they never catch the right breaks to turn their driving skill into a professional racing career. It takes money, luck, and having the right connections.. The drivers we have in NASCAR right now are not necessarily the best stock car drivers in the world. They are just the luckiest ones. Just look at Danica. She's one of the highest paid drivers but also unquestionably one of the worst drivers. Anyway this is getting off topic so I will just end it here.
 
looks like a bunch of Pockrass houie to me, no facts, he might as well post here with the rest of us, he has nothing but guesses. I saw Kauffman in an interview say they have hired a lawyer to make sure they don't violate anti trust laws.
 
The only way that Brian would feel comfortable with the RTA is if it was formed under NASCAR contract. Brian is worried because, for the first time in his reign as the head of NASCAR, another alliance shows serious relevancy. Brian cannot ignore the RTA without causing serious detriment to his bank account. Smartest thing that NASCAR team owners have done since the beginning of the sport.
 
NASCAR confirmed Wednesday that in a move they say is done for legal prudence and not as a sign of animosity, it has directed that all communication between NASCAR and the RTA be done through lawyers.

After the Sporting News published a column on the RTA Tuesday saying the development is a sign of an increased lack of trust between NASCAR and the teams and vice versa, Kauffman tweeted that ISC also has issued a lawyer-only edict.

NASCAR, which sanctions races and runs the series, is a private company owned by the France family, which also controls the majority of the publicly-traded stock of track-operating company ISC. They are no strangers to antitrust issues, having settled one antitrust lawsuit and won another in the last 10 years.

NASCAR uses the legal firm of Boies, Schiller & Flexner — well-known attorney David Boies (whose notable cases include representing Al Gore in his 2000 election challenge, the NFL in its lockout and the NBA Players Association when it was locked out) has represented NASCAR in its two major antitrust lawsuits as well as against NASCAR driver Jeremy Mayfield.

The RTA has hired the legal firm of Jones Day, which provides representation on financial issues to almost half of the Fortune 500 companies, such as its representing Reynolds American (R.J. Reynolds) in its acquisition of Lorillard announced Tuesday.

“We’re very careful with how we do things,” Kauffman said.

And they apparently need to be. Gary Roberts, a noted sports law expert and current professor at Indiana University, said last week that the organization could open itself up to a lawsuit depending on how it operates.

There is nothing wrong with the teams working together for better purchasing power as long as the people they purchase from are not dependent solely on NASCAR teams for their business.

The danger comes if the RTA represents the teams in any sort of negotiations with NASCAR and tries to use its collective leverage to force NASCAR’s hand.

More on this here.
 
Marcingak said:
The drivers have nothing to complain about. They get milliions of dollars a year for simply driving a car. Anyone would gladly take their position even if it paid 1/10th of what they get paid now.
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LOL...you have no idea what these guys do for their millions. Saying it's "simply driving a car" is fairly ignorant, don't you think?

Also, there are thousands and thousands of full time drivers at all levels trying to take their Cup rides every single day. 1/10th what they get paid?? Try FREE. Many would even PAY to drive these cars full time.

So... why aren't they? It's just "simply driving a car" right?
 
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