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Ladies ....please . Not being openly critical to the media of the company that employs you is pretty standard stuff . The company welcomes comments and suggestions to them . Anyone who doesn't want to work there can always try MacDonalds or Walmart . , but I'm not sure that they are very tolerant of this type of behaviour . Geesh , get a grip.
 
If an employee of mine openly talks negatively about "anything" concerning my company he/she is instantly unemployed.
 
When Tony Stewart stood up and criticized the tire issues I respected him. If a driver is not able to speak there mind, and we hear this with many different situations, then they as a person blend in with the rest. I want a driver that has the cajones to speak his mind and stand his ground.
 
Whiskyb said:
When Tony Stewart stood up and criticized the tire issues I respected him. If a driver is not able to speak there mind, and we hear this with many different situations, then they as a person blend in with the rest. I want a driver that has the cajones to speak his mind and stand his ground.
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One of the reasons why I like Brad K.
Tony forced a driver below the line and won the race because of it.
When Carl tried the same stunt on Brad, Carl went for a ride. It helped that he asked his boss Junior before the race if he could do that.
 
Brads does speak his mind ( Kyle Busch is an ass, comes to mind) but his mind is not always worth quoting.
 
Johali said:
If an employee of mine openly talks negatively about "anything" concerning my company he/she is instantly unemployed.
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Are those young ladies that recline on the deck of your boat ...employees?
 
SpeedPagan said:
I think that's what we need today, someone whose not afraid to stand up to Brian France, no matter how much he whines and stomps his feet.
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Good point. Wonder if Brian would have the balls to fine JR if he came out and said something....
 
DanicaFreak said:
Good point. Wonder if Brian would have the balls to fine JR if he came out and said something....
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OMG , for Pete sake , Brian would be happy for Junior (or any other Nascar person) to bring his thoughts, complaints , suggestions , beefs , whatever to the Nascar office in person , in writing or any other way . Any grown up knows that you bring this stuff to management . If you have no balls or you are a complete child , you vent to the media .Dale Sr was a fixture in the Nascar front office but I never saw him whine to reporters.
 
Ted--if Brian were a regular boss, yes....but he seems more like a tyrant than a boss. Maybe Im wrong--I hope so for racing's sake
 
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I saw Dale pretty mad a few times and he wasn't pleasant.

I wonder how many drivers go to the office for discussions? There is a rule that if you finish in the top 3 you have no choice but do an interview.
How do you get reporters to act civil?
 
In spite of your personal feelings about Brian France , Nascar's relationship with it's driver's is not an adversarial one . There is a free and open discussion on many levels . I could give you a hundred examples of Nascar hiring ex drivers and crew chiefs to help keep the lines of communication open . Dale Sr and Mike Helton never stopped talking , they were best friends . Next time there is a rain delay , watch the television and see who makes the call if it is safe to go back racing . Drivers whining to the media instead of to Nascar is unprofessional and childish .
 
ted@economy said:
In spite of your personal feelings about Brian France , Nascar's relationship with it's driver's is not an adversarial one . There is a free and open discussion on many levels . I could give you a hundred examples of Nascar hiring ex drivers and crew chiefs to help keep the lines of communication open . Dale Sr and Mike Helton never stopped talking , they were best friends . Next time there is a rain delay , watch the television and see who makes the call if it is safe to go back racing . Drivers whining to the media instead of to Nascar is unprofessional and childish .
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I have to say that I thought that I was on an island here for a while. Great to see that there is someone else in this board that gets it.

I'm mobile now so you get this sentence in place of where my 'thumbs up', animated Chuck Norris would be. :D
 
ted@economy said:
In spite of your personal feelings about Brian France , Nascar's relationship with it's driver's is not an adversarial one . There is a free and open discussion on many levels . I could give you a hundred examples of Nascar hiring ex drivers and crew chiefs to help keep the lines of communication open . Dale Sr and Mike Helton never stopped talking , they were best friends . Next time there is a rain delay , watch the television and see who makes the call if it is safe to go back racing . Drivers whining to the media instead of to Nascar is unprofessional and childish .
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Everyone likes to bag on the boss. I will say this, NASCAR is one place where in the boss's office you can get REAL mad and they will not fire you, for the most part.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
What Brian France had to say is really no different than just about any other major sport. We've see players from the NFL, NBA, & MLB fined in the past for speaking out about their sport. It doesn't make any more sense for NASCAR to tolerate it more then any other sport IMO.
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Yea, well I don't think what the other sports do is a good thing either.

ted@economy said:
In spite of your personal feelings about Brian France , Nascar's relationship with it's driver's is not an adversarial one . There is a free and open discussion on many levels . I could give you a hundred examples of Nascar hiring ex drivers and crew chiefs to help keep the lines of communication open . Dale Sr and Mike Helton never stopped talking , they were best friends . Next time there is a rain delay , watch the television and see who makes the call if it is safe to go back racing . Drivers whining to the media instead of to Nascar is unprofessional and childish .
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So basically you can criticize things privately, but not publically. Still, I don't think that should be "illegal" under NASCAR's rule system. I actually think that if a driver publically made scathing remarks about the sport, and a bunch of people on an online forum thread agreed, it might actually pressure Brian France and the head honchos to change things. So no, I don't think an adversarial relationship is necessarily a bad thing. A big-name race car driver gets a lot more publicity, and has a lot bigger influence than your average part-time minimum wage worker at McDonald's, so I also don't think it's exactly the same as that.
 
Everyone likes to bag on the boss. I will say this, NASCAR is one place where in the boss's office you can get REAL mad and they will not fire you, for the most part.
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NASCAR can't fire a driver because they are independent contractors - but they can fine you. I can understand a driver blowing off steam but biting the hand that feeds you seems pretty stupid to me.
 
I'd like to add, that even if none of the drivers want to publicly criticize the sport, cause they don't think it would do any good, that doesn't necessarily mean they shouldn't be allowed to do so.

Just because what certain have to say is childish doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to say it out loud, and just because no one wants to say anything childish doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to, either.

And I don't think this decision is a first amendment issue.
 
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Just look at the revolving doors of the NASCAR title sponsorship since the son took office. By my count that's now 4 big name sponsoriship that have come and walked away from NASCAR in a 10 year period.
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Not to support Brian in any way, but I think the economy has more to do with that than anything else. Sears / Craftsman is in the dumpster. Nextel was swallowed up by Sprint, who isn't doing as well as its competition.

I'm with you on your other points.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Not to support Brian in any way, but I think the economy has more to do with that than anything else. Sears / Craftsman is in the dumpster. Nextel was swallowed up by Sprint, who isn't doing as well as its competition.

I'm with you on your other points.
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Well, the recession is over, right?
 
Pete:Team Penske said:
One of the reasons why I like Brad K.
Tony forced a driver below the line and won the race because of it.
When Carl tried the same stunt on Brad, Carl went for a ride. It helped that he asked his boss Junior before the race if he could do that.
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Wasn't he racing for James Finch, not Junior?
 
Reminds me of Big bills threat to ban drivers who joined a drivers union.
 
SpeedPagan said:
Oh pish-posh, everyone's been claiming that NASCAR is doomed ever since Bill France Sr. started the organization.
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At least when Sr and Jr ran the organization tv ratings were high and the track seats were filled. Since Brian has taken the reins things have steadily turned downward. Lets see how many fannies are in the seats, and what the television ratings are in 2015.
 
Woody8318 said:
At least when Sr and Jr ran the organization tv ratings were high and the track seats were filled. Since Brian has taken the reins things have steadily turned downward. Lets see how many fannies are in the seats, and what the television ratings are in 2015.
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Yea, but you're forgetting to factor in the Great Recession that occurred that undoubtedly has affected the sport.
 
Whiskyb said:
When Tony Stewart stood up and criticized the tire issues I respected him. If a driver is not able to speak there mind, and we hear this with many different situations, then they as a person blend in with the rest. I want a driver that has the cajones to speak his mind and stand his ground.
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I agree totally.
 
SpeedPagan said:
Yea, but you're forgetting to factor in the Great Recession that occurred that undoubtedly has affected the sport.
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Yep, but the recession should not have had any effect on watching the races on television, so why do the ratings keep going down. And don't forget about JJ winning so many championships like he did. Got to take that into effect as well. The CoT was no gem either. Brought terrible racing.
 
Woody8318 said:
Yep, but the recession should not have had any effect on watching the races on television, so why do the ratings keep going down. And don't forget about JJ winning so many championships like he did. Got to take that into effect as well. The CoT was no gem either. Brought terrible racing.
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Johnson did win five in a row, but he wasn't winning every race. Him and Knaus was just the first one to figure out how to win in The Chase era of NASCAR. However, it seems like the rest of the field is finally catching up, so while I can see Johnson ticking off one or two more Championships win, I doubt he'll ever win five in a row again.

As for the CoT, no disagreement here.
 
I wonder how the brain would take Dale Sr's comment today about plate racing and tying kerosene soaked rags around ankles so ants don't crawl up and eat their candy ass would go over?
 
Woody8318 said:
Yep, but the recession should not have had any effect on watching the races on television, so why do the ratings keep going down.
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Cox cable moved speed and fuel to higher tiers, cha ching. Then the recession and unemployment set in so cable got disconnected. I saw car counts at local tracks start to diminish, guys paying mortgages, rent, food bills instead of putting that $ into a race car.
The younger crowd doesn't appear to have the same enthusiasm that many of us older guys had and many of us still have. I don't play video games, I don't need a bazillion jigawatt computer. But many in the younger crowd would be lost without one to play games or a smart phone. wifi.
Take texting away and most of the younger crowd couldn't communicate. KWIM? LOL, BRB..........
 
Bobw said:
Cox cable moved speed and fuel to higher tiers, cha ching. Then the recession and unemployment set in so cable got disconnected. I saw car counts at local tracks start to diminish, guys paying mortgages, rent, food bills instead of putting that $ into a race car.
The younger crowd doesn't appear to have the same enthusiasm that many of us older guys had and many of us still have. I don't play video games, I don't need a bazillion jigawatt computer. But many in the younger crowd would be lost without one to play games or a smart phone. wifi.
Take texting away and most of the younger crowd couldn't communicate. KWIM? LOL, BRB..........
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Agree, the younger crowd just aren't into cars...You can probably blame technology for that...It's hard just to change the oil on some vehicles!!!!
 
I don't think it's fair to say that the younger crowd is more into their XBoxes and computer games and their iPhones etc. more than they're into cars. I don't think that's where the problem is. I mean have you seen how popular those Fast and Furious movies are? Or how popular games like Need for Speed are? There are tons of racing games on Steam and for the XBox.

Honestly the problem is that NASCAR was originally about racing the family sedan, and for awhile that worked because most of NASCAR fans were family men and they enjoyed seeing their car out on the track. Nowadays though, family sedans are seen as boring. I mean the Ford Fusion, Toyota Camry, Chevy SS, ****** yawn.

Take those boring-ass family sedans out and put in the Ford Mustang, the Chevy Camaro, Toyota doesn't have a performance car, so I guess they're stuck with the Camry.

My point is, take out the boring sedans, put in the muscle cars and watch people flood to see cars race that were meant for racing.
 
Or along the same lines as above... If Honda and Volkswagon were racing many of those kids would be all over Nascar. The import tuner rage and drifting are sold out weekends at some events. Our local dragstrip has import only days.
I agree with the above post, the kids dont want to be seen cheering on a camry, fusion or ss for that matter
 
While other racing series like TUDOR focus on sports cars, I think NASCAR could really do well for itself by focusing on muscle cars! Give me a line-up of 43 muscle cars every weekend and I will buy season tickets so that I can attend every ******* race! Hel, even Toyota would develop a muscle car if they saw an improvement in on-track attendance and TV ratings going up.
 
It isn't a typical buisness, microphones are shoved in the drivers faces constantly. The top five have to do the post race press conference yip yap. The yip yap expectations are so high that Kyle Busch gets snarked for not doing an interview in the toughest of times.

But all of the yapping is hollow, and you should expect to get more honest thought from a pull string barbie doll. Might as well lump the reporters along with the Barbie Dolls. Because if their tongue doesn't smell like Brian's *** there will be severe repercussions.

Thanks Brian, for making drivers that once we're considered rugged, look like a bunch of well kept women or lackies.

No need to tune in until the green drops, and after the final run down is posted, unless you are into bull**** puppet shows.
 
Go ask someone running a entry level formula four or hobby stock what it costs before they turned their very first lap.
The days of yanking a car out of the junkyard and stripping it are long, long gone. Track registrations and licenses for all crew members can get spendy. Racing wheels especially one for the right front, drivers seat, roll cage, fuel cell, drivers suit and helmet.
5 years ago I hit 10 grand off the top of my head before my kid and his buddy said no way, that's nuts. And I already had a truck and access to a trailer to haul it.
To win 50 bucks?

I just looked at a local tracks roster from last year. Lots of names of those I knew from 10 years ago are missing and giving the benefit of the doubt compared to before there's only about 2/3's of the number of cars listed.
 
Bobw said:
Cox cable moved speed and fuel to higher tiers, cha ching. Then the recession and unemployment set in so cable got disconnected. I saw car counts at local tracks start to diminish, guys paying mortgages, rent, food bills instead of putting that $ into a race car.
The younger crowd doesn't appear to have the same enthusiasm that many of us older guys had and many of us still have. I don't play video games, I don't need a bazillion jigawatt computer. But many in the younger crowd would be lost without one to play games or a smart phone. wifi.
Take texting away and most of the younger crowd couldn't communicate. KWIM? LOL, BRB..........
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the NEW GENERATION.......

Personally speaking, I don't mind being the only 18 year old that enjoys NASCAR Racing. It's never really been a social thing for me, I usually just watch on TV. I've never been to an actual race in my life. And I don't have that many friends; I don't text that much, so it actually took me some time to figure out what "KWIM" stood for.

Just saying, cause it makes me feel awkward when people start talking about "the new generation" in us-and-them terms, and I'm not exactly what you expect from "the new generation". It's like when anyone hears stereotypes about their type of people that aren't necessarily true.
 
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Bucky Badger said:
Agree, the younger crowd just aren't into cars...You can probably blame technology for that...It's hard just to change the oil on some vehicles!!!!
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My experience is the opposite. I know all kinds of young people that do a lot of car mods. The problem is that NASCAR isn't into the younger generation.
 
Bucky Badger said:
Agree, the younger crowd just aren't into cars...You can probably blame technology for that...It's hard just to change the oil on some vehicles!!!
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I doubt the majority of people don't go on "the Facebook", and "the Twitter", and take selfies when they would actually be working on cars. There's probably a kernel of truth to what you're saying, but when the actual people who are doing car mods probably think it's silly when you say that that sort of thing speaks for "the entire generation". Not that that's what you think.

By the way, I never play video games anymore.
 
Almost all of my peers who I know are interested in racing are engineering majors and they're more interested in open wheel racing and sports car racing than something like NASCAR that isn't very appealing technologically.
 
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