The New Racing Team Alliance

FenderBumper said:
If enough teams get together with their sponsors onboard, the ultimate threat is to bolt nascar and start their own series at new tracks. What if Bruton takes their side and goes with them?

I wonder how long it will take for the association to call out ISC and their crappy tracks that provide boring racing year after year, twice a year. In the end, I hope it breaks up the France family fiefdom and ISC BS.
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yeah boy.....a yr of racin on nothin but bruton's 8 tracks oughta bring tha crowds huh !
let's see .......4 races/ yr at each 1.5 track = 20 . "bruton's cookie cutter series " !
3 ea at bristol ...sonoma...nh = 9
3 at indy too ?
32 total.......teams still short 4 paycheck weekends. maybe just lay off folks for those 4 weeks ?
 
blanston said:
I've been coming to the board just to read updates to this thread since it started. I don't know why but things feel different already.
Nothing much has happened but it feels like something major is going on.
Maybe it'll peter out but it seems like **** is about to hit the fan.
It's skeery and exciting.
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just a chance for folks ta bash tha straw man on here ..........france family.
isc & nascar....still too strong for takeover ....even w/ rick / roger / rob $$.
maybe better owner leverage tho ?
 
hawg dawg said:
yeah boy.....a yr of racin on nothin but bruton's 8 tracks oughta bring tha crowds huh !
let's see .......4 races/ yr at each 1.5 track = 20 . "bruton's cookie cutter series " !
3 ea at bristol ...sonoma...nh = 9
3 at indy too ?
32 total.......teams still short 4 paycheck weekends. maybe just lay off folks for those 4 weeks ?
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Evergreen, Dover, Pocono, Indy, IRP, Memphis, Milwaukee, Nashville, Gateway, Portland, Mid-Ohio, Road America, et al...there are a lot of venues not owned by ISC or SMI that could be included.
 
Greg said:
How is Nascar and Brian any less flawed against the standards you are applying?

How is Nascar not the greedy hog. How much integrity and transpancy does Brian and Helton have, they cant even abide critical thinking.
What more does Brian need to do to convince you that he doesnt give a damn about racing, it is all aboout the supposed entitled money he can siphon off from his office.

He screws with the racing format constantly, he isnt a racer and he has no regard for the genuine product. And there are lots more grass root racers dreaming about racing a car with fenders on local tracks that will not let racing die. If this were to all go down, Brians greed and foolishness will be the catalyst, his idiocy will feed any mutiny that happens. The owners wouldnt take such a risk if they were not dealing with such a parasite.
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You know man, I can't argue with any of your points. I think where I am coming from is that if you have one such slimy body, fine--they call the shots. If you have two slimy bodies, the whole thing went bad, and is about to flop IMO.
 
hawg dawg said:
yeah boy.....a yr of racin on nothin but bruton's 8 tracks oughta bring tha crowds huh !
let's see .......4 races/ yr at each 1.5 track = 20 . "bruton's cookie cutter series " !
3 ea at bristol ...sonoma...nh = 9
3 at indy too ?
32 total.......teams still short 4 paycheck weekends. maybe just lay off folks for those 4 weeks ?
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I could live with 28 races at non-ISC tracks, which I think totals 12, if it leads to a system that is built to grow the sport in new markets and bring it back to more short tracks.
 
Revman said:
You know man, I can't argue with any of your points. I think where I am coming from is that if you have one such slimy body, fine--they call the shots. If you have two slimy bodies, the whole thing went bad, and is about to flop IMO.
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What the alliance intends on doing is yet to be seen. I dont think they are a current threat, even if more money is the goal a compromise could probably be arranged.

Long term it could lead to more power struggles, but that will probably take more time to materialize. It could lead to an eventual mutiny but I doubt it.

Even if they have serious future greviences I am thinking matters would be arbitratated in some form. Both sides have their lawyers and bean counters to neutralize matters. Along with the opportunities to gain, there is an incredible risk, I am not expecting rash knee jerk decisions.
 
Greg said:
What the alliance intends on doing is yet to be seen. I dont think they are a current threat, even if more money is the goal a compromise could probably be arranged.

Long term it could lead to more power struggles, but that will probably take more time to materialize. It could lead to an eventual mutiny but I doubt it.

Even if they have serious future greviences I am thinking matters would be arbitratated in some form. Both sides have their lawyers and bean counters to neutralize matters. Along with the opportunities to gain, there is an incredible risk, I am not expecting rash knee jerk decisions.
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I'm glad, and trust your analysis. I was a giant CART fan back in the day. Had about 10 great years at Portland International watching badass cars fly by. Loved it. Had a long time fan who sat next to me, and said this whole thing is going to ****. I didn't believe him. I was wrong. Miss it to this day, and I know PIR does too.
 
The Nature Boy said:
Iowa is owned by subsidiary of NASCAR so they're out. A night race at Myrtle Beach in the summer has the potential to draw big. You could also throw a race or two to Nashville.

Of course, this proposed series would give New Hampshire a virtual monopoly on the Northeast market.
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Myrtle Beach Speedway tore down half their grandstands.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Myrtle Beach Speedway tore down half their grandstands.
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If the supposed split happens, they would have to invest money to renovate a few tracks to make them Cup ready. North Wilkesboro, for obvious reasons and Myrtle Beach would have to be redone in a huge way. Does MB even have SAFER barriers?

EDIT - So as not to derail discussion, would a mod object to me starting a thread when we can hypothetically hash out a spinoff series? It could make for fun discussion.
 
The Nature Boy said:
If the supposed split happens, they would have to invest money to renovate a few tracks to make them Cup ready. North Wilkesboro, for obvious reasons and Myrtle Beach would have to be redone in a huge way. Does MB even have SAFER barriers?
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North Wilkesboro is done and over with. That track will never host another NASCAR race and will likely never host another race of any kind ever again. Give it a fucking rest.

Myrtle Beach does not have SAFER barriers.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Evergreen, Dover, Pocono, Indy, IRP, Memphis, Milwaukee, Nashville, Gateway, Portland, Mid-Ohio, Road America, et al...there are a lot of venues not owned by ISC or SMI that could be included.
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yeah.....lotsa tracks Could hold a race.
how many could pay current purse....insure.....etc ...etc ...etc.......
hardly see dover / pocono jumpin nascar ship either.
 
Very recent photos from North Wilkesboro Speedway:

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AndyMarquisLive said:
North Wilkesboro is done and over with. That track will never host another NASCAR race and will likely never host another race of any kind ever again. Give it a fucking rest.

Myrtle Beach does not have SAFER barriers.
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Hey, hey I have no dog in the fight when it comes to North Wilkesboro. It's just an option that I thought of.

And the biggest issue with hosting a race for ANY track would be installing SAFER barriers and extra seating. SAFER isn't cheap.
 
FenderBumper said:
I could live with 28 races at non-ISC tracks, which I think totals 12, if it leads to a system that is built to grow the sport in new markets and bring it back to more short tracks.
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just for fun.....what's tha schedule you'd have ?
 
A split from NASCAR would be absolutely disaterous for stock car racing. Hopefully that is not something being considered.

I would much rather see idiot Brian France forced out and his damage to NASCAR reversed. This alliance should try to strengthen NASCAR, not ruin it.

That said, this news gives us hope that the disgusting Chase will be reversed. I bet this alliance makes NASCAR / France real nervous. :)
 
OK, so maybe this is more than sharing expenses. But really, a split from NASCAR? Running France out with an angry mob behind him? Bringing back tracks that haven't hosted races in the 21st century? This is crazy talk! This isn't gonna end up like the CART/USAC/IRL ordeal/split. Nascar is 10x bigger and 10x harder to split. You've got many more teams, many times more fans, and a lot more money involved. TV partners, drivers, teams, media, fans- all would have to choose sides. This would essentially cannibalize the sport. You think this RTA would choose to do that?

I think you're all jumping the gun.
 
hawg dawg said:
yeah.....lotsa tracks Could hold a race.
how many could pay current purse....insure.....etc ...etc ...etc.......
hardly see dover / pocono jumpin nascar ship either.
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Get the right people involved and it could work. Penske used to own Nazareth and Rockingham before ISC left them for dead and he also owned Michigan and Fontana. Why would Dover and Pocono want to host a shell of a series?
 
funny how times change .
in late 90's .....after bruton's ipo .....big expansion program....humpy said this in interview.
paraphrased........ "our goal is building a business....they...isc ....are bldg a sport ".

slow growth isc began expansion soon after then.
 
Speedbowl14 said:
Nascar is 10x bigger and 10x harder to split. You've got many more teams, many times more fans, and a lot more money involved. TV partners, drivers, teams, media, fans- all would have to choose sides.
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CART's broadcast TV ratings in 1995 weren't that much different from NASCAR's today.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Get the right people involved and it could work. Penske used to own Nazareth and Rockingham before ISC left them for dead and he also owned Michigan and Fontana. Why would Dover and Pocono want to host a shell of a series?
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" shell game " would be more apt......w/ new rta series dreamie.
penske sold tracks at top $ ! good biz move. think he wants back in now....w/ no growth in sight ?

ain't no due diligence honcho today would advise split ......makes no $ sense for either party.

isc & smi have over $ 1 billion revenues / yr.....which covers expenses.....maybe 10 % net.
team owners in similar boat.....sponsors cover exp ....etc. ......small net.
enter fox / nbc w/ $820 mill / yr .....split amoung "stakeholders " after nascar expenses.
hhhhmmm........... gravy.....already got overhead covered.
what would you do ?

36 races provide 36 raceday paydays ta all teams.....employees .
cut that by 8 ....10 ....12 races = that much payroll loss.
could any of ya get by w/ that many lost paychecks / yr ?
 
hawg dawg said:
" shell game " would be more apt......w/ new rta series dreamie.
penske sold tracks at top $ ! good biz move. think he wants back in now....w/ no growth in sight ?

ain't no due diligence honcho today would advise split ......makes no $ sense for either party.

isc & smi have over $ 1 billion revenues / yr.....which covers expenses.....maybe 10 % net.
team owners in similar boat.....sponsors cover exp ....etc. ......small net.
enter fox / nbc w/ $820 mill / yr .....split amoung "stakeholders " after nascar expenses.
hhhhmmm........... gravy.....already got overhead covered.
what would you do ?

36 races provide 36 raceday paydays ta all teams.....employees .
cut that by 8 ....10 ....12 races = that much payroll loss.
could any of ya get by w/ that many lost paychecks / yr ?
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No one is advising a split, but that's typically how this kind of thing devolves over a period of time.

The biggest issue is going to be about splitting the TV revenue. 10% goes to NASCAR, 25% goes to teams, 65% goes to the tracks (over half of which are ISC-owned). I can't imagine the team owners being content to watch Bruton and the France family walk away with more TV money than them year after year. Lord knows Bruton Smith and the France family aren't ones to concede easily.
 
FLRacingFan said:
No one is advising a split, but that's typically how this kind of thing devolves over a period of time.

The biggest issue is going to be about splitting the TV revenue. 10% goes to NASCAR, 25% goes to teams, 65% goes to the tracks (over half of which are ISC-owned). I can't imagine the team owners being content to watch Bruton and the France family walk away with more TV money than them year after year. Lord knows Bruton Smith and the France family aren't ones to concede easily.
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no split ......w/ all them potential tracks ya listed ?

owner 25% is gravy.......will they ask for more ? prolly.

purses may become issue ?
 
hawg dawg said:
no split ......w/ all them potential tracks ya listed ?

owner 25% is gravy.......will they ask for more ? prolly.
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Speculation is part of the fun.

I can't see 25% really being all that much. I don't know for sure but that probably pales in comparison to the cut in other sports.
 
FenderBumper said:
I could live with 28 races at non-ISC tracks, which I think totals 12, if it leads to a system that is built to grow the sport in new markets and bring it back to more short tracks.
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Problem is, it woudlnt be 28 races, it would be 16 races we would be left with when you take away the ISC tracks , right now 20 of the 36 PPR's are at ISC owned tracks

Auto Club Speedway -1
Chicagoland Speedway -1
Darlington Raceway -1
Daytona International Speedway -2
Homestead-Miami Speedway -1
Kansas Speedway -2
Martinsville Speedway -2
Michigan International Speedway-2
Phoenix International Raceway -2
Richmond International Raceway -2
Talladega Superspeedway -2
Watkins Glen International-2
 
jws926 said:
Problem is, it woudlnt be 28 races, it would be 16 races we would be left with when you take away the ISC tracks , right now 20 of the 36 PPR's are at ISC owned tracks

Auto Club Speedway -1
Chicagoland Speedway -1
Darlington Raceway -1
Daytona International Speedway -2
Homestead-Miami Speedway -1
Kansas Speedway -2
Martinsville Speedway -2
Michigan International Speedway-2
Phoenix International Raceway -2
Richmond International Raceway -2
Talladega Superspeedway -2
Watkins Glen International-2
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jw----no good racin at these tracks ! :sarcasm:

that'd be 20 less paychecks/ wk per yr too.
 
jws926 said:
Problem is, it woudlnt be 28 races, it would be 16 races we would be left with when you take away the ISC tracks , right now 20 of the 36 PPR's are at ISC owned tracks

Auto Club Speedway -1
Chicagoland Speedway -1
Darlington Raceway -1
Daytona International Speedway -2
Homestead-Miami Speedway -1
Kansas Speedway -2
Martinsville Speedway -2
Michigan International Speedway-2
Phoenix International Raceway -2
Richmond International Raceway -2
Talladega Superspeedway -2
Watkins Glen International-2
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You're forgetting the part about adding new tracks. Also, some of the non-ISC tracks would be bumped from 1 race a year to 2. Also, WG doesn't have 2 races.
 
FenderBumper said:
You're forgetting the part about adding new tracks. Also, some of the non-ISC tracks would be bumped from 1 race a year to 2. Also, WG doesn't have 2 races.
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Consider that a typo on adding a second date to WG:mad: , and I am not really forgetting anything, I was just saying how many tracks and races are made up of ISC owned race tracks , and simply stating that if you remove all the ISC tracks, you are left a 16 race schedule if you use the current 2014 schedule;).

That leads us this, what tracks could we add, that are up to date to the current safety standards and have plenty of seating , not counting road course, but oval tracks, any shape, or size ?
 
The 25% owners share is not a very equitable distribution when you consider the split to each owner compared to the 75% to NASCAR times the number of ISC tracks. Consider this; NASCAR could possibly buy Indy with TV money while the team owners do all the heavy lifting for television.
 
Tsar Nicholas

PeopleAreStrange said:
I would much rather see idiot Brian France forced out and his damage to NASCAR reversed. This alliance should try to strengthen NASCAR, not ruin it.

That said, this news gives us hope that the disgusting Chase will be reversed. I bet this alliance makes NASCAR / France real nervous. :)
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But you can't just depose a self celebrated entitled birth righted monarch.

My reasonable alternative would be execution. I would not want to use the barbaric methods that were applied to Tsar Nicholas. I would honor Brian with a PPV hanging or guillotine and have 75% of the revenues going to ISC along with most of the souvenir profits.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Very recent photos from North Wilkesboro Speedway:

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With todays Asphalt contractor and painting technology all they has to do is call one. Plus with all the Wilksboro moonshine around they probably have the best local painting contractors in the world at their disposal.
They will come out pour it, and paint it all up all like new.
Rick probably has a girl in the office that knows just who to call.
And she probably isnt dumb enough to
call the concrete contractors.

Wilksboro had some good bleachers that Bruton probably pillaged years ago. But word has it that he has plenty of like new almost virgin bleachers to sale. Perhaps they could be finally used for something worthwhile.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
North Wilkesboro is done and over with. That track will never host another NASCAR race and will likely never host another race of any kind ever again. Give it a fucking rest.

Myrtle Beach does not have SAFER barriers.
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Disagree to a point, IF a split were to occur and a new series could not race at ISC tracks until things are ironed out, the new series would have to go after more than just the current active non ISC tracks. NW and Rockingham very well could play a part in that. NW needs work, but it could be done.

And I'll tell you this, there are A LOT of people here that would line up to buy NW tickets, count me as one.
 
I wonder if everyone else in the racing world is also reading a whole lot into this alliance.

The guy behind this is no dummy who just fell off the turnip truck. He may not be born into the racing world, but he's smart enough to
have made an impact on the business world. I also think he's smart enough to realize the tragedy that happened when
Indy cars made the split and never recovered. I also think the partners in this alliance don't want that tragedy happening to them.

My attitude about this --- wait and see what shakes out over the next year, or so.
 
I dont care much about France, the manufacturers or sponsors being included or not. I care more if the fans are being included. Will the RTA incorporate more fan feedback into their decisions? Over the past decade NASCAR has shown it doesnt give two ****s about fan feedback & ratings & race attendance are the proof.
 
jws926 said:
Consider that a typo on adding a second date to WG:mad: , and I am not really forgetting anything, I was just saying how many tracks and races are made up of ISC owned race tracks , and simply stating that if you remove all the ISC tracks, you are left a 16 race schedule if you use the current 2014 schedule;).

That leads us this, what tracks could we add, that are up to date to the current safety standards and have plenty of seating , not counting road course, but oval tracks, any shape, or size ?
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Why did you say it wouldn't be 28 races? Because you forgot a few details. :D

Re-read what I originally said so you understand what I said. :)

All the rest is called planning. Roger Penske once owned a bunch of race tracks, which ISC bought. He knows how it works. Point is, nascar's attitude of 'you need us, we don't need you' could need a reality check before things change.
 
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